CDing in the military?

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Originally Posted by Katie B

Well, from reading the other posts here ... it seems to me that nobody should go into the military!

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Having served and proudly worn the uniform of my country, I strongly, adamantly disagree with this statement.

Carl Schurz, a U.S. immigrant from Germany who became a senator from Missouri, was Secretary of the Interior for four years, and was a general for the Union army during the American Civil War said ""My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right."

Nobody's country is perfect. Hatred is everywhere. We do not stamp out hatred and ignorance by walking away in fear or loathing ourselves, but by participating, by helping to steer, by encouraging reform. Sometimes this reform comes in baby steps, sometimes in great leaps. We do not set to right what is wrong by walking away from it. Doing so does nothing but allow the problem to persist.

For those of us who took the oath, there's a reason we serve(d). Those reasons are varied and cover a broad spectrum of interests, opinions and desires. For my part, I am glad to have served in a military that is not accepting of transgenderism because that same military defends the freedoms of people in my country. These freedoms permit so many of us here on this forum to freely express ourselves as our femme selves without fear of repercussions from the law.

It is not illegal for anyone to wear a dress, pantyhose, heels, wig and makeup in this country regardless of what sex you were born as. The military we might deride for discriminating against transgendered individuals is the same military that defends that freedom to dress as we like.

Our country is the great experiment in freedom. We are a work in progress. God helps us if we ever STOP being a work in progress.

Lest we forget: If it wasn't for the Americans, of every sexual persuasion, who did go in the military, the French would be speaking German, regardless of the clothes they wear.

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Originally Posted by Katie B

But other posters here are accusing the military of being "brutal" and "rabidly" and violently anti-gay and anti-CD. So how about addressing that?

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How about "It's true"?

Doesn't make me any less proud to have served. I served my country, not the military per se.

GIrls,
I didn't mean to cause such a hullabaloo, but i consider this a serious topic and figured this forum would be a valid place for discussion. I have been active for ten years now, and have seen the full spectrum of treatment of those with alternative lifestyles from blatant acceptance to pure hat and violence. I know better than to try to come out while i'm active, and i excersize discretion when i dress. I don't do it here, and won't be going out when i get home untill i get out at the end of the year. I am a solid patriot, and i am proud of the time i have served, i agree that we are a work in progress, and with continued promting and guidence, americans as a whole will eventually become a more accepting and understanding country.
Kisses,
Jordyn

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Originally Posted by VtVicky

Lest we forget: If it wasn't for the Americans, of every sexual persuasion, who did go in the military, the French would be speaking German, regardless of the clothes they wear.

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No question we made a significant contribution there, but in deference to our members from Great Britain, Canada, Australia, Russia, and many other countries, lets not forget that we didn't do it alone. A lot of good people from a lot of nations fought and died to bring freedom back to those that had lost it.

Yes I do think they should be able to serve in the military. And I thank and salute every man and womam who is or has served.You and all who have served A very big THANK YOU. I'm be proud to call you my friend.:hugs:
Angie

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Originally Posted by TxKimberly

No question we made a significant contribution there, but in deference to our members from Great Britain, Canada, Australia, Russia, and many other countries, lets not forget that we didn't do it alone. A lot of good people from a lot of nations fought and died to bring freedom back to those that had lost it.

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Kimberly,

You are correct that we were not alone, but if you also remember, before the US got involved in Europe, Germany was almost the entire continent of Europe. The French, Polish, Austrians, had fallen, and the English were not too far behind. We assisted them with ships and arms but the German U-Boats were devastating the shipping lanes. The tide turned against the Germans at Normandy. ;)

Now, back on topic. I served in the United States Air Force, and when my first wife outed me to my First Seargent, let's just say things got messy for me. I managed to make it through that nightmare and get back my Top Secret clearance and continued my term without incident. My dressing was done MOSTLY at home in private. I did underdress (panties and pantyhose), but only occasionally. Proud to have served? You bet your butts I am. Would I serve again? In a New York Minute.

Kandis:love::rose2:

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Originally Posted by KandisTX

The tide turned against the Germans at Normandy. ;)

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Surely the tide started to turn first, in N.Africa & Italy? US troops were involved in both those theatres..

But many in the US don't seem to be aware that there were five landing beaches in Normandy - and that US forces only landed at two of them? That's why they were called 'Allied' landings.. :sad:

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Originally Posted by Katie B

it seems to me that nobody should go into the military!

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But an awful lot of us do... (My experience would be at least 25% of us have served, at one time or another.) It seems to go together, consciously or unconsciously, with trying to prove our 'manliness'? :idontknow:

Armed Forces tend to be a microcosm of the country they belong to, don't they? :strugglin Gays do now serve in the UK and I know three serving TSs. I've also known two who served while dressing openly part-time..

But energies have to be focussed on one thing, when you're in an active AO?

I'm proud to serve in the U.S. military its been a pretty good job to me for many years, I just wish I'd taken more advantage of the opportunities the military offers.

With that being said after a life time of suppressing my true nature and playing the proper male role I find it increasing difficult to continue. I've grown to hate the military for forcing me to continue with my charades. I know it's not the military fault it's just easier to blame them for their closed minded policies then to take ownership of the blame myself. I wish I could roll back time and take advantage of those opportunities I talked about and gotten out tens years ago, but I can't and with only three years left till retirement I'd be an idiot to separate now, no matter how miserable its making me. Sorry about going off in my self pity rant.

As I said I'm proud to have served, I'd be even more so if they would accept us as we are!

I recently retired after almost 30 years in the military. I will say that I never went to work dressed as a woman but that doesn't mean I never dressed. You have to be a little more discrete.
There are rule and regulations that for better or worse can be used to punish you if caught. That is the military and we all new that when we enlisted.

I have to strongly disagree with Katie's statement. The brutality against gays and TG's in the military mirrors that of the civilian world. I have a couple friends that new and never thought a thing about it thee were others that would not have handled it so well....but the same is true of the rest of the world.

I would say if you are in the military and a CDer just be smart about it. That applies everywhere actually. Trust me if you were a school teacher and went to work dressed you are going to have some angry parents at school the next day

Some clarification here.

There were more casualties at Omaha beach (U.S.) than all the other landing sites combined.

And dear Katie, if nobody joined the military, you would now be wearing a swastika on your pretty panties and probably a serial number tattooed on your arm.
That is, if the Reich hadn't already taken you to the showers for the clothes that you wear.

I might also add that Christine Jorgenson was born of the military after world war II.
Look her up. She caused quite the fuss in the postwar U.S. and around the world.
I wonder if she wore panties under her uniform?

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Originally Posted by Shari

There were more casualties at Omaha beach (U.S.) than all the other landing sites combined.

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Indeed - and do you know why? :(


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Originally Posted by Nicki B

Indeed - and do you know why? :(


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Yes, because it was a war, and sad and awful things happen when men set their minds to killing one another. Folks, lets just all say thank you to those in all of our nations who fought and died for us. Let's not turn this into a contest about who did the most, who gave the most, or who was late to the war. We all know this thread is on the verge of becoming ugly and getting closed down, and that would be shame given the honorable nature of the thread. Can't we all just show our mutual respect and let it get back on topic before things go that far?
(Yes, I realize I am partially responsible for it going this way and I apologize for that)

Heavens what a passionate group we all are!!
As with so many I did a plenty of years in the forces.
I would rather have faced the enemy then stand up in a skirt in front of my friends. My issue, not anyone elses.
It is interesting that it appears that a large proportion of CDers are either in or have served in the forces.
I wonder if there is a reason?
Bottom line for me. I never worried about the sexuality, dress preference, race or creed. We were all there because we chose to be.

Location, Location, is where it was with me. When I was on a ship no way, send my pink panties down to the ships laundry, imagine the results. When I was off base, shore duty, I did my own laundry and could wear what I wanted. But, not on duty, to many chances of being uncovered. Good Luck!!

Well first let me say, thank you for serving! I served as a Navy Corpsman and did discreetly dress the bulk of the time. Just be careful, while most people (like anywhere else) won't care in the least, it only takes one to turn you in and get you pushed out with an administrative discharge.

As for the back and forth on WWII well if you know history, you know the US didn't just go in and save the day, it was a concerted effort of MANY different nations that got the job done. If the troops back then could work together, why are we bickering over it now?

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Originally Posted by Katie B

("...serious abuse visited upon another sailor who was thought to be gay. It was brutal, and the fellow was lucky to survive. Nothing was ever done about it."... "...your fellow soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines can turn on you like a pack of rabid dogs. ") it seems to me that nobody should go into the military!

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[SIZE="2"]Katie, you sure stirred the pot with that statement ;) but that is why this site is special, we can make statements and expect rebuttal, both for and against. At least until the MODS take action..

I wonder what the reaction would be in a Professional Football team locker room if one player walked in wearing a cute skirt and top, in heels..and begins to change to the team uniform???? would it turn ugly? would the biggest guy protect 'him/her'??? would the owners fire the player or attempt to trade to another team?? would another team want 'him/her'????

and how long would it take 'him/her' to recover from the beatings?????

just a thought.

And like others..back to the original question.. :)

Yes, no, maybe... i'm sure that one's personal life would not effect the reaction to defend your squad..or have others defend you.. but then again, given a split second, if one has enough evilness in them, then a shot by 'friendly' fire could happen.

Its the same evilness that allows somoene to hoist a rope on a tree and hang a person based on color only..then go to a near diner and have lunch without thinking twice.

maybe its best to lay low or wait until time served to live out your desires.. not the best answer but the safest both physically and professionally. This allows some to fulfill that deep desire to give for our country.. even if in your own ranks you may be hated or looked down upon.

such a great country where we can speak our minds..well most of the time :)[/SIZE]

I can relate considering I am in the same situation. I'm back in the sandbox as well.

You do have to be discreet as well as VERY CAREFUL. When my wife and I had our meltdown she outed me to her entire unit.(yeah I'll explain all of that in another post) So I have to deal with that now.

The only thing that sucks about being here right now is that I only have one pair of panties here....god I hate boxers....

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Originally Posted by TxKimberly

(Yes, I realize I am partially responsible for it going this way and I apologize for that)

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Kimberley, I actually thought you said it perfectly -

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Originally Posted by TxKimberly

No question we made a significant contribution there, but in deference to our members from Great Britain, Canada, Australia, Russia, and many other countries, lets not forget that we didn't do it alone. A lot of good people from a lot of nations fought and died to bring freedom back to those that had lost it.

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Let's all just leave it at that? 'Wars' on a thread such as this seems OTT, doncha think? :D

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Originally Posted by mscassey1963

[SIZE="2"]that is why this site is special, we can make statements and expect rebuttal, both for and against. At least until the MODS take action..
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such a great country where we can speak our minds..well most of the time :)[/SIZE]

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Surely no action is required, if we can be respectful of each other? :)

Jordan,

I'm in the same boat that you are. There are so many times that I have wanted to wear panties underneath my utilities. The only chance I get is for cold weather/arctic training when I wear panty hose under the excuse that they are warm. If anyone found out, that would be the end of my reputation. I often get a hotel room every now and then to let myself out, because I live in base housing and can't count on who will be at the door or if anyone can see in the windows if the blinds are down. So I too am struggling with expressing myself. But it is also a choice I have made. Anything else, you can come to me.

PQ

When I was on active duty, I was found out. I was wearing a pink babydoll with panties, garters and stockings in a private room where I *thought* I was safe. Another soldier opened the door and when he saw me, he quickly closed it and left. :o Not minutes later, my sqaud leader came in and confronted me. I explained that I was not gay, just a CD and he said to try and be more discreet or at least lock the door (I had forgotten to). Nothing else happened to me. I am currently in the Army Reserve and I do underdress occaisionally when we aren't doing physical training that day. President Obama is repealing the "don't ask, don't tell" and opt for full integration of gays in the military. (It was not long ago that minority races were not allowed.) However, until that happens remember that even if they suspect, they are not allowed to ask. :heehee: In fact, in my present unit, I have made some off-comments (my sick sense of humor) and have been asked about my personal life and if I'm a CD. I said, "you cannot ask me that, and I wil neither confirm nor deny". :2c:

Rachel

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Originally Posted by StaceyJane

Hi Jordyn, I did my year out in the desert. I think my urge to CD was less because out in the desert the women wore the exact same clothes as the men. None of that "I love that outfit, I wish I could wear it" because the fact was I was wearing the same outfit as the girls. really the best you can do is come home safe then take some serious time to indugle that female side of you. :) I would recomend a whole day at a spa. You will feel wonderful afterward.

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Well... technically, you were crossdressing. Wait, were the girls crossdressing too? Now I'm confused :tongueout