Fundamental Right Wingers

intriguing thread, Ladies,
of course we all want to live and let live which to many sounds rather left wing. but i am gathering by your posts that many of us consider ourselves to be rather conservative.
i remember being in trouble for wearing an American Indian ear cuff while, gasp!, leading hymns in front of the assembly!
it made me ponder, whose conservatism are we talking about?
authentic native jewelry given me by a First American and my pony tail made some think i was being a hippy. i feel that way inside, a flower child, born too young for the "summer of love." but there would be future summers. even so, even like some of you said, i would never force or even urge others to live one way or another, my views on stewardship of resources and the sanctity of life, all life, and the company i keep mark me as rather to the right of center.
we are all children of the universe, striving to find our way in the dark by the light given us by our elders, who often were quite fallible and even misguided. what fires we build, may we see farther and deeper by and share the warmth we create together. to build each other up and to preserve and strengthen seems to me to be a most conservative thing to do.
from behind these eyes,
gratefully,
jessie

I hate to mix politics and, well, this, but to say that someone is incorrect in assuming that those who are right wing conservatives and religious in association with those politics would be more likely to be intolerant of cross dressing or transgenderism is fooling themselves and just needs to look no further than the reaction to gay marriage. I'm sorry, ladies, but tolerance and the religious right do not go hand in hand.

Now some of you might be conservative and religious and take issue with this because, after all, you are a cd and are tolerant of our behavior. I would say that you are not representative of your religio-political group. I'm sorry if you take offense at this. I really mean none and I respect your right to vote and pray as you will. It's just that there are too many of your associates who do not extend me the same courtesy and those who are most likely to pummel me to death for wearing a dress are not secular progressives such as myself but so-called religious conservatives.

I've been trying to stay out of this thread but feel I need to respond. First, I should point out that I'm a fiscal conservative/libertarian(so yes, I was a strong supporter of Ron Paul in the recent republican primaries).

One thing I think people need to remember is that there are several factions right now in the Republican party that I believe really do have competing agendas. There are social conservatives(pro-life, anti-gay, etc), fiscal conservatives, national security conservatives, etc. I think for the most part fiscal conservatives(who tend to be more libertarian in their beliefs) and those like Rudy Guiliani who are more vocal in support of the war on terror could care less what people do as long as they don't bother others. The fiscal conservatives I know would support anybody would simply veto budgets that weren't balanced.

However, there are many democrats who are shall we say squeemish about transgender issues. For example, you can take a look at this news article from October 2007. It talks about an GLBT employment non-descrimination act that was in congress(where both houses are democratically controlled). They had to remove the transgender portions because according to the article "Frank, the only openly gay man serving in Congress, surprised many leading LGBT rights advocates during a September 27 meeting when he announced his whip count showed there were not enough votes to support ENDA if it included gender identity protections". If all the democrats were behind this, then they would have had the votes to pass the law.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n3385961.shtml

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Originally Posted by cdjenny20

However, there are many democrats who are shall we say squeemish about transgender issues.

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Jenny, you're absolutely right. There are way too many democrats who cannot bring themselves to be as progressive as we would like them to be. But they are closer than those on the right. And, as you said, there are all kinds of people on both sides of the spectrum. For me, it's those who use their religion to condemn others and those who use those who use their religion that I have real issues with. You just don't find those on the left as apt to be violent or encourage intolerance as those on the right.

As I sit here and do my makeup, I started reading through all the posts in the thread and had all these male emotions ready to pounce on certain posters.

But as I become more feminine in appearance and feelings i decided not to even get involved in this discussion. Much too masculine for me. I guess the years of therapy actually were worth it.:)

It doesn't matter if one is a right winger, fundamentalist, conservative, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or atheist. It is narrow minded people that are the problem, people whose views focus so narrowly that they can't see anything but their ignorant views. They see the Sweetgum tree for the seed pods that drop from it and hurt so much if you step on one while bare footed. They don't see a beautiful hardwood tree that provides lots of shade in the summer, drops it's leaves to let the sunshine in during the winter, grows fast so that one that sprouts when your child is born looks like a mature tree when she graduates high school, and to top it off it is a non-invasive species. They see the cd or tg person as a pervert and have no intention in learning why they feel this way, what it means to be transgendered, or what crossdressing really is all about. We have to put up with them weather we like it or not. They have to put up with us weather they like it or not!

Pamela:)

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Originally Posted by Pamela Julie

It doesn't matter if one is a right winger, fundamentalist, conservative, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or atheist. It is narrow minded people that are the problem, people whose views focus so narrowly that they can't see anything but their ignorant views. They see the Sweetgum tree for the seed pods that drop from it and hurt so much if you step on one while bare footed. They don't see a beautiful hardwood tree that provides lots of shade in the summer, drops it's leaves to let the sunshine in during the winter, grows fast so that one that sprouts when your child is born looks like a mature tree when she graduates high school, and to top it off it is a non-invasive species. They see the cd or tg person as a pervert and have no intention in learning why they feel this way, what it means to be transgendered, or what crossdressing really is all about. We have to put up with them weather we like it or not. They have to put up with us weather they like it or not!

Pamela:)

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Well said, Pamela. Thank you.

Well, I can only speak for myself but the reason I like to come here and check the forums is because as long as I have been reading them they have stayed out of the political arena. We come from all walks of life far left and far right. Let this be a place where political leaning matters not.

With that I will say good night and have a great tomorrow.

My thought is there are way to many people in this world that think there Way is the only way others should think or believe. In the U.S.A. we have a thing called the by our
Bill of Rights of freedom of life liberty and happiness the things some don't which us to have because it afends the way they which ti think. I cant say one nation under God Because some one don't believe in God and so on. I must stop now before I say something that may hurt some of my sisters here. :hugs:
Angie

Clearly, many on this website are good right-wing fundamentalists. I don't dispute that, not at all. Possibly the nicest, most kind woman I know is a very right-wing fundamentalist. I have no doubt that at this very moment she awaits the rapture to lift her into heaven.

And yes, there are intolerant liberals.

All of which is beside the point. IMHO, the point is that no liberal groups are trying to make cross-dressing illegal. And the Democratic party (which I don't consider especially liberal) has not attempted to make homosexuality into the world's greatest evil. Can anyone say the same for the fundamentalist "Christian" preachers or the right-wingers who fill the AM radio frequencies with their venom?

You think I exagerate? Read the Texas Republican Party platform; you can find it on the web. Face it, the GOP demonizes gays, and they cannot/will not differentiate crossdressers from gays.

Yes, one can be a good person, and a right-winger, and a crossdresser. But don't expect the crossdressing community to praise you for it. As Jaina said so succinctly in her post: "When you ally yourself with a group, you are responsible for the actions of that group."

Cindi Johnson

Tell me again why this thread was opened? There's a lot of right-wing bashing going on here. Personally, I'm a conservative democrat. I believe in unions and guns. This means I vote Republican because of the socialist/communist infiltration of the Democratic Party. I guess it is clear now, that this post is for the LGBT people to bash right-wingers with their vitriolic hate. But, the Republicans on this board become disallusioned with these constant attacks. Why do leftist CDers want to alienate their "sisters" on the right? I think that it does little to help the LGBT cause and probably hurts it. If society, only sees the radical left of the LGBT movement, then the stereotypes continue, and the freedom you seek so badly is further away.

This thread is closed, politics are not a part of this forum and religion has its own section.