Allie,
When I look at your Avatar, I wonder why you bothered to take the test?? No queation what it should have told you!!! Girl, Girl, Girl!!!
I took the test some time ago, and scored as a definite Feminine Male.:heehee: I have taken a couple of other similar tests for gender, and always score as a female or feminine male! No desire to be a woman, but I sure do like to dress like one!!:love:
OK, I scored a 95, COGIATI classification THREE, ANDROGYNE! That's about right!! :)
[SIZE=4]Allie,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4] Just for sh*** & giggles I took the test and scored an 80 which put me in the same category as you. And I have to say I agreed with these results.:)[/SIZE]
Anybody who talks about golf needs help ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by clayfish
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Originally Posted by dawnmarrie1961
I took that test. Because I'm a GG I had to mentally change the questions a bit to fit my situation. I have to say, it was pretty accurate. -25: androgyne.
I look feminine on the outside, but I'm fairly androgynous (but slightly more female) inside my mind... unless some situation brings out my male or female side strongly. I like both sides. :)
Many years ago there was a huge difference between my serious, suit-wearing work self and my party animal nighttime self. This became exhausting after a while. Gradually I toned down the night side and loosened up during the day until I was pretty much a happy medium all the time. It worked for me. Something similar might work for you.
I don't take it too seriously. :). But it was pretty accurate for me. Thanks for the "girl, girl, girl" comment. That means that at least when I'm in girl mode I'm pulling it off. ;-)
Kisses,
Allie
If you new folks will take a quick look at the thread starter, you'll see this question was originally posted back in June (and, as others have noted, it keeps coming up again). For those who have not taken the time to read past discussions on the COGIATI, here's a quick summary: You should put every bit as much faith in that test as you do in your fortune cookie. Some of the distinctions between the answers (like "maybe" vs. "sometimes" vs. "possibly") are so fuzzy that you could give a completely different, but perfectly honest, answer to the same question three times in a row... and yet those three identical answers can nudge your score five or ten points in either direction depending on which one you pick. The test also presupposes some ridiculously outdated gender stereotypes like only men are good at math and only women are good at reading facial expressions. The remaining questions that might actually have some relevance to your personality are not any kind of analysis at all; they're just taking what you said and repeating it back to you. That is, if you're the type of person who would be thrilled with loss of your male genitalia and an opportunity to magically transform into the opposite sex - wow, big news flash, you are a likely candidate for SRS. OK, scratch that summary. You could get BETTER results from a fortune cookie.
Sorry about all the snark (yeah, right) but I seriously hate it when junk science is passed off as the real thing. That's fine when everybody knows it's junk, but when gullible folks actually make life decisions based on that junk science, I get angry.
That's the best gender test I have seen yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Erin
Personally if you were a TS you would know it, there isnt much denial aside from trying to surpress your innerself. Are there masculine women who enjoy baseball, motorcycles, boxing, etc... absolutely. Theres no reason you couldnt be transgendered, identify as female and still enjoy more masculine hobbies, work etc... I was sort of this way for a long time, I thought that if I flooded my life with uber (sorry mod's I know its not an english word :)) male hobbies like riding dirtbikes and playing paintball that I could sort of drown the woman inside with testosorone. But thats not really me, I still enjoy some of that stuff I just dont take it to extremes. Now on the other hand I know a TS female who is uber girly but loves to drive off road and work on trucks. The point is were all complex and we all have different things that bring us peace. If you are TS you know, you just do, even if you are in denial or are trying to surpress your self deep down you know. Dont let your hobbies dictate who you are. If you take the time and think there are a lot of women who enjoy extreme sports and hold traditional male jobs, theres no reason you cant be one of them. There are a lot of women who dont enjoy wearing skirts and heels and are happy in a t-shirt and jeans, theres no reason you cant be one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by VikkiVixen7188
A friend of mine's husband is TG. S/he came out to my friend 12 odd years ago, and after a difficult first few years eventually the family rallied around, including the kids who are now nearly adult, to fully support husband/dad. The family also belongs to a church community that is extremely supportive of the husband's transness.
So my friend told me that her husband over the years ran the gamut from at first being extremely involved in the lifestyle and wanting to live 24/7, take hormones, and not knowing if she wanted to transition, to not wanting to dress at all for some years (despite having everyone's full support), to being happy living in balance, to beginning the cycle all over again.
I should think my friend's husband would have had different results on the cogiati or similar tests depending on when s/he took it. I've often wondered if gender identification among some CDers (not TSs) is more fluid than people believe, and indicates changing attitudes rather than a permanent state of being.
Ralph,
Are you saying Fortune Cookies aren't always true? Darn, I really wanted that check to come!:heehee:
I just took this silly test and got just what i knew already. score 135, probable transsexual . classification 4 i do need to seek some professional help not so they can tell me what i am just so i can hopefully get this train rolling, and at last find some peace and contentment
IME the Cogiati gives you exactly the answer you want - which means it's too easy (both subconsciously and consciously) to slant the answers.
I've heard many people say this - and yet a lot of people I know who've transitioned have had long periods of doubt and uncertainty - it seems at least as common as absolute certainty, and perhaps is more understandable? :idontknow:Quote:
Originally Posted by sheridan
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Originally Posted by PaulaJaneThomas
:lol: i just read this out to clayfish n he cracked up myself oi think hes beyond any help laffing... but then thats just my :2c: :devil::battingeyelashes:
im a GG n that test says im more to the male then female. now go figure that one...laffing... does that mean i have bigger balls then most, n clayfish says nah i just sell more tickets. laffing:devil::D:tongueout
i just roll with it and if guys are uncomfortable with it, trust me, there are many guys out there who arent sweetie!
I think it might be, but then again I think a certain number of self-identified CD's are what I call "Proto-TS's"Quote:
Originally Posted by ReineD
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Hi VikkiQuote:
Originally Posted by VikkiVixen7188
I don't know of this test but I would imagine that the stereoptype content in the questions could well be true. I would struggle to take it seriously therefore because I tend to hate stereotypes...especialy gender ones!
I understand the things you are saying about having male friends and TG friends .....and finding it hard to combine the two. I don't have any real life TG friends ( yet ) but I have a lot of girlfriends and few male friends. I struggle to understand the boy lifestyle in a lot of ways and sometimes i have struggled to make new male friends. That is a sad thing in a way because i so want to behave as I normaly would like when I'm around my girlfriends, which is basicaly one of the girls!.....though when around new males I struggle to let my guard down and tend to take on that mask I'v grown all my life.
It makes me sad , because I often meet men who are sensitive and gentle and would no doubt be fine with me being like a girl, but I don't let them in. For me it is a pretty clear feeling inside...in how I believe I am a girl inside and the male behavior is mostly...mostly a mask or a remnant of the mask I'v been wearing since I was 5.
I won't deny that I have some trates that are masculine and likes/dislikes etc. I don't fight those things because most GG I know or have met also have various male trates.
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I took the test - scored 245 - they said I was a transexual !
JoAnne Wheeler
You betcha - it's a huge problem. Been there, done that myself.
If you are truly transgendered (call it bi-gendered if you wish) then you must not hide one gender nor should you feel that you need to choose. It won't do you any good since the other "ignored" gender will scream at you until you let it out. It's worse than a foo-foo dog locked in a car at a mall. I can't tell you how to let both sides find expression, but I can tell you that you need to find ways of doing just that.
For me, I seem to have simply reached a place of ease and comfort with my own dual gender issue. To most of my friends I probably seem to be a pretty average kind of guy. But, then, I tend to choose friends and situations that are comfortable and non-threatening. Think about who you see and where you are. Be advised: it gets easier as you get older because less is expected of you in regard to gender presentation.
I keep my feminine side mostly confined to home where my wife is wonderfully accepting and supportive. Very rarely we go out shopping together and I dress down to match the locals. So, the fem side gets a compromise but it works for me. You will find your own water level.
Just be aware that both genders need to find expression. To do otherwise is to invite stress, shame, and worry lines.
Vikki,I scored 175 and I will not be cutting the junk off in this life time for the sake of that test!
I need a drink :drink:
Jeanna
Vikki,
If you don't know who you are, no one else does. You say you value both your male and female sides equally. There's your answer. Enjoy one or the other as the mood takes you.
Gayle
Believe me when I say that a great many of us here know exactly what you are talking about as we have "been there, done that". A great many of us have had to live double lives; one as a man, the other as a woman (so to speak).
This is not always easy and is often frustrating. One has to consider a number of factors when deciding how to best handle this situation. Not everyone will make the same choices.
The "good news" is that you are not alone and that many of us understand and are sympathetic.
Good luck!
I just took it, not too surprised at the outcome. Nice to have some affirmation from a 3rd party source
for kicks I took the Cogiati test.its says I am androgynous... I could have guessed the results. I dont have time or money to go to a shrink. I am no risk to myself so no big deal.
I dont put much faith in test like that anyway
What might be really interesting is if people took the test crossdressed and then took it later while not crossdressed and see if the scores are the same or different. Does our gender presentation change our score?
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the Bem Sex Role Inventory (BSRI). Even though it has been around for awhile and has some reported flaws, it seems to be a "standard" gender test...
Robyn P.
I did the test, 155 Class 4 (Probable TS) was result. Tests like these are fun, and can give one a bit of an idea but ultimately as others have said nothing can replace a professional therapist. This isn't a small issue as i'm beginning to learn as I sort through my own identity problems.
I took the test and got a -165 (is the minus part of it??), classification 2, feminine male.
I wouldn't take it seriously anyway. Some of you said that the test was accurate but how can you measure that? It's more a situation of "I'm getting what I want out of the test because I answer what I already know would lead me there".
This test (like many others) assumes that there's a lineal spectrum of gender from ultra macho to uber sissy and that's not realistic.
About the therapy, I think that if the issue (any issue actually) affects your life in a way that renders you dis-functional, you must seek professional advise. Living more than one life is not dis-functional since most people do that all the times. Granted, most are not doing it because of gender issues. But we go back and forth between different separated worlds. I think that there's a trend lately (many many years lately) to unify our worlds and it's not healthy. I work now in a corporate environment where getting everyone together and sharing with the families is a must. I always stay out of it. I like to have my work life on one side, my family life on another, my friends on another, my hobbies on another. I may mix them occasionally though. I see the same in schools where it's assumed that you have to share your whole life with those that were put there with you just because it happened.
The best part of living your life going back and forth different separated worlds is that each one is a refugee from the others.
I just got forwarded this from Cristan Williams, the director of the Houston Transgendered Resource Center. She likes the scale at the bottom better because it shows things in a more clear light with some objective views of use of therapy, both psychological and hormonal.
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Have you heard of the Gender Disorientation Scale?
It is a discarded Scale used to identify transgenders along the lines of a very clear continuum instead of what we use today. Harry Benjamin came up with a Sex Disorientation Scale that used 7 delineations or lines in a continuum in much the same way that Kinsey used 7 delineations for his sexual orientation scale.
Putting aside some of the language that seems a bit outdated and the incorperation of the Kinsey scale into the Benjamin scale, the Benjamin view seems actually way ahead of the game and better in than the diagnostic criteria we have in the DSM today.
Below is Dr. Harry Benjamin's Gender Disorientation Scale. I've included Kinsey's sexual orientation scale for reference:
Kinsey's Sexual Orientation Scale
0 Exclusively heterosexual with no homosexual experience
1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidently homosexual
2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 Predominantly homosexual, but incidentally heterosexual
6 Exclusively homosexual, with no heterosexual experience
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Benjamin's Gender Disorientation Scale
Type One: Transvestite (Pseudo)
Gender Feeling: Masculine
Dressing Habits and Social Life: Lives as a man. Could get occasional kick out of dressing. Normal male life.
Sex Object Choice and Sex Life: Hetero, bi, or homosexual. Dressing and -- more --exchange may occur in masturbation fantasies mainly. May enjoy TV literature only.
Kinsey Scale: 0-6
Conversion Operation: Not considered in reality.
Estrogen Medication: Not interested or indicated.
Psychotherapy: Not wanted and unnecessary.
Remarks: Interests in dressing is only sporadic.
Type Two: Transvestism (Fetishistic)
Gender Feeling: Masculine
Dressing Habits and Social Life: Lives as a man. Dressing periodically or part of the time. Dresses underneath male clothes.
Sex Object Choice and Sex Life: Heterosexual. Rarely bisexual. Masturbation with fetish. Guilt feelings. Purges and relapses.
Kinsey Scale: 0-2
Conversion Operation: Rejected
Estrogen Medication: Rarely interested. Occasionally useful to reduce libido.
Psychotherapy: May be successful (in a favorable environment. )
Remarks: May imitate double (masculine and feminine) personality with male and female names.
Type Three: Transvestism (True)
Gender Feeling: Masculine (but with less conviction.)
Dressing Habits and Social Life: Dresses constantly or as often as possible. May live and be accepted as woman. May dress underneath male clothes, if no other chance.
Sex Object Choice and Sex Life: Heterosexual, except when dressed. Dressing gives sexual satisfaction with relief of gender discomfort. May purge and relapse.
Kinsey Scale: 0-2
Conversion Operation: Actually rejected, but idea can be attractive.
Estrogen Medication: Attractive as an experiment. Can be helpful emotionally
Psychotherapy: If attempted is usually not successful as to cure.
Remarks: May assume double personality. Trend toward transsexualism.
Type Four: Transsexual (Nonsurgical)
Gender Feeling: Undecided. Wavering between TV and TS.
Dressing Habits and Social Life: Dresses as often as possible with insufficient relief of his gender discomfort. May live as a man or woman; sometimes alternating.
Sex Object Choice and Sex Life: Libido often low. Asexual or auto-erotic. Could be bisexual. Could also be married and have children.
Kinsey Scale: 1-4
Conversion Operation: Attractive but not requested or attraction not admitted.
Estrogen Medication: Needed for comfort and emotional balance.
Psychotherapy: Only as guidance; otherwise refused or unsuccessful.
Remarks: Social life dependent upon circumstances.
Type Five: True Transsexual (moderate intensity)
Gender Feeling: Feminine (trapped in male body)
Dressing Habits and Social Life: Lives and works as woman if possible. Insufficient relief from dressing.
Sex Object Choice and Sex Life: Libido low. Asexual auto-erotic, or passive homosexual activity. May have been married and have children.
Kinsey Scale: 4-6
Conversion Operation: Requested and usually indicated.
Estrogen Medication: Needed as substitute for or preliminary to operation.
Psychotherapy: Rejected. Useless as to cure. Permissive psychological guidance.
Remarks: Operation hoped for and worked for. Often attained.
Type Six: True Transsexual (high intensity)
Gender Feeling: Feminine. Total psycho-sexual inversion.
Dressing Habits and Social Life: May live and work as a woman. Dressing gives insufficient relief. Gender discomfort intense.
Sex Object Choice and Sex Life: Intensely desires relations with normal male as female if young. May have been married and have children, by using fantasies in intercourse.
Kinsey Scale: 6
Conversion Operation: Urgently requested and usually attained. Indicated.
Estrogen Medication: Required for partial relief.
Psychotherapy: Psychological guidance or psychotherapy for symptomatic relief only.
Remarks: Despises his male sex organs. Danger of suicide or self-mutilation, if too long frustrated.
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I think it is interesting. I still don't fit any of these types perfectly.
I think I am a Type: 2.5 Transvestite. Of course, the fact that I'm confused may mean that I'm Type: 4 Transexual or maybe I'm Type 3.5 Transvestual with a strong libido. I don't know. :)
All I do know is what I'm not. I'm not Type: 1, Type: 5 or Type: 6.
I think they need to call it the "Gender Confusion Scale" not the "Gender Disorientation Scale". :)
Kisses,
Allie
Allie, that was great! I also found it hard to find my place on the scale... I'd rate myself a solid 2, except that implies that I dress purely for sexual experience and I require some object(s) of clothing to complete the sexual rush.
It's true, dressing for me is purely sensual - the tactile feel of the clothes on my body give me pleasure. But it hasn't been sexual for 30 years. Instead, the feelings produced lead to relaxation and self-assurance. Seeing my wife naked, being naked with her... that still gives me a bigger erotic thrill than a pair of panties ever will.
I passed the test. I am still myself.