How many on this site consider themselves TGirls as oppsoed to CDers...???

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Originally Posted by kellycan27

I take it as meaning transexual...like me. it someone wants to split hairs,more power to them.

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Originally Posted by Starr

When you work to appear female.. or as some say pass then I see you as a Tgirl.

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Originally Posted by daphne g

i think the fantasy of being tg sounds like fun
but in reallity if i were tg and started that jeorney
the magic would end and what then
for me is deffinatly a fun thing ,a cder
i am what i am and love it

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Wow.. Yet again, divided by a common language. :rolleyes:

I've never met people before who define TGirl as equivalent to TS - it's always, IME, been intended as a wide, catch-all term for everybody? The T, btw, can stand for whatever you want - the whole point is, it's intended to be inclusive.

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Originally Posted by Edwina

I guess I am just a CD.

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My highlight, above - to me, this is precisely the problem with the way labels get used - to imply a hierarchy and exclude people. :sad:

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Originally Posted by Sherry-Stephanie

I think I can pull off dressing enfemme pretty good...so that being the case and I am being told by a few people that "I'm more than just across dresser...I'm a Tgirl" do I want to kick this up a notch or two....do I want to take hormones which my understanding is it will make my hips and but more fuller and woman like...give me some increase in my breast where I can get cleavage naturally it will smooth my skin and amybe do afew other things...

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So - what's your definition of TGirl? It sounds more like it's something very close to 'a woman'.

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I will never have another relationship with a woman, not because I don't want to but because I am a non fuctioning male. Am illness 10 years ago left me incapale of being able to do the manly thing..so what woman would be interested in me. I'm not interested in totally transitionng and have the plumbing removed because I am not opposed to my maleness...I'm just thinking of improving on my female presentation...

To be honest about the whole thing I'm not sure exaclty what I am suppsoe to be in reference to "your a TGirl"....is it something I am not yet???? or is it something I'm trying to go to... a point I'm trying to reach and I need to do soemthing new to reach it i.e. hormones????

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Forgive me, but who are you doing this for and why? Do you want to make yourself more like a woman because you can't be a man, successfully, by your definition? :idontknow:

Perhaps that requires a different solution...

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I want to sit to think to ponder and to talk so if any of you can take the time to sit with me and be a sounding board to me I'd appreciate it....it's a journey for me with no guide, no mentor, no friend...and I guess I need one of those in my life...for Steve has been cast aside and Stephanie has been rejected...so now I need to know and discover who is left...so I can become who I need to become now....

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I hope you take these questions in a constructive way - that's how they're intended. :battingeyelashes:

im just a confused littel girl that looks kike a guy:battingeyelashes:

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So - what's your definition of TGirl? It sounds more like it's something very close to 'a woman'.

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Honestly I don't know....it's all over the board but it's somethign above CD and below a surgically transformed male to female I guess....where I fit in the equation at this moment I don't know....

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Originally Posted by Nicki B

It sounds more like it's something very close to 'a woman'.

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Isn't that a Tea Lady? :D (can't find a photo of Mrs Overall though :()

As for labels, Dual-Role Gender Variant does me very nicely :D

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Originally Posted by SweetCaroline

I think of myself as being "female gendered" regardless of hormones or organs, therefore I tend not to think of myself as a crossdresser. Caroline to me is not another personality or a costume that I can change into and out of. She's who I am regardless of how I'm dressed. Tho, I still like my male body and have no desire for any sort of surgery or physical change.

T-girl or Transgendered is about right for me.

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I'm sort of along the same lines, although obviously did not transition at a young enough age (it just right before the internet). IMO, unless you have unbelievably feminine genetics or transition as, at least around being a teenager, you're not going to look female worth a damn, and therefore when you attempt to transition are not going to EVER experience living as one.

But, for the record, I have been consciously aware I was a woman, not a crossdresser, since I was probably 12 or so. The clothing has always been a comfort thing, not something that i'd get off on, hence the reason I don't need them in the way crossdressers do. I know what I am. I have a feminine nature to myself, that no matter what I do, I can not escape it, shake it, or change it. It's me.

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Originally Posted by TGMarla

I feel that I am transgendered, rather than strictly a crossdresser. There is a part of me that really wishes I had had the fortune of being female rather than male. The feeling never really goes away, and stays with me every day and at most times. I have decided that I will not pursue transition and SRS, though. Things are just going to have to stay the way they are physically. I'm too steeped into the life I have now to make such radical alterations to it. But it is an omnipresent regret that I can never experience true womanhood.

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It's amazing...this is EXACTLY how I feel.
I'm sure I will be a great woman in my next life. I only need to be patient and wait :battingeyelashes:

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Originally Posted by TGMarla

I feel that I am transgendered, rather than strictly a crossdresser. There is a part of me that really wishes I had had the fortune of being female rather than male. The feeling never really goes away, and stays with me every day and at most times. I have decided that I will not pursue transition and SRS, though. Things are just going to have to stay the way they are physically. I'm too steeped into the life I have now to make such radical alterations to it. But it is an omnipresent regret that I can never experience true womanhood.

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I totally agree with you

Unlike some of you, I don't feel the least bit trapped in the wrong body. I enjoy my male body, but also enjoy occasionally becoming a woman.

That being said, I will say that I have had breast-envy from the time I was quite young. As young as 6, I would pray to God every day to let me grow breasts. He never answered my prayers, so I had to buy some when I got old enough (and had enough money).

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Originally Posted by Marisa_M

It's amazing...this is EXACTLY how I feel.
I'm sure I will be a great woman in my next life. I only need to be patient and wait :battingeyelashes:

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Marla, Gennifer, & Marisa, I'm on board with ya'll! :hugs:

I'm a fairy, sissy, pansy, Nancyboy or whatever you want to call it. It's the other gender whose name we dare not speak. I think of it as being to the left of female.
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I crossdress because I like to identify "with" females, but I don't identify "as" a female. I am male, I have never thought otherwise, but on the emotional level I feel closer to females than males. Mentaly and physically I identify as a male. I don't think there is a hard and fast defination for me or probably anybody here. Probably a little more than just a crossdresser, but that is close enough for me.

Why does it have to be 'above' or 'more than' a CD?? :sad:

That so often repeated notion of a hierarchy is so VERY devisive.. :(


Surely by now we know there aren't hard and fast lines between people - which is why 'transgender' is so often used to cover everybody? :)

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How many on this site consider themselves TGirls as oppsoed to CDers...???

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I usually refer to myself as a crossdresser, but sometimes I use t-girl or part time t-girl instead.

Honestly, I'm having trouble with the terminology and figuring out exactly what it means. There seems to be some debate, or at least different usages of terms.

As I understand it, a t-girl, or trans-girl, is a genetic male with an unaltered body (or mostly unaltered) who dresses up like and tries to look completely female in outward appearance either part-time or full-time.

Of the self-proclaimed "t-girls" I communicate with, all have been people who live their daily lives as men, and transform into their feminine appearance in their free time. That is a good description of how I do it.

I try to appear completely female (even been working on my femme-voice) when I crossdress. I often just dress in clothes (without makeup) because of time constraints in my busy life, but my preference and desire is to go full makeup, nails - the works, and appear as female as possible.

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Originally Posted by Gabrielle Hermosa

I usually refer to myself as a crossdresser, but sometimes I use t-girl or part time t-girl instead.

Honestly, I'm having trouble with the terminology and figuring out exactly what it means. There seems to be some debate, or at least different usages of terms.

As I understand it, a t-girl, or trans-girl, is a genetic male with an unaltered body (or mostly unaltered) who dresses up like and tries to look completely female in outward appearance either part-time or full-time.

Of the self-proclaimed "t-girls" I communicate with, all have been people who live their daily lives as men, and transform into their feminine appearance in their free time. That is a good description of how I do it.

I try to appear completely female (even been working on my femme-voice) when I crossdress. I often just dress in clothes (without makeup) because of time constraints in my busy life, but my preference and desire is to go full makeup, nails - the works, and appear as female as possible.

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I'm in the same frame of mind as you Gabrielle. Not sure what I would refer to myself as, CDer or TGer, but right now I'm not concerned with labels. Just exploring my feminine side in any way I can and have some fun with it.

Well if I was forced to carry a label, I'm fairly positive I would classify in the realm of TG, but I prefer to just be me.. :)

The reason I proposed this question is it was brought to my attention of late that I'm not a CDer as I am a Tgirl...

The way it was explained to me is a cross dresser wears women's clothing and looks basically like a man in a dress....doesn't try to really conceal his masculine side while dressed....but the Tgirl is one that not only tries to look femine but also tries to totally erases her male identy in the process and then goes out and is out in the public as a girl...be it shopping clubbing or whatever...

So I got thinking ..am I a crossdresser or am I aTgirl...

Honestly for me I feel like I'm a bi gendered person who has a male side and female side and when either one comes out I tried to authentica either one as best as I can....CDing seem to be the elsser of what I am now....I think I'm trying to become TGirl and be able to be out and about as Stephanie...will I go beyond the Tgirl aspect and use any enhancements?? Probably not..age and cost being prohibited...

But I just wanted to see how you all looked at this question/topic...

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Originally Posted by Gabrielle Hermosa

I usually refer to myself as a crossdresser, but sometimes I use t-girl or part time t-girl instead.

Honestly, I'm having trouble with the terminology and figuring out exactly what it means. There seems to be some debate, or at least different usages of terms.

As I understand it, a t-girl, or trans-girl, is a genetic male with an unaltered body (or mostly unaltered) who dresses up like and tries to look completely female in outward appearance either part-time or full-time.

Of the self-proclaimed "t-girls" I communicate with, all have been people who live their daily lives as men, and transform into their feminine appearance in their free time. That is a good description of how I do it.

I try to appear completely female (even been working on my femme-voice) when I crossdress. I often just dress in clothes (without makeup) because of time constraints in my busy life, but my preference and desire is to go full makeup, nails - the works, and appear as female as possible.

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Thank you so much, Gabrielle. This is exactly how I feel about describing myself as a t-girl. Even though I'm not TS and have no plans for SRS, I do feel as though the feminine aspects of my personality and psyche far outweigh the masculine side. When I'm Joni I do my very utmost best to be as much like a girl as I possibly can given the rather poor quality of the raw materials I have to work with. This has nothing whatsoever to do with "fooling" anyone or passing as such, it's just how I feel I need things to be. I may be a part-time girl, but I don't want to look only partly like a girl.

Hugs...Joni Mari

CD all the way for me.
Other than loving to dress, I don't have a girly in me at all :straightface:

Cheers

Tash :)

[SIZE="2"]I call myself a CD. I really love all things fem and to dress, but I also enjoy my guy side to much, to be more than a CD.[/SIZE]

I don't consider myself a CDer. I identify as TG.

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Originally Posted by Nicki B

Wow.. Yet again, divided by a common language. :rolleyes:

I've never met people before who define TGirl as equivalent to TS - it's always, IME, been intended as a wide, catch-all term for everybody? The T, btw, can stand for whatever you want - the whole point is, it's intended to be inclusive.



My highlight, above - to me, this is precisely the problem with the way labels get used - to imply a hierarchy and exclude people. :sad:

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What are you rolling your eyes about? Why do you even care what I call myself. You're the one who's hung up on labels and hierachys and excluding people... I don't care about all that crap I am me and I am doing my thing. I couldn't care less what other people call themselves or how they describe themselves.... It has no effect on me, so why would I even care? Why do you feel that you have to take issue with just about anybody that posts anything?Like you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Fascinating topic and I was surprised to see how many of us are on the TG side.

I like this statement:

After many years of contemplation, understanding and self awareness, I can say that for me, it is far more than "just about the clothes" so I cannot simply consider myself a crossdresser.


For me too it's much more than just the clothes. When I am en femme I feel I am expressing and enjoying the femals aspect of my personality. I feel a kind of release from being limited to just my male aspect. I have normal male interests but female ones too.

Still, given a choice, I feel more comfortable and natural en femme 7/24.

Labels, labels, labels...the great debate rages on.

I used to despise the idea of someone calling me transgendered until I really stopped to think about it, now I can say that I am tg with pride. I am a crossdresser and not a transsexual, to be clear, but tgirl would be a label that I would also identify with.

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Originally Posted by deborah jane

I'm just a bona fide crossdresser me, i enjoy being a guy to much to give it up :)

I enjoy dressing in feminine clothing when i can, but not enough to give up what i have already as a guy.

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That's pretty much how I feel right there. I'm just a guy who gets a big thrill out of what I do. :D

I was chatting with my spouse the other day about "what am I", and we had a discussion , my thinking one way, she was thinking another.
I think much of what you are is based on where you are in your journey.
The tgirl description is quite broad and even describing yourself as a CD takes on many versions.
I heard the term "gender fluid" the other day, and that is a bit like how I feel, sort of slipping between been feminine and masculine depending upon the time and place.
For me, as a tgirl, i love the crossdressing side of my life, and I enjoy being with women more than men.
It is not simple..

Ciao
Kerrie

Is "crossdressing" what we do to be what we are? a tgirl...I feel that I am bi gendered as I've previously stated...both male and female so when I'm female I dress as a female...so I don't think that is cross dressing since I am dressing for my gender appropriate at that particular time...I take on a whole different thought feeling and expression when I'm in my female mode regardless of what clothes I have on....so think fo it...for some of us who sahre this feeling and identify with having two genders when in female mode are we really crossdressing? Some might say yes we are...but we really know what we are doing...we're simply dressing to our particular gender....nothing more nothing less I'm guessing....

I am I right here????

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Originally Posted by Nicki B

Why does it have to be 'above' or 'more than' a CD?? :sad:

That so often repeated notion of a hierarchy is so VERY devisive.. :(


Surely by now we know there aren't hard and fast lines between people - which is why 'transgender' is so often used to cover everybody? :)

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Nicki, when I said "a little more", it was not to be hierarchal(?). It was to say crossdressing means a little more to me than just having fun dressing in female style cloths. When identity is involved, then it is a little beyond cloths, which just is, neither good or bad.

For most of my life I presumed I was a Transvestite/CD or what ever that label is - but now I realise all along I was transgender/transsexual.

I'm far happier and contented now

I think to honestly answer the question for yourself, you have to ask yourself if you would feel the same way and be the same person without the clothes.

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Originally Posted by Jonianne

I crossdress because I like to identify "with" females, but I don't identify "as" a female. I am male, I have never thought otherwise, but on the emotional level I feel closer to females than males. Mentaly and physically I identify as a male. I don't think there is a hard and fast defination for me or probably anybody here. Probably a little more than just a crossdresser, but that is close enough for me.

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I couldn't agree with you more Joni, you are I are about the same age and are on the same wavelength. This T-girl jazz is such an imbugious term its not definitive. I'll make my own idenity even plainer and call myself a female impersonator. Not in the performer drag quen sense but to appear and act as a female and fool people by passing and getting away with it. Thats my thrill. After 3 hours, I come home, the wig comes off, the makeup cleaned off and back to Hanes briefs and t-shirt and brown socks. That'a fine with me. I am the actor/ actress part of this whole "CD?" thing.Remember when we used to be called transvestites? How goush!

Thats my gig and I'm happy with it. TO each their own, everyone has their own life style and idenity. No critcism here.

Megan

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Originally Posted by Megan70

Remember when we used to be called transvestites? How goush!

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Hey, if you don't like English, then move to somewhere with a different language. I'd skip France, though, as the vocabulary is similar enough that you might still not like it.

"Transvestite" means exactly the same thing as "crossdresser." It's wearing clothing considered to be for the opposite sex. There is no further connotation to it.

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Originally Posted by MissConstrued

Hey, if you don't like English, then move to somewhere with a different language. I'd skip France, though, as the vocabulary is similar enough that you might still not like it.

"Transvestite" means exactly the same thing as "crossdresser." It's wearing clothing considered to be for the opposite sex. There is no further connotation to it.

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Do you have a problem with everything? :brolleyes:
Jargon and vocab change over time

im ok with the balance at the moment,in another life,pure female i pray

Lets face it, you are a crossdresser unless one of two things are happening. One: You are living full time as a woman and dating either of the sexes. Two: You are in the stages of SRS and completely identify with being a female trapped in a male body. Thats the way society looks at it.

But what I say is screw society and thier LABELS! I say that when you are dressed up as a female and looking good, then you are a woman and you should be proud of that! When your not dressed up, you are a man, and should also be proud of that! I KNOW that I am the best of both sexes, regardless of how I am dressed. When I am dressed en femme, I have that little touch of pride that I am a man emmulating a woman. When dressed as a man, I feel empowered that I have all of a woman's attributes to supplement me. I am a man who likes to feel girly and femminine from time to time. So what?
Be who you are, NOT what society might label you.

"Rejoice in yourselves my Sisters, for all things are possible and attainable beyond our own pre-concieved limitations!"

Quote by me Madison Lee

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Originally Posted by Nicki B

Why does it have to be 'above' or 'more than' a CD?? :sad:

That so often repeated notion of a hierarchy is so VERY devisive.. :(


Surely by now we know there aren't hard and fast lines between people - which is why 'transgender' is so often used to cover everybody? :)

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I don't understand why you would think that that someone who states that they are transexual is trying to imply that they are above or more than a CD'er.
Transexuals and crossdressers have some of the same issues, but some different issues and motivations as well. I feel that if I know someone's motivation it gives me a better understanding of what that person feels.If labels imply some kind of hierarchy, why not just change the name of this site to "people.com"? We are all people so why not get rid of labels entirely?I don't label myself in order to establish some kind of pecking order,rather than to simply let other's know my motivation for the things I say and do.
I feel the same way about someone who mentions their sexuality... no it really has no bearing on the "group", but it does give others insights to others and other peoples lifestyles. What's next? No panty threads, no silly threads? No coming out threads, because wouldn't that imply that that person is "more" than the closeted one? Should we just all be drones...and talk about the same things? same notions,same thoughts,same point of view.
This subject is taboo,because it offends my sensibilities? This subject is taboo, because it doesn' focus on the "movement" . Wouldn't it be boring if we were just toatally the same? This group is very diverse and I see nothing wrong with individuals expressing themselves,isn't that the premise of this site? should we not deviate from the herd mentality?
Kelly

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Originally Posted by kellycan27

What are you rolling your eyes about?

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So often, here, we are divided by an allegedly common language..

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Why do you even care what I call myself. You're the one who's hung up on labels and hierachys and excluding people... I don't care about all that crap I am me and I am doing my thing. I couldn't care less what other people call themselves or how they describe themselves.... It has no effect on me, so why would I even care?

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It only matters if you are saying only transsexual people can be transgender - the definition used most widely, worldwide, is that the term is an umbrella word for all of us. (a small, almost solely american, usage is to mean only those TSs in the process of transitioning.)

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Why do you feel that you have to take issue with just about anybody that posts anything?Like you are right and everyone else is wrong.

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I wouldn't presume to be right all the time - that's somewhat of an exaggeration, surely?

But I think the notion that some are better than others - widely expressed here in the way many people use language - should be confronted. Do you disagree with that?

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Originally Posted by kellycan27

I don't understand why you would think that that someone who states that they are transexual is trying to imply that they are above or more than a CD'er.

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I didn't say that, though - I highlighted other people using words like 'more than' or 'above' on this thread (or, on other threads, 'only') to refer to CDs. :sad:

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We are all people so why not get rid of labels entirely?

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A group label has uses - but all the subdivisions people concentrate on are surely only divisive, not inclusive? :(

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What's next? No panty threads, no silly threads? No coming out threads, because wouldn't that imply that that person is "more" than the closeted one? Should we just all be drones...and talk about the same things? same notions,same thoughts,same point of view.

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I have no interest in 'pantie' threads - but I don't think I'm alone in that. That just means I don't read them - why would you suggest they shouldn't be allowed?? :strugglin

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This subject is taboo,because it offends my sensibilities? This subject is taboo, because it doesn' focus on the "movement" . Wouldn't it be boring if we were just toatally the same?

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Here you're attributing words and motives to me I have never said.. :sad:

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This group is very diverse and I see nothing wrong with individuals expressing themselves,isn't that the premise of this site? should we not deviate from the herd mentality?

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Why would you think I disagree with that? And yet you're accusing me of being against diversity - whereas nothing could be further from my beliefs. :sad:

Perhaps this thread is worth re-reading, particularly for other's definitions of transgender? :)

I'm a computer illiterate trans-gender person that is probably TS but I'm too old to even talk to a shrink to find out. I am the happiest when I am living as a woman. I love to shop and visit with people as a woman. If I was 20 years younger I would transition. Leanne

Tgirl or Tranny is VERY offensive to most Transgendered people. Almost as offensive as the N-word is to black people.

Second off, Crossdressers and Transgendered people are NOT the same. The difference is obvious. We live as men and not full time as women. Transgendered people live FULL TIME as the other gender.

I identify as a TG and internally while dressed I am a "Lady"! I read a few years ago that you are what you think you are and since then when I dress I act like a woman and to be honest it is just a label CD/TG that is used more to identify M2F and I wonder if F2M's spend time on labels? So I say be who you want to be and in your online life you are TG/CD but publicly act as if you are the gender you are presenting then you will get comfortable in your outward presentation.

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Originally Posted by Nessa88

Second off, Crossdressers and Transgendered people are NOT the same. The difference is obvious. We live as men and not full time as women. Transgendered people live FULL TIME as the other gender.

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Actually there are two usages of the word transgender. One is as an umbrella term to encompass all gender variant people and the other is as you describe (apart from the fact that transgender is an adjective).

When my wife gets pissed at me, even she helps with my crosdressing at times, she calls me a[SIZE="4"]TRANSSEXTITE[/SIZE] :drink:

I can't breathe................................Second Hand Words!

Semantics

Get over it Av

IMHO most of us represent our feminine personality/side,at least on this board and most of us have female names that we identify ourselves with. I feel that many of us are beyond cross dressing but that doesn't matter,,or does it? If all we talked about was putting on a pair of panties and talking sports, I wouldn't be interested! Like many of you I wonder and dream of what it would like have a real woman's body,but I'm a guy.That's why I am here. AFU.!! My wife says to me "You're so lucky to be a guy!" Oh what-ever...I like going beyond just wearing clothes. I gave myself a woman's name. I shave my entire body,I go out in public as a female and I'm learning a female voice,,,Just a little more than cross dressing huh?
I'm a T-GIRL!...I guess..:o

..with many labels such as CD, TG, TS and TV. I find the lines rather blurred myself but I think based on my reading, I would be considered Transgendered.

Having said that, everyone seems to apply different definitions to these labels so at the end of the equation, I'm not sure it matters, the label but rather how you feel about yourself and what label works best for your own particular definition.

:hugs::2c:

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Originally Posted by Nessa88

Tgirl or Tranny is VERY offensive to most Transgendered people. Almost as offensive as the N-word is to black people.

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Not necessarily most? Tranny has been widely used as shorthand for transgender now, for years - go to Manchester, for example and you'll find it full of people very happy to be called Tgirls (a few thousand this weekend)..

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Second off, Crossdressers and Transgendered people are NOT the same. The difference is obvious. We live as men and not full time as women. Transgendered people live FULL TIME as the other gender.

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Actually, the difference between TS and what you call CD can often be very blurred..


The word with the least amount of baggage seems to be 'trans'?

TS I, thought meant transsexual (person who has changed their bodies to be the opposite sex).TG meant transgendered (person with the wrong body for their identity) and CD meant cross dresser(person who just ears clothing of the opposite sex)
T-girl confuses me. I'm really a transgendered male.

Transexual - transdendered - transvestite. Quite clear actually.

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Originally Posted by Nicki B

Not necessarily most? Tranny has been widely used as shorthand for transgender now, for years - go to Manchester, for example and you'll find it full of people very happy to be called Tgirls (a few thousand this weekend)..



Actually, the difference between TS and what you call CD can often be very blurred..


The word with the least amount of baggage seems to be 'trans'?

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Try saying that to my Transgendered friend, she wouldn't be happy.

Tg for me.If I could give up my birth given body I would in a heartbeat:battingeyelashes:

A transsexual is someone who is predisposed to identify with the opposite sex, sometimes to the point of undergoing sex change surgery. ( Websters)

That sounds more like us.