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I'd have to disagree. When people are in a pool they swim, they drown and they float. I know from personal experience the GGs I sometimes see, thier looks can be very androgenous. So passing is very subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karren Hutton
I think that my passability ends after pics and video chat. I am still working on my walk and talk. But if we are just talking about pictures I think I'm an 8. As far as being outside, I've never been so let's say a 5
I think Im a 4-5 only as Im 5'11, broad shoulders, big feet and hands! But I do make a pretty transgendered girl :)
Being 2,543,765.83 feet tall kinda takes me out of the realm of passability. But that's ok! I love what I do, regardless! :)
Good question.
To start with, there are MANY girls here that I think could pass easily that rate them selves far lower than I would rate them. I think some of us are too hard on our selves.
I'd like to think I pass, but I know I don't sometimes. I've been out quite a bit & I have always been treated as the lady I present. I would have to say I'm about a 7 on the passability scale. I've tried to ask my wife and she says she can't judge because she still sees me as the same person. I think I'll post a video here & get everyone's opinion.
but in the end, I'm glad I can just get out and enjoy presenting as the girl I like to be.
Like Kim, I would rate myself much lower than perhaps others would. I liken it to when I used to build furniture. People would gush over it, saying it was museum-quality, etc. but I would know every nick, every bad join, every warp and more. We are great at seeing our faults where others see nothing.
I am 5'10" tall. I have hands big enough for a full-octave reach or more on the piano. Though I am getting laser - and it is working great - there is still a bit of shadow on a very masculine face. I have very little fat to smooth my appearance, so every vein, muscle, and tendon just 'pops' out of my skin. With all that taken into account, I would say that my 'passing score' is around a 4-5 as a woman. As my makeup skills have increased from the disastrous attempts of my earlier outings, I get much fewer, "Whoa, dude! That's a dude!!" these days. :)
That said, I have another passing score; As Kathi, I pass as a perfect 10! Whether they see me as a man or as a woman, I take great pains to ensure that they see me as me. I don't try to disguise my voice or my mannerisms or anything else. What you see - whether good or bad - is what you get with me. I love it because I am comfortable as me - which is good because I don't know how to be anyone else!
:)
Kathi
P.S. Remember that GGs are tall too. I'm 5'10" and a I wear high heels (3 inchers) most days of the week now. (Wedges are so awesome!)
Don't let being tall make you feel less womanly.
Even though I'm tall and fairly heavy I can sometimes pass (especially at night) as long as I don't have to talk....
Karen, I think after looking at your pictures that you are close to a 9 or 10 as far as passing. I don't know about your voice but you do look good.
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Originally Posted by Stephanie Miller
My sentiments exactly! This weekend at a restaurant my wife noticed a group of ladies seated at a table close to ours (I was in boy mode) and said are those men? All of them had on cute little hats -- I answered "If they are there doing a good job" --well they were not CD's; my wifes radar is up all the time! The fact is it can be hard to tell and I like to put myself in this catagory -- as for a number ? not sure. My wife says I look like a man in a dress, my sister-in-law discribed a pic of me as a Kim Novak look alike - so if it's a number maybe a 5
As what areas I need help with,voice and all maner of male dead give aways that we all stumble over when trying to present as female
:)
I agree with Karren...
When somebody passes (on), they are dead.
You can't be "a little bit" dead. You either "passed on" or you are alive.
It is not a judgement you can personally surmise. It is based upon the acceptance by outsiders. "Beauty is always through the eyes of the beer-holder, er, ah...beholder. :heehee:
It is sort of like asking somebody if they think they should be President, lol.
:love:
I can fool some of the people all of the time
I can fool all of the people some of the time
No way could I fool all of the people all the time
All I can do is look my best and hope I get treated with respect :)
0/10. I'm 60lbs away from my goal of 140lbs. Face looks fat and belly is fat. I guess I'm normal weight for males my age, but that isn't who I want to be.
At 60 its getting more and more difficult to look the way I like to look I'm very fortunate to be 5'9" medium frame with small hands that in now way could ever palm more than a soccerball at most. With artificial nails they look quite feminine. My weight could stand to be about 25 lbs less but it hides very well in a tightlaced corset and I still need to pad the hips. I have totally passed and really had people shocked when I tell them I am male and on the very same day seen GG's whispering to their husbands about me (suspecting they read me). I do enjoy dressing a little more provocative than most GG's of my age so that could contribute to me not passing as well as I might.
I think I have the mannerisms down pretty well as in walking with shorter steps holding my shoulders back and my head up plus keeping my arms closer to my body. so many men walk like weight lifters. Key here is wherever you are to act like you own the place. Shyness gives you away faster than anything. I'm also fortunate that my beard has always been very light in color so I don't have a shadow. Arm hair is also light in color but heavier than most GG's so I try to keep it trimmed but not shaved, thus making winter dressing a lot easier to pass than summer.
Most of us here only know each other from avatars and photos so its mostly our faces and hair that can be critiqued. Makeup application and color is so important. It has to be the correct color for your skin tone and eye color Eye brows are critical as well. I'm so glad to see those very thin eyebrows starting to become less popular on most GG's. A nice smile and white teeth also help the illusion. I get compliments all the time on my "beautiful smile" when I am on cam and as I have mentioned before I've received out of the blue compliments on my hair (wigs) from total strangers while out. Voice is somewhat important. while mine is by no means very feminine it is also not real deep and masculine unless I try to make it that way. I have several conversations with others while out en femme and no one acts surprized just by hearing my voice.
This leaves the one thing I personally think has helped me the most. I've said here before if I can at a minium make others think that perhaps I just used to be a man but not anymore I feel great. What does that the most is my ability to create believable cleavage. I feel very blessed that I can make my chest look as though I have natural breast or had implants. They really do draw attention away from the rest of me without looking unreal or out of place for my size. I try to show my cleavage tastefully leaving it to the imigination of those noticing it if its real or not.
If I could do anything at all to look more passable it would be perhaps botox on some wrinkels and laughlines and to lose some weight so I could look all the time like I do when corseted. I am afraid if I lost 25 lbs my cleavage would suffer but I could compensate somehow for that.
Also agree with several others here that what enviroment you in makes a huge differance in passablity. Darker clubs being best daytime in the park where others are overly protective of watching out for weirdos the hardest
I would say that I dont pass do to my chin (manly) my adams apple (not huge but is there for sure) lack of hips and butt. The fact that I am 6 2" with a weight hovering around 200 I would like to lose about 20 more lbs bringing me to 180. I am a size 12/14 when I am dressing and I think I blend pretty good. I recently got to test that theory and I have to say I loved it, I am pretty sure that the guy hosts at the restaurant noticed but Whatever, The waitress we had was very nice to me. So I will give myself a 5 on passability. Either I do or I don't but does it really matter as long as we are happy. Blendability I would rate myself a 7.5
But as Shenanigans stated women come in all different sizes, shapes, weights, facial structure. We are all unique and we should all just be ourselves. I think we all tend to think passability has to be on the lines of say Megan Fox, Heather Locklear, Helen Hunt, But then again we have Rosie Odonell, Roseanne, and any other woman out there that might have a bit more masculine aspects. But in all this my confidence is rising about being around others. Oh yeah my voice in person I guess is also very good so I will give that an 8. that gives me an average of 6.8
Well said Keri. At best most of us can only hope to look average and there are a lot of attractive average women out thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Kerigirl2009
My passing or not passing has only been tested a few times. And the places were clubs where gays, straight men and women and TGs gather together. One night a TS friend of mine went over to talk to a man that she knew. He said to her," please tell me that gorgous blond you are sitting with is not one of you." So if it's a dark club, I guess I'm about an 8. But in bright lights or daytime, the best Icould hope for is a 2...IF THAT. LOL
exactly. also if they're asian. white ppl all look the same to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karren Hutton
I think that I possibly could be a 7 out of 10 as I have had great comments on my photos. I try to be more causal when I dress, and don't overdo the makeup. I am at least 6ft. 2in. in my boots and shoes, but I do not have real broad shoulders. I always try to keep my weight in check.
built like a tackle on the football team (no never played it), at 5-10 200+ pounds hard to hide. would rather be 5-1 and 100 pounds dripping wet.
for tops i must have a 22 or a xl, and for skirts a size 12.
but if only to just be treated as dressed would be the best one could ask for. and so far no problems to speak of.
Loni
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I gotta say passibilty is a myth I don't think there's really anything to it now days. Back in 2007 when I joined this this site I personally NEVER believed I could pass less along survive if I transitioned. Now days my attitude has changed dramatically. For One once I decided to grow my hair out back in 07. (almost a full year and a half before if started my transition) people would always call me ma'am or miss. And it actually got to a point where I became really uncomfortable using public restrooms as if I was coming out as someone was coming in they always had to do a double take at the restroom sign. That wouldn't have been so bad if I hadnt always been in drab at the time and a trucker. So if I had to rate myself I would have to say a solid 9 or 10. I don't even have to try to pass or hide anything. I'm just me the girl I should have always been. And personally I say the hell with What other people think all that really matters is that your happy being you.
Hear, hear Karren...my sentiments exactly. While I might think I'm a 7 I'm prejudiced. I just want to look my best and be out and about without being giggled at, pointed to all the time or harassed in any way. Just let me shop till I drop and I'm a happy gal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karren Hutton
I wouldn't even guess what my "Pass" marks are,for if I aim too high,Ppl will probably go "no you bloody aint":heehee: At a push I think on a good day,I would be a 3.
My biggest preblem Even after 10 years of dressing,and/or going out Is that I still haven't mastered Foundation,still get the shadow showing thru AND it grows that damned fast.
If I can feel confident going out that is the best I can achieve and am happy with that
Sophie
I have no idea on a 1-10 scale and tend not to worry about where I fall but instead just dress to fit in with those around me which seems to work the majority of the day and night.
How passable? I couldn't pass in a coal mine during a blackout while there was a total eclipse.
Well Shananigans when I went to that CD gathering, I was the tallest, and the one I was chatting with the most was "I had no idea how tall you are". LOL. Yes I was in heels, and I was tall. Didn't matter cause yes there are some tall women out there, and they are gorgeous too.
Fact: The average height of a runway model is 5'9"-6'0"...without heels. Cindy Crawford is 5'10." Long legs look great in heels and clothes generally hang great on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythos
So, yeah, what's the problem with being tall? I don't see any.
I think we need to move away from the concept of passability (meaning being mistaken for female) and look more towards presentation. By that, I mean that we take the time to present ourselves in a manner that is confident, well constructed (outfit coordinated and seasonal), and with a smile and an openness to the world. It does not matter whether you pass as female but that the world sees you as a well put together transgendered person, no matter what size or shape you are.
I would like to be able to be 6 inches shorter.. but thats not happening so I have to go out as a tall woman over 60
Heck, I don't know..but small towns make it harder coz everybody knows your name!! Cheers!! (now mind your own business!!)
But pre wig i'd say 0... Now my wig has arrived a non speaking me maybe a 5.5.. If i had someone do a make up job, possibly a 7... dunno..
You be the judge, I put some pics up in my what completes you thread...
I..
Probably 4-5 : I'm 175cm (5ft 9in), which is tall for a female but I'm roughly the same height as mose girls my age here in town. The main thing is I had a bulky build and makeup is tricky for me (the wig is not the best, but it's the least of my worries.
Last year I had people I knew walk pass when I was en femme and they were like "Hi" [two-second pause] "Hey, what the hell?"
Jeremy Corbett: "News this week - the wedding of the century. We all knew it was just a matter of time, and finally, the day is here."
[Paul Ego and Dai Henwood walk out dressed as bride and groom respectively]
Paul Ego: "I'm only doing this because I'm pregnant."
Two of my loves combined: New Zealand current affairs comedy game show 7 Days, and crossdressing.
i know this has nothing to do with the thread and for that im sorry but AWESOME! i love those things too! ur the first person from this forum ive seen thats from NZ, im from Napier. we should catch up some time.
I'm 5'10" and weigh 225. I wear a size 20. But I have a full head of thick wavy hair and my lips are full. My fat neck hides my Adams apple. Because of these things and my age (61) I can pass whenever I want to. The other day I was in the checkout line at our Aldi grocery store. The line was long and I was at the end of it. A lady opened another register and a shopper near her started to get in line. As I pushed my cart over, the shopper said to the checkout lady, " Take her first, she has been waiting in line and I just got here." I was wearing jeans, men's shoes, and a pullover shirt. Now, my hair is fem but I wasn't trying to pass. People see what they expect to see. I need help with my voice though. My picture is posted on my personal page if you want to take a look. Leanne
also so far id say im about a 5 or 6 but i have always had no confidence...but see for urselves, i have a post in the picture and video forum, under 'first time in something other than lingerie'. let me know what u think. im still waiting for a wig but im rating myself on head down atm, im sure once i get a wig the rating will go down quite a lot as makeup, earings etc will come into it and i really have no idea what im doing atm. im still a baby when it comes to this. but im so keen to learn so if anyone has any advise please let me know! i really want to get out there in the outside world and strut my stuff as the real lady i am!
ive been told my body is passable but when it comes to my face its the nose and jawline that gives me up . I will post a few pics soon and see if you agree or have tips
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I'm going to sound like an egomaniac, but my passability is at 9/10, with the voice needing work. Mind you, my voice is fine, but I need more practice time with it to improve my intonations and maybe doing better pitch shifting.
I'm either 5'8" or 5" 11" depends on the doctor you ask, yea - they are suppose to be the smarter ones ! I probably do not pass at all since I really cannot do makeup but I do keep practicing. I weigh 198 lbs. My gut is one of my bigger problems but it just does not seem to go away. I just keep losing weight from my skinny rump. As far as my voice, I seem to pass at the McDonalds drive thru when getting a diet cola along the interstate. That is all I know and where I am at presently. I just look forward to growing more.
If I said 100% I would be telling a small porkie pie. Anybody in the Stoke on Trent area willling to help me to look more presentable???
0 out of 10, because I don't go for passing. I go for looking put together and confident in a skirt (or a dress) and heels as a man.
I'd have to agree. Definitely a 9/10. Thats something I love about being Asian. Now if I could only cover up this giant bump in my throat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexine
when it comes to passing I think I'll pass.
why is this important? First of all, so few males pass as females it is ridiculous. Even transsexuals don't always fit the passability test. Second, if you don't want anyone to notice you, wear jeans and a sweatshirt
And that's the subtle truth of the matter, isn't it. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorileah
Veronica
Anytime I want to be out and not advertise I am a CD that is exactly what I wear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorileah
Nice feminine stylish jeans a top with some form of sleeve to hide my upper arms and shoulders with appropriate shoes for the season Not heels
As to Why is it important?
"If anything is worth doing its worth doing right"
Thats just the way I am
Karen is right as usual. What was the old song, "Don't Worry, Be Happy"? If Karen can't pass, then why should the rest of us worry? The ladys on this site that seem the most admired (Karen and TX Kimberly) don't seem to sweat the small stuff. I just received a new "accessory" that makes me feel pretty good but why should I worry if "The People of Walmart" are out for a photo shoot? Most of us don't need to go out to enjoy ourselves. "Don't Worry, Be Happy".
I don´t pass as a woman. Rate me in 0 or 1. When I go out dresseed I only try to have the best posible presentation.
I live full time as 'Marie' with no problems to date. I think I pass fairly well unless someone gets too close. Even my voice doesn't usually give me away thanks to th "Changing Keys" voice training provided by the Trans Health Program here. I do get 'read', though, but it doesn't seem to matter much here in Vancouver.
On a related note, I had a nice experience today. I was perusing the hosiery section in my usual supermarket (trying to find where hey had hidden the 'trouser socks' - behind the 'knee highs', Grrr!). A shelf stock clerk wanted to get by me with a dolly of merchandise. He said "Excuse me, ma'am" and then looked at me closer and corrected himself by saying (wait for it) "Excuse me, miss".
He'll never know how close he got to a transgendered kiss! I'm 61.
Passability: 0, unless imaginary numbers are allowed, then it would be -37i.
Need help with: new body, new face, new personality.
Yeah, it's a good thing I'd a casual CD, I think.
I went out in public for halloween a few years ago, dressed as a rocker girl, and I would probably been a 3 to 5 on passing, I actually have a butt compared to a lot of guys, plus I was 5 9 or 510 at 160 and now im 511 at 170. So Idk what I am anymore :S...but I'm getting a makeover soon :)
Well, since I am one of those dirty 'closeted" crossdressers, I have no idea. I would probably say about a 4 out of 10 due to the following reasons:
5'10"
300 lbs
shoulders like an NFL lineman, and
a voice that would make Barry White sound like a church mouse :(
I'd say 2/10, maybe 3/10 at best on a good day with a dark moonless night. From the shoulders down would work with no problem. However, above the shoulders is a different story and would require major professional help and $$$ to even have a shot...
oh yes, it's true. me too. so sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariaOfCalifornia
concerning the size i am 5.8 but as a woman i would like to be about 5.1/5.2