My wife and me have the fantasy to be a couple of lesbians. As she is my Mistress and the only being human I 'm attracted for , I could say Im 100 % hetero
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My wife and me have the fantasy to be a couple of lesbians. As she is my Mistress and the only being human I 'm attracted for , I could say Im 100 % hetero
Cindy, you must be tired of hearing the same old broken record, but I'm another, I've dressed since I was a small child, I'm in my late sixty's now, and I have never had any thoughts of making love with a man, just not in to it. I've been married to for 40 years and in that time, I've never thought about making love to any other women either, oh I look, and admire, but never think about doing anything about it. Besides, I think it would be hard to pick up a strange women, while wearing lace panties, and nylons.lol You've been married for twenty years, you just got surprised by a really big secret, I'm sure your husband hated keeping that secret from you, but many of us are filled with so much fear about how we will be accepted, it can be really hard to risk the results of telling, I know we should, but it is hard to do. But don't make the mistake that most make, sex and gender are not the same, I'm a macho type guy, that no one would think had a feminine thought in his head, even my own kids would be blown away by it. I was a trucker, did time in the service, and all those macho things, but at home, I love things that are soft, and pretty, and feminine, and after all this years, knowing it's something, I must do, I still have no idea, why, or where it comes from, but I know it's who I am, and I could not find happiest without it. I hope the two of you can work this out, where you can both be happy.
Tina B.
All men are at least a little bit female. After all, guys have both X and Y chromosomes. Some may be even a little bit more or less female.
As for erotic fantasies?? I'll bet there are more men that do, than men that don't fantasize about sex with another man. The reality might be something that a particular man might find totally fantastic and enjoyable. On the other hand, that person might find the actually having sex with another man as unpleasant. I would venture to suggest that male nature being what it is, many CDs would enjoy any male sexual encounter embellished by the presence of a gorgeous female as well.
Hey, just saying................
Hi Cindy.
Let me add even more to this "broken record". I had no idea I was transgendered until I was 55. At that point I had been married for 32 years. My wife and I discovered Tina together. Again, with that hindsight one can see glimpses of Tina in our marriage and in my life, but intimacy interest has always been women, and for the last 38 years that woman has been my wife. Tina is clearly a part of me! Oh, btw, my wife is also hetero so she has no interest in Tina as far as intimacy is concerned.
Yet, she and I talk about Tina as a third person. Tina and she talk about my male side as a third person. Just because Tina appeared doesn't mean that I have any interest in any one outside of our marriage! The fact is that my wife now has a husband and a girlfriend and our discussions about what it's like growing up as a girl, what it's like to live as a woman, and all the other details that husbands and wives never get a chance to talk about have enriched our relationship.
For us, the revelation of Tina has been amazing. You might find it to be just that as well!
Best wishes and welcome to our not so little group!
tina
Since no one can claim to have accurate statistics, I'll add another piece of anecdotal evidence:
I've only ever been attracted to women. Married for 10 years, and I told my wife about my CDing in the second year (and wish I had told her before we married). I am 100% monogamous. We have two beautiful children together. Because I no longer have anything to hide from her, we are closer than ever.
I don't know if the thread is still available but we used to have the ability to poll and the breakdown was like 2% gay, 48% Bi and 50% hetero. So saying the majority are straight isn't really true. Bi can cover a huge variation of people tho and really straight can too as if you read threads here many who claim to be straight have bi fantasies
as many earlier respondents have already noted, it doesn't really matter what proportion of CDers are straight, bi or gay. That has no bearing on an individual's sexual orientation. The OP already has an answer from her SO - who was honest enough to acknowledge his CDing - so its reasonable to believe that he'd also be honest about his sexual preferences.
That's why I always give my sexual orientation as a percentage. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorileah
Some people interpret bi to mean that one must be equally attracted to either sex. Others can interpret it to mean having any attraction at all towards the same sex. The distinction can be important if the person's attraction is so strong that he feels his life is not complete unless he is able to have both types of sexual experience.
It would be interesting to see the poll done again but with categories for heteroflexible or bicurious. It would also be interesting to see how many have acted on the attraction vs. just using it as an erotic fantasy.
Cindy, you've just encapsulated in one small paragraph the aggregate feelings of GGs who find out about the CDing after years of marriage. Many CDs here think their wives' disapproval is more about a dislike of the CDing and maybe this is true for some GGs, but it is overwhelmingly true that the biggest complaint is the loss of trust resulting from having been lied to.Quote:
Originally Posted by CINDYO
As to your question, you've seen the answers in this thread and also please consider that your husband has been with you for 24 years. This is a pretty good indication he is hetero. :) And if he hasn't cheated it is not likely he will start cheating now, least of all with men.
The 48% bi figure .. how much of this was fantasy, or a desire to be treated as a woman by a man in order to enhance feelings of femininity? There are just so many posts here that relate fantasies of being with men as being more about "feeling" or "being" a woman than an actual attraction to males. The men in these fantasies are faceless. They are just props.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorileah
Not saying there aren't bis here, just saying that I think 48% is on the high side. But then it's impossible to measure this accurately. Honestly, if there are studies about the percentage mix of sexual orientation among men in general, I'd say the same percentages would apply to CDs.
Can I just add one more point here? Not everybody will agree with me I know.
Can we really be so hard on a man for hiding his C.Ding from his wife?
I know its wrong but it’s also very easy to understand.
It’s hard to ask a wife to go on trusting her husband after keeping such a secret but with a secret like this perhaps understandable.
SUZY
So true. Usually, there is nothing with the man by his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReineD
Tack one up for hetero. I'm married with a two year old son. My wife and son are wonderful! I wouldn't trade them for the world. I do think that every guy/girl has questioned their sexuality one time or another. That does NOT make them gay or bi. They have to make a decision on what THEY like. Nothing wrong with personal preference.
I have been married for 27 years and fully enjoy using my man parts making love to my wife. I am only attracted to women. I have no desires of any kind to be with a man. I guess that makes me hetero.
Cindyo, i suspect that perhaps as many as 90% are straight, 2% transgendered and only 3% are gay. Gay men like "men" not women. My wife asked me the very same question when I came out to her. I actually thought it was funny that she could think I was gay! Of course, it is a fair question, I mean I had just told her that I like to wear women's clothes but I had had decades to come to grips with my cross dressing. I highly recommend you talk about it often and get as comfortable with this as you can. It's fair for you to ask anything. good luck
I am a little skeptical about that 80% hetero statistic. Look at all the closeted cd's and cd's who hide the fact from their SO's.. or go to great lengths to hide it, and suddenly they are going to be truthful about their sexuality? I think that the poll you mention might be closer to correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorileah
Instead of guessing, here are some statistics. Anyone is welcome to post additional statistics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra...al_orientation
- US (2011): 3.5% gay or bi, which leaves 97.5% hetero. Percentage of total pop that is TG = .3%.
- UK (2010): 1% gay, .5% bi, which leaves 98.5% hetero (with 3% "don't know").
- Australia (2003): 2% gay, 1% bi, 97% hetero (with 8% bi curious).
- Canada (2003): 1% gay, 1% bi, which leaves 98% hetero.
- Denmark (1992): 3% gay or bi, which leaves 97% hetero.
- France (1992): 4% gay or bi (at least one experience), which leaves 96% hetero.
- Norway (1998): 3% gay or bi (at least one experience), which leaves 97% hetero.
I really find it hard to believe that as much as 50% CDs would be gay or bi based on these figures, especially since sexual orientation has nothing to do with gender ID. Even if you double the above gay/bi statistics to apply to TGs, it would still mean that over 90% of TGs are hetero.
I always considered myself totally hetero, but the last couple of years I find myself attracted to passable CD's. So I'm not exactly sure where that puts me....
100% hetero and happily married for 14 years. My wife actually dislikes my taste in music more than my taste in clothes...
I only pretend to be hetero so I can pick up chicks.:heehee:
I looked at the link you provided and it seems as though those statistics are pretty much a WAG. complete with if's ands, buts and disclaimers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReineD
can't we come up with a definitive percentage?
It can't be all that hard.......really.
You push away political agendas and religion aside, and you might actually get somewhere.
I'll keep it short and sweet. I love my wife and she loves me. (I'm the CD) anyway, is it so hard to believe that she, a full fleged female like to wear men's clothing and do men's things while I, a fully fledged man, likes to wear women's clothes and do women's things? Both facts only show that words like "gender," "fledged," and "fully" are a matter of perspective.
And that's all I have to say about that.
My personal analysis of being out & about amongst other CD/TG folks 50% bi/ 50% straight....not as many committed gay, but a few transitioned TS, that are somewhe between straight/bi/gay. I've discovered some who are gay/bi curious, but ni'm not that into it.....mainly because I'm boring.
Keep in mind that this forum is not an actual representation of statistics. I have it good because I'm somewhere between Philadelphia and NY City, and I reach Boston and DC as well. I can' speak for Kansas City or Denver or the rural areas in between.
Nathalie, I think that it is very hard too get any truly meaningful data on the "T" side of the LGBT statistics. Many people in the "LGB" side are still in the closet, however, maybe enough are out now to make their stats reliable. There is a completely different story when we get to the "T" part. Most of us are in the closet to the real world, use pseudo names to represent who we are and to hide behind so that no one can trace our memberships in various forums, etc. back to the real us. The recent thread on a college wanting to ask about someone's "T' leanings in order to try to direct some specific scholarships funds their way was highly criticized as being unworkable and potentially very "outing" to whoever answers those questions truthfully. I liked the idea but am concerned about anyone's ability in today's world to keep that info truly secure and private. Therefore, most of us are really very hard to accurately count to be able to come up with reliable and fairly accurate statistics that could be meaningfully utilized for other constructive purposes.
If someone knows where better data is, great, but in over 4 years here, no one has come up with any good ones for us "T" people.
Kel, I don't know where you see the WAG. Here are the original sources for the statistics. If you disagree with the validity of these sources, then please do post alternatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by kellycan27
- US: http://services.law.ucla.edu/william...LGBT-Final.pdf
- UK: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11398629
- Australia: "Sex in Australia - The Australian study of health and relationships", Australian Research Centre in Sex, Health and Society. (Published as the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Public Health vol 27 no 2.)
- Canada: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quoti...40615b-eng.htm
You can look at the references below the article for the rest.
Hi, I am another CD that is 100% Hetero, since I was a kid I found this fascination for females clothes, but it has always been a fascination about the fabrics and the excitement of being doing something that was "prohibited" for a boy and nobody knows I do, after the time my love for crossdressing was growing, I then I realized that it can be used as a great hobby for me, an easy way of having a lot of fun with out hurting anyone and also it works as a good stress relief.
Now I can tell for sure that I'm 100% hetero, really in love of my GG SO, and that crossdressing for me is just a huge hobby that doesnt hurt anybody (just like people who enjoy watching a lot of movies) and that is a great and healthy stress relief (way healthier than smoking a cigarrete or having a drink)
I also think that one of the reasons that I do this is that I like women so much that maybe thats why I like to fantasize of me being a woman, but I still think that what I enjoy the most about crossdressing is the way this other fabrics feel in my body, plus the reason of doing something that no one even imagine I am doing it and knowing that I have the power to do it.
This is the very first paragraph of the article you linkedQuote:
Originally Posted by ReineD
The demographics of sexual orientation are difficult to establish for a variety of reasons. One of the major reasons for the difference in statistical findings regarding homosexuality and bisexuality has to do with the nature of the research questions. Major research studies on sexual orientation are discussed. Most of the studies listed below rely on self-report data, which poses challenges to researchers inquiring into sensitive subject matter. More importantly, the studies tend to pose two different sets of questions. One set examines self-report data of same-sex sexual experiences and attractions while the other set examines self-report data of personal identification as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. Fewer research subjects identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual than report having sexual experiences or attraction to a person of the same sex. Several studies of sexual orientation in various countries provide comparative perspectives. Tables comparing several U.S. cities' population numbers are also included.
I am yet another completely heterosexual crossdresser! I have never had fantasies about guys, but I love dressing up as a woman. Now I have often had fantasies about being a woman and being with a woman, so if I am anything but a straight guy, I am a lesbian girl... :)
In any credible study, researchers are bound to report any difficulties in obtaining results. Admittedly, there are difficulties in measuring something like this. But this doesn't mean that the research is invalid. If you read the independent sources, you will see that the statistical reporting is quite thorough and any variance in results is explained.Quote:
Originally Posted by kellycan27
What I'm saying is, there are people in the field who do measure these things and their findings are certainly more accurate than any "guesses" we might make in this forum based on our own individual limited views and personal experiences, mine included.
That facts are in... if you subtract the percentage of cd's that are gay or bi or transsexual, you will have the percentage of heterosexual cd's.
I looked at the Canadian figures and read the explanation there, and I looked further and found the Stats Canada figures on transgender and transsexuals.
The Stats Canada figures on transgender and transsexuals are, paraphrasing, "We don't have estimates for this at all, but meanwhile for your reading enjoyment, here are some links to some numbers that are related to sexual identity rather than having anything to do with gender".
It doesn't even qualify as a WAG: it is a plain "We have no idea".
I looked at the only available Stats Canada sexual identity figures for my province, numbers from 2003. Looking at those numbers, and comparing them to some figures I was given first-hand last night, it would appear that fully half of the people in my province who identify as homosexual or bisexual, are currently signed up for (paid) memberships in the main GBLT bar in my city. There are two other active GBLT bars as well. So either we have an amazingly high participation rate, or else the figures are somewhat inaccurate.
How about...How many CDs will give you a "straight" answer? lol.
Asking that question on this forum is almost like asking how many people "lie". lol
Considering that there does not seem to be any agreement or accuracy in any of the attempts to estimate the total number of CDs to begin with...it is not
realistic to expect any accuracy in any attempts to estimate breakdown categories of an unknown population. That is just my logical opinion.
So, that means all you can expect is WAGuessing and opinions...which of course are often presented as "facts",:D
It is like asking somebody like me if I quit smoking. My answer is "yes", I quit smoking, because it was getting way out of control. Now, the only time I smoke is when I want a cigarette, lol.
I have seen many indirect "answers" relating to your question on this forum that amount to..."I'm not "gay". I'm only attracted to "men" when I am
cross-dressed". Now, explain to me just what the h**l that is supposed to mean? heheheee. Is that some concept like a "Mulligan" in golf. Or "it does not count" because you opened your eyes in hide-n-seek? Or "it wasn't me...it was "her"...(imaginary friend)...lol
This is a world where people redefine, modify and "technically" expand definitions and interpretations of their behavior to justify just about anything they do not wish to be held responsible for.
I also agree with the option of just confining your focus and interpretations to your particular circumstances and your SO. That, I can assure you, will be
confusing enough...
But, if you must know...here is an answer for you...
4 out of every 3 men are hetero. 40% of half of them are CD, with another 75% of the 26% that are lying being bi-sexual. But only 82% of those individuals are being honest with themselves, leaving the remaining 18% engaging in self deception. Plus, 98% of that 18% blame their unacceptable behavior or desires on an imaginary "friend", that is actually claimed to be an existing, but separate personality of a person that exists in their mind, but not in reality...that has nothing to do with any type of personality disorder.
Unfortunately, it is a fact that 12 out of every 9 CDs have a problem with math...
I hope that clears things up for you...:heehee:
good luck,
:love:
Actually, this is what I suspected. The number of transgendered men who consider themselves attracted exclusively to men (gay) would be smaller than the overall male population.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReineD
Remember, that transgendered MTF think women are beautiful, sexually attractive, and want to be beautiful and sexy themselves.
Ironically, even when an MTF transgender is attracted to men, it is only AS A WOMAN. So in their minds and experience, even this is "heterosexual". Being seduced by men makes them feel more feminine and attractive, even if they don't actually have sex with them.
On the flip side, they can easily justify their attraction to woman as being heterosexual because they are genetic male attracted to female.
There aren't as many MTFs who are "true lesbians", who would RATHER have lesbian style sex than sexual activities that involve using their male anatomy as male anatomy..
Dates with a "real lesbian" were always amazing, because it was such a sensual experience.
As one t-girl put it, I'm tri-sexual, I'll try anything once, and more if I like it.
When you're transgendered you have the 1-6 kinsey scale of sexual preference, and a similar 1-6 scale for sexual identity,allowing for 36 possible combinations from M1-M6 (yuck) to G6-G6 (Wow!).
And then there is the identity of the partner, which could also be 1-6 for identity.
I've particularly enjoyed being totally fem with a woman who is slightly more masculine and aggressive. She can seduce me. And often considers it a real turn-on that she can be "the guy" and be in control of the action.
i am a bit different... definatly learning to accept the fact that if the right guy were to come around id definatly be a switch hitter... nikki is totally straight girl who wants a older redneck country man to take care of her.. but whats left of nick wants a strong masculine but attractive woman to care for him... either way definatly the submissive party
Cindy
You are making the mistake of confusing gender and sexual orientation. These are two separate drives which are often linked culturally but individually there is no link. This is just the same as a women who can be a tomboy but that does not mean she is lesbian. Most women have the same reaction as you, believing that this has to do with sexual orientation but usually it is not.
Additionally many crossdressers do not dress for gender reasons - ie there is no female spirit living inside them. Many dress solely for pleasure or relaxation combining elements of role-playing, fantasy and escapism as well as a physical delight in the clothes themselves.
You should listen to what your husband tells you rather than seek answers from the experiences of others. Everyone is different and unique so only his answers are important.
This thread and the statistics above are about sexual orientation, not about gender ID. I've just looked at the Canadian link, and I didn't see anything about TGs. Did I miss something? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sandra-leigh
Anyway, I did post these rather quickly since they seemed at least more credible than just opinions and guesses. I did not read all the sources for all the countries, since they seemed fairly consistent with one another and I felt this pointed to some level of veracity.
The US source is the most recent. Have a look. The data comes from eleven different surveys. I'll have a closer look when I have more time.
But, considering that people may have tendencies to under report their gay or bisexual activities, the 1%-3% across the board might be low. Or, it could be entirely accurate depending on the sample. One would have to see the raw data from all the studies to determine this. But, to say they are as high as was suggested in prior posts is, I think, wishful thinking.
Also, if we cannot believe any of the stats because they are based on self-reports and self-reports are never accurate, then maybe we should not believe that anyone here is who they say they are? :)
... d*mn I'm busted now. I'm not really a GG. :D
Whoever wants to make me happy in life, spoil me, love me, and make love to me is who I am going with. No matter what orientation, or gender they are. Although I identify more with the homosexual population. :)
The question that needs to be asked to answer whether you are Hetero or not is "Are you capable of loving another man?' Everything else is just sex. Good sex but still just sex.
Kitty
Is there a way to take a survey of the members of this group?
It seems that there are very few such surveys actually being done.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality
cites only two studies one surveyed only 47 post-op MTF respondents.
Ideally, the survey would include at least a few questions. Including:
1 - On a scale of 1 to 6 with 1 being attracted ONLY to ANY member of the Opposite sex to 6 being attracted ONLY to ANY member of the same sex, rate your preference.
1 - I am only attracted to women and attracted to most women.
2 - I am only attracted to certain women and find a few men attractive
3 - I am mostly attracted to women but find many men attractive
4 - I am mostly attracted to men, but find many women attractive
5 - I am only attracted to certain men and find a few women attractive
6 - I am only attracted to men and attracted to most men.
On a scale of 1 to 6 - rate your sexual identity
1 - Living almost exclusively as a man
2 - Living as a man but like to get dressed up in women's clothing at home in private.
3 - Living as a man but like to get fully dressed up in women's clothing at home.
4 - Living as a man but like to go out as a girl occaisionally
5 - Would like to me a woman but don't want to give up benefits of being male.
6 - Would like to be a woman and if not actually transitioning, it's only because of limited resources or logistical issues.
What is your actual partner's actual gender
1 - Female
2 - TS or TG
3 - Male
Rate your actual partner's sexual identity.
1 - very feminine woman, and loves being a girl.
2 - an average woman, wears pants much of the time, dresses comfortably.
3 - a bit of a tom-boy, like to hang out with the guys, and has a lot of guy interests.
4 - very butch, one of the guys, even looks a bit like one.
5 - he (or she) is a gentleman, and a gentle and kind, but masculine.
6 - he (or she) is "All man", what a hunk!
What is your ideal partner's actual gender
1 - Female
2 - TS or TG
3 - Male
Rate your ideal partner's sexual identity.
1 - very feminine woman, and loves being a girl.
2 - an average woman, wears pants much of the time, dresses comfortably.
3 - a bit of a tom-boy, like to hang out with the guys, and has a lot of guy interests.
4 - very butch, one of the guys, even looks a bit like one.
5 - he (or she) is a gentleman, and a gentle and kind, but masculine.
6 - he (or she) is "All man", what a hunk!
Something like that would be an interesting survey that, if taken by a few hundred or a few thousand transgendered men might provide a better view of the overall TG population and our sexual preferences and practices. I don't know if specific pattern would emerge or not.
OH GREAT MAKER!!! THIS IS BRILLIANT!!!Quote:
Me doing girly things is akin to Danica Patrick driving race cars, and women in combat missions.
This is it in a nut shell!!!
I am so going to use this!
[SIZE="4"]I just enjoy being who I am, not really interested in other men, the thought just makes my skin crawl:eek: I prefer the real GG deal:)[/SIZE]
It's because women get all the cool clothes :(
Skirts, blouses, T shirts , pants , bows, hair ties, frilly stuff, more types of undies then you can shake a stick at, corsets,bras....and fun accessories.
What do guys get?
Dirty t-shirt or a Polo and a pair of jeans.... (boooo)
As for me, I am 100% hetro. I kind of think of myself as a lesbian in a male body.
Debbie I have to disagree with you post. You do not need all of those questions A true homosexual, wants and needs to love another man just like most of us can love our women. Homosexual men are not capable of loving a woman as a partner.
If you can love a woman, then any tendencies toward males is bisexual not homosexual. If
sometimes i think its all denial... i think they are all at least bisexual.. although i am identified as hetero also.. lately i think i could be bi.. but that being said.. i dont like men.. just other passable cds. and trans.... but my point is.. that dressing as a woman is a powerful emotional physical spiritual thing.. it can alter ones senses.. and therefor create a more sensitive type of experience.. a man is supposed to be a machine that pleases the woman.. this can be boring for a man.. a man might like to be pleased and stimulated also.. and appreciated... this type of thing leads to crossdressing.. i just shaved my legs.. and although i know its taboo in soceity.. i find it extremely gratifiying.. i have a touch of runners knee. and an old injury that makes me need to stretch my legs.. i find i am nicer to my body if im shaved ... that is.. its more interesting to slow down and do yoga or just balance myself better without the hair... ... remember... clothing and makeup and hair or whatever it is that is crossdressing is man made.. woman are not born with that stuff on and neither are men... it is an illusion that these things are feminine.. its just society saying so...
what we are expressing is something quite sophesticated.. and it involves a kind of truth about the self...
it is ok for a woman in soceity to remark how another woman is beautiful. but it is a double standard for men.. men are supposed to be farting hairy brutes... they also say that woman live longer than men.. i think its because woman are more attentive to their bodies.. and that is ultimatly what drives the crossdresser...
the clothes can be extremly sexualy stimulating.. in the heightened state the mind can wander free... but still i dont fantazise about men.. .. ever really... but i can imagine things that involved being touched .. not just ridden like a inanimate object...
furthermore.. a relationship is a relationship.. if two people love each other and give each other support.. then. they should remain true to each other.. fantasy has its place but reality is an unfortanate side effect of life... therefor i think if a man who is a cd.. loves a woman and she loves him. there is nothing to worry about..
i feel that women are the greatest of gods creations. i not only love women,i worship the ground they walk on.i love dressing but do not have any desire for men.in fact when im dressed all i can think about is my wife, and how i should be kneeling at her feet
So it comes back to this again. Unless the exact parameters are defined in the original hypothesis the study will contain major flaws.
Should we study transsexual who marry after transition? Would they be gay or straight? What about the TS's who WANT to marry but cannot because now they want to marry a woman?
The numbers Reine cites seem to be far below what is considered correct. 1%? when 10% of the population is thought to be gay? And of course what is "bi"? In college (and maybe there has been a sweeping change in the US since then) we considered sexual orientation to be a bell curve. Not a linear thing or a compartmentalized thing. I know this will ruffle a few feathers but in nature nothing is 100% anything. I believe it was Masters and Johnson who first pointed out that a significant number of males had some sort of homosexual experience sometime in their life and I think it even said to sexual completion. Ok I know (using Danica Patrick analogy again) driving a race car one time does not make you a race driver but have oral sex one time and you are.....(this is a PG rated site) for life.
The other thing is that on this site, as with everything on this site, you get a skewed response. If the first responder had said "I am out gay and proud!" there would have been more out and proud gays posting but the first responders were the "I am NOT GAY" people who planted the flag so that the followers would post. You are not going to get a good cross section in this forum. I refer again to the poll fro two years ago where maybe the question was asked differently. The results were almost even hetero/bi. I remember that time even stating that when a CD says they are "Lesbian" they could not be because they didn't have the right equipment (which even IF you accepted the Lesbian in a man's body idea you would be homosexual.). They were straight men in women's clothes who had sex with women. But I digress.
Once again, we seem to get the answers we expect, even if questionable, and we wave our flag that we were correct in our thesis with a flawed model. From the responses here I have read they do not align with many other threads out there as to orientation. I wonder where all the "When I am dressed I want to be treated like a lady and would date Brad Pitt" people are? Probably reading the "I feel just like a hooker" threads. I think maybe what we see in our mind (how many here believe they are actually a woman when they are dressed...if everyone says "no" I know they are in a different world in their minds) is far different than what is reality. Then again maybe I am one of the lucky ones who has come to grips with my "bi" sexuality
WHY DO WOMAN PAINT THERE NAILS?? is it only to attract men?? if so .. then men are attracted to it.. and therefor its naturaly for a man who is bored and interested to want to interact with such a thing...
but if woman pain their nails because they enjoy it.. then ultimatly it is not a sexual reproductive thing.. and who says a man cant enjoy it for the same reasons?? furthermore.. when i paint my toenails and walk around.. the mere visual heightening of my feet make me control my steps and posture in a way that i am otherwise to sloppy about.. this makes me refine myself.. it is healthy.. and it is ok...
The % of Transfolk that are completely Hetero? I am reminded of Great Church Minds in The 17th Century, trying to determine The Number of Angels that reside on The Head of A Pin! All we ever get is imaginative guesses. Most agree we can't even figure out The Actual % of Transfolk in The Population, let alone the numbers of The truly heterosexual.
And just to toss in another "monkey wrench." It's been my experience at least among the many hundreds of Gurls that I know, that there is a great deal of lying and self-deception going on about this subject. MOST have had "Fantasies," quite a few have had Bi-Sexual "Experiments," if you can get them to admit to it. But now we come to a second conundrum.....are they Bi-Sexual Experiences? If your Trans, and you think there is a separate Femme Persona; if she picks up a guy, is SHE doing something Gay, or HETEROSEXUAL? And then, do we have to count her among The Number of heterosexual crossdressers? Come to think of it, if one is transgendered, but only having relations with women, doesn't that make her A Lesbian? Can't really count That Lesbian Sister among The Heterosexual CD Population either, right?
Back to The "Fantasie's." As Jimmy Carter once said, "In My Heart I have sinned, because I thought about it!" Same Problem, if you've thought about The Act.....doesn't that kind of make you a non-heterosexual? At least that's true in Thought , if not in Deed.
Wait! When I started, I didn't think we could give you an answer. I thought it was unsolvable. Now, I think I might be wrong! After considering these "other" factors, I conclude that The Heterosexual CD Population is Zero , or 100% heterosexual! I have solved The Conundrum! I'm going to turn around and submit this "Thesis," and use it as a Base for my Doctoral Dissertation. My Brilliant thoughts are just as good as "The Experts" who always think they know Everything about being Transgendered. Just call me DOCTOR Joanie!
Peace and Love, Joanie
1 - On a scale of 1 to 6 with 1 being attracted ONLY to ANY member of the Opposite sex to 6 being attracted ONLY to ANY member of the same sex, rate your preference.Quote:
Originally Posted by DebbieL
1.25 - I am only attracted to women and attracted to certain women.
2 On a scale of 1 to 6 - rate your sexual identity - this question is misworded (I have answered what it appears to be asking since none of the options pertained to sexual identity but rather to gender)
7 - I am a woman
3 What is your actual partner's actual gender
0 - I am unattached
4 Rate your actual partner's sexual identity.
N/A
5 What is your ideal partner's actual gender
1 - Female
6 Rate your ideal partner's sexual identity. (same comment as for question 2)
1.5 Feminine woman who loves being a girl and dresses comfortably
I hope an MtF TS counts in your survey of "transgendered men" even though I never was really a man except in bodily appearanceQuote:
Originally Posted by DebbieL