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Someone was grossly over generalizing. Most men are straight, some are gay and some fall somewhere between the two. Speaking for the small percent that have some real bisexual experience, but have lived a long long time in hetero monogamous relationships, roughly 90/10 straight/bi.
Very close to 50/50. For me it's more about the experience and less about the plumbing.
This question was answered by the famous Kilt wearing 13th century mathatician Amos McDresser who was almost burnt at the stake for wearing his kilt above the knee. He confounded the inqusition by mathmaticly proving that everyone was a crossdresser.
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U can call yourself a fudge sundae for all I care, Krysti. And, you're certainly not the only one here who claims to change her orientation with her outfits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krysti
But, the fact remains you're ATTRACTED to both men and women. So, you'll always be "bi" to me!
I would have argued this point to the death with u when I first arrived here 5 years ago, BT. When I claimed to be "100% straight". While my attraction to men has not increased at all since then, I have learned so much about Sherry and T-girls that I don't include "100%" in defining my sexuality anymore!Quote:
Originally Posted by Badtranny
i'm 100% straight, 99 44/100's % of the time... :D
Actually, yes it does. Sexual relationships and sexuality are different between different genders. I actually preferred the friendships in the gay community because they were so open about their sexuality. There more than a few times when a guy made a pass at me, and I felt very flattered, and on a few occasions, even aroused. I'd even have fun dancing with other guys. I would usually shut down if he tried to kiss me, because I'd feel his stubble against mine and it would shut me down.Quote:
Originally Posted by tina 1103
I often went years between relationships between women, and even then she was the one who let me know - in no uncertain terms - than she wanted to play with me. Even when I was going down on girls in the coat room, the girls knew that all a girl had to do to have a really good time with a guy who ONLY wanted to please her with mouth and hands - was to wear a short skirt and heels, wait until I stopped being bashful looking away - and looked them right in the eye. Then they would ask me to help them find their coat so they could leave - push me down between her legs, and they new I wouldn't stop until she pushed me away because she was satisfied. When it came to actual sexual relationships, I didn't really even try to do the normal "Pick up chicks" thing. I had women friends who were prostitutes and I didn't even know they were prostitutes. One time, I even want to a store in Texas where the woman offered to "model some lingerie" for me, if I paid her, then tried strip naked and go for my groin. I'd paid the money and didn't get laid - so I truly couldn't get laid in a Texas Brothel.
Most of my second dates with women who did want to have sex with me, involved a U-haul trailer and/or at least making some room in my dresser drawers. I'm transsexual and have always considered myself a "girl trapped in a boy's body" and have usually made love like a lesbian. I'm also too small to be much use with what's between my legs to satisfy a woman. I'm a Lesbian, but my partners are usually bisexual. They like the social acceptability of having a male husband/boyfriend, but love that they have all the pleasures of a girl in the bedroom. I have had one true lesbian girl-friend, and she thought she was bi after dating me and tried to connect with an old boyfriend - it didn't work out very well for him.
Heterosexual relationships seem to be the most complicated. There's the social aspects, political aspects, economic elements, and the sexual elements. Even when things seem stable, the marriage changes things and suddenly the power, sex, and economic situation changes and there can be chaos. Too often, heterosexual sex is based on manipulation, control, force, and deception. Often, second marriages work better because the dynamics are understood and all of the elements are kept in balance. There was a point when I wanted to wash my dad's mouth out with soap for lying to me - he told me that I should save myself for marriage and that after I got married we could have all the sex we wanted. By the end of the 3rd year, we had stopped having sex almost entirely and after my son was born, we didn't have sex for 3 years, then it was a one night stand followed by another 3 year of platonic marriage. My wife became a bitter room-mate who took my money and gave me an allowance of $10/day for food, gas, and soft drinks.
My second wife knew about my dressing, she knew I was transgendered and transsexual, we talked over the phone for about 3 weeks before we met, and she was very much the aggressive one. After that first date, she realized that she had never had an experience like that with another man, and never would. She had experimented with women when she was in college, and realized that I was about as close as she could come to having a Lesbian Husband. Even today, she loves Debbie and only resists transition because she doesn't want to lose that social acceptability and the legal and property rights of a heterosexual wife.
Bingo! Whether we're TS, TG, CD, whether we prefer women, men, or both, we're queer as the proverbial three dollar bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badtranny
Being around a whole lot of pretty TG's at a gathering such as First Event,Beall,SCC,etc can really be confusing for some "straight" people. They become so attracted to the image and personna of the woman they see there,yet they then realize that "she is a he".and they were attracted.Oh well! Normal is just a setting on a washing machine,we are all a bit 'queer" and that's why we are here!
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Whoever told you that was wrong. For me I would never have gay sex! I think some men and women are bisexual where they are attracted to both sexes but I'm not one of them.
I suppose I identify as straight to the world but inwardly to myself I'm no doubt bi-sexual. I took the cogiati test the other day, answered honestly, and it said I was androgenous, the third sex, neither male nor female. I suppose it's true. Mentally, I'm probably gay as I find what men offer to be more pleasing than what women offer sexually.
Couldn't disagree more. I'm 0% gay and would NEVER even think of doing anything with a guy. Nothing wrong with it just not for me.
RAPE is not sexual. It's anger and rage and dominance. It is not about sex.Quote:
Originally Posted by LelaK
No, it is not at all reasonable, especially for such an active forum member. It's called crossdressing, and all kinds of us do it - straight, bi, gay. Don't we know by now the difference between sexual preference and occasional dressup fun?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badtranny
A Crossdresser who says "she" is 100% Straight is swimming in that river in Africa, the one called DeNial.
Gay, Bi, or straight doesn't matter unless you are actually having relations. And even then it only matters to those involved. At the least, for whatever reason we do this we are all ...Unusual. I wouldn't want to be just like anyone else anyway.
Like the tv commercial says...be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
I guess i would be considered Bi Sexual. I do enjoy the sexual aspect of being with a man but only the sexual part. I am not into kissing or cuddling etc... I perfer woman (my wife) and could never give that part up. i find woman so attractive and men not. But i do enjoy being the woman with a man or TS. I could never have a relationship with a man and i dont see a man and say wow he is hot , but i love to see a hot sexxy woman and check her out. I guess since i will have sex with men than i am Bi sexual but like i said just from a sex side. Does that make sense???
I can't give you a percentage; yet, I can tell you where it comes from, for men anyway. I'm basically straight; I don't see men as attractive or unattractive, I don't feel any sexual feelings towards men in any way, and beyond the basic concept of a guy being more attractive by being in better physical shape or height, I can't tell you why one is considered better looking than another, whereas I can with women.Quote:
If you're gay what percent are you straight?
The simplest test, I suppose, is the one I've suggested over and over for years; Sit on the boardwalk or beach, and when a really hot girl walks from one direction and a guy who you suppose is hot walks from the other direction, which way do you wind up looking (while in your mind, all that you can think about is 'oh my god I wish I could have that!!!!)? That will give you a very good idea of your innate sexual preference. Anything else comes from other psychological things going on.
For me, for decades I couldn't figure out why, when I'm sexually attracted to a woman, I have this feeling in the back of my mind to behave submissively to her sexually and have her take me as a man would take a woman, with me doing the 'girl things' and her doing the 'boy things'. It all comes from having been in a sexually intimate relationship as a child with an older male; I was essentially the girlfriend, he was my only source of affection. Withdraw the affection, and when I need it back, together with it comes the desire to have sex as a girl. Yet, I'm not turned on by the male body, find the scent rather nauseating, and the act itself, painful and unpleasant. So, simply having the desire to behave as a female sexually does not necessarily make someone a homosexual. Are there any homosexual feelings in me? Perhaps; but then, the mental connection of the past events to homosexual behavior may be what puts me off to it to such a degree.
Does that help?
You know I think it's funny that some of you are so quick to answer. People answer without even thinking about their answer. It would seem that those people live in a black and white world. Strange that they would be quick to answer a question that isn't so black and white with an answer that seem very absolute. After all if anyone should know better that the world isn't filled with totalities it would crossdressers.
I think those people that answered "100%" with a short answer should look infraspectively and answer again.
I'm not talking about me or the other members. In fact I believe I even said as much in that very post. I'm talking about the rest of the world, and you can pound your chest all you want but Joe Sixpack ain't gonna buy it until he meets a few Hetero CD's and I think we both know the odds on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by NicoleScott
I've said it before, you may indeed be exclusively hetero, but there is just no way a dude who puts on spaghetti straps and heels and giggles with his girlfriends about the color of their panties doesn't have at least a little sugar in his tank.
I mean really.
Is it O.K. to say that I disagree with you 100%. Do I fancy a man? Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr no!!!!!!!!:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by StarrOfDelite
And yes Briana, I do think before I answer. Really!:straightface:
Yes, there are all shades of grey but some of us are 100% straight and we know it. And we have the intelligence to know what we are talking about too. Really!:straightface:
I would probably fall into the 50/50 catagory so I guess that would make me bi. I haven't acted on any of those tendancys since I met my wife. I won't act on them again unless something falls apart in this relationship. But it doesn't stop me from thinking about it every once and a while.
Being dressed as a guy or crossdressing en femme doesn't change how I feel towards the individual. CDing can make me lean towards men, in a way of feeling more girly, but regardless if they are a woman or a man, its all about the connection between us :) My current partner carries the strongest connection I've ever had with another human.
I love her, dearly!
It really amazes me that people here that don't know me, think that they know more about me than I do.
There isn't any reasoning with some people. So I don't try.:brolleyes:
Great post. I agree with "The Test" you propose. I have done similar tests on myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by sometimes_miss
I think for many, there are still other reasons we dress as women and sometimes fantasize about being the woman in the act. I think it is part a need for power, a need to feel desired and wanted, and simply a way of expressing our affection and desire of the female form so much that we want to envelop ourselves with it. Immitating that which we desire.
Once we become arroused by this idea, the chemicals in our brains are flowing and our inhibitions are down. Intoxicated with lust. So, we start conjuring up images in our heads, taboo images, and start submitting to these fantasies. Then, when we are done, we try to figure out why we do what we do. The brain wants to be fed those chemicals, so it, along with our ego's, will "trick" us in to doing what it takes to deliver those goods.
You are correct it was just my attempt at a little humor :)Quote:
Originally Posted by docrobbysherry
I identify myself as 100% gay,,, that being said,,, as every person is an individual, logic would dictate that just because one chooses to CD does not in fact that they are str8 bi or gay,, merely that they choose to dress
Gee, I thought we all agreed CD'ing was about gender, not sexual preference. But If we are talking about sex, I'll have to say I'm not sure, while I've never been with a man, or wanted to be with a man, i did ask my self if I was gay when trying to figure out what this crossdressing was about. I figured since men didn't turn me on at all, I must not be gay. But since I have never been with anyone but my wife, for over 43 years, never thought about cheating on her with anyone of any gender, I have nothing to go on to answer a question like that.
I can now say that I am 100% Gay CD who is in the process of coming out and enjoying the real Regan.
If someone can ever figure out the answers to all these questions, please send them my way!
Are you trying to justify that no one is actually 100% gay or straight? I don't think you can. Lot's of people are 100%. Not me, but you cannot with certainty make that case. For myself, I'm straight unless dressed, then I'm about 90% straight. But go bii only if I feel like a woman. If I feel like a dude in a dress, I don't go for guys. I don't know why, but my bi-ness is absolutely tied to my genderness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Briana90802
In lieu of giving a percentage, I will just say that I find any form of sex between two men repulsive. Not trying to bash anyone and after a fair amount of research I have found that many more people in the general public find my cross dressing more repulsive than homosexuality. Haven't figured the "WHY" on that one yet.
I have always looked at the fact that I have been so enamored with everything female as the main reason I do it.
I am 100 % bisexual! LOL! But, seriously, for the sake of the OP: I've been putting myself forward very successfully as a male in several largely male-dominated professions for many years, and I'm comfortable in that role; I talk-the-talk and walk-the-walk of maleness when with fellow men. But, over my lifetime, particularly in my twenties and thirties (I'm in my late 50's now), I've had several outright sexual experiences with men and overall found it very satisfying (but short-lived, and honestly, somewhat embarrassing, too), because I found them cute, funny, and sexy in a sort of feminine kind of way, and apparently they found me so, too.
BUT, I love women and am totally sexually attracted to them, and would only ever live with a woman. And even though I am attracted to men I would never want to live with a man! And, by the way, I am very attracted to t-girls, too, and although I have yet to have spent any private time with a cute tgirl, I would love that, too! What sort of preference twist is that? Does it depend on whether I'm dressed or not? Hmmmm...
Overall I'm purposefully developing the ability to feel love and compassion for everyone, everywhere, who does not inflict cruelty and deprivation on the weak and helpless, and regardless of their genital equipment and sexual orientation, I'm pretty sure I could hang out with, and hug, kiss, and have sex with anyone who I'm feeling good about. So whoever has a mathematical approach they can apply, crank an equation on the foregoing and tell the OP what my percentages are.
Hugs, Elfin
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Originally Posted by AmandaM
Had to smile at that one
I'm definitely 100% straight.
Hmm.... This is a tricky one to answer.... for me... I would say that I'm very open minded about trying the things that I like. With that being said, so far I have only ever found women attractive. I'm not opossed to have a relationship with a man. I just have never found a man that I felt that way about. If one would happen to come along, then I probably would go with what I like. I'm not sure what "label" that even fits under. But that is me.
I have only been out to a club dressed en femm once. I did find it very flattering having men hit on me and buying me drinks. I never got that much attention being a guy. It was very alluring. I can see how a lot of us can be attracted to that attention when dressed. It is a LOT of fun.
I'm bi myself. I have a preference for men, but I swing both ways. But it and my crossdressing habits have nothing to do with each others.
What a thing to say ! Karren works in a coal mine ! It doesn't get any more black and white then that ! ( Just picking on you Karen. By the way when you get off work today , look up in the sky, that color you see we call "Blue"Quote:
Originally Posted by Briana90802
. On a serious note, some people do live in a black and white world. Or to then some subjects are black and white, yes or no. It does not invalaidate their world view because they do not agree with you. Also it seems a bit improper to ask a question in a forum, and then call someone 'deluded' for answering your question. And I agree with Karren, because you have given no guidelines as to what YOU consider gay or straight. As you may have noticed here, there are very few who will agree on a definition on anything.
Early on in my dressing i had this overwelming desire to go out dressed,but where?.Well i found this gay bar in a back alley.It would serve the purpose.I sat there for hours none of the gay guys seemed interested,(not even when they were drunk).When i left, it was the "straight" guys hitting on me.I never had enough courage to go to a "straight" bar dressed.I just did'nt think rednecks and alcohol would mix too well with a crossdresser drinking strawberry daiquiri's.I think these guys that hit on us are not 100% either.But because we are dressed as woman makes it ok.Months later i was at a straight bar in guy mode,i was sort'a drunk and i was talking to a nice looking girl.I asked her if she had ever been with another woman,she said "no,because i would like it too much".I commend her on this honesty.I thought about that for a long time and how that related to me
I would say that I'm 100 % straight I don't find men attractive nor do I. Want any kind of sex with them even when dressed. There are some members that look damn good as a woman but I still don't find them arousing.
For any academics on this board, you might find this interesting:
Sexual Arousal Patterns of Bisexual Men
Author(s): Gerulf Rieger, Meredith L. Chivers and J. Michael BaileyReviewed work(s):Source: Psychological Science, Vol. 16, No. 8 (Aug., 2005), pp. 579-584
Also I believe there was the Kinsey scale is what you're referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale
again -100% straight.
when i'm a guy i look for ladies though an attractive ts/cd might just be for eye-candy. i would feel uncomfortable around a ts/cd if i were not dressed up. guys, neh.
when i'm dressed up i still look for ladies primarily, a ts/cd maybe if she was well dressed and presentable, and guys not really.
At least 85% gay.something about women still stirs me up but men for me! And not just CDs,a big hairy mans man will do me :)
I wonder how many CDs feel the same way---I have no use for ultra "masculine" men but am very attracted to guys who are femmeQuote:
Originally Posted by docrobbysherry
Interesting. Here's a link to the article, and the Abstract:Quote:
Originally Posted by taylorangel
http://susiebright.blogs.com/bimen.pdf
Translation: Men who thought they were bi, were found to have had a marked preference for one sex over the other, just like the heterosexual and homosexual men. Most bisexual men appeared homosexual, and some bisexual men appeared heterosexual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexual Arousal Patterns of Bisexual Men - Abstract
EDIT - Never mind!!
The study was revisited 6 years later, in 2011:
http://www.thestranger.com/images/bl...thal_et_al.pdf
They said that in the 2005 study, they relied on self-reporting to determine bisexuality, that most of the bisexual men had been recruited from the same sources as the homosexual men, and it was likely that some of men who said they were bi, had never been with women.
In this study, they imposed more rigorous criteria for bisexuality. The men had to have had at least 2 relationships with members of each sex, and had to have been in a romantic relationship with at least one member of each sex for over 3 months. The 2011 study showed that bisexual men are sexually attracted to both men and women.
I like to think I'm 0% gay but most people who found out about my CDing would probably think 100% gay because they don't understand ... nor do they care to.
I think the way homosexuality applies to CDing is the same way as it applies to MUSIC or BASEBALL
... some people who play guitar or baseball are gay ... most are not.
There are probably many gay men who would never ever put on women's clothing.
However there are probably a lot of effeminate gay guys who also do CD ... and TG guys who like guys who dress in women's clothing ... so ... there is where the difficulty occurs ... they may have established it in the public eye and so now there is a stereotype .... CD = gay.
Oh well.
I came out as a crossdresser to my mom on my 40th birthday. Mom was 70.
She shared that she believed EVERYONE is bisexual, that is, able to give and receive sexual pleasure regardless of genitals.
100% Gay. I can say that a woman is pretty etc but when it comes to sex and/or a relationship it's only men I'm interested in.
When I was younger I worried I might be gay because I liked to wear womans clothes but have learned since that sexual orientation and gender orientation are 2 different things.Never been attracted to men or experimented with them.Now over 60 and started going to the gym lately and see naked guys in the shower or sauna and zero,nothing but look at some of those women working out or on the treadmill ,tight bodies,zero flab,red in the cheeks and a dribble of sweat on their forehead and chest and I know I'm still attracted to women.I 've been faithfull to my wife for over 24 yrs but they sure are "cute".