No. It's people's responsibility not to provide personally identifiable information, if they are worried about privacy.
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No. It's people's responsibility not to provide personally identifiable information, if they are worried about privacy.
but the question is Who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rianna Humble
most of the TS members seem fine with it the way it is?
Is the fear that non members doing searches might equate TS with, or part of, or a consequence of CDing?
who exactly doesn't feel safe and why?
If we are voting yes or no on whether we want more security then my vote is YES!
Likewise, Often I have wanted to post some updates and some things that have been going on, but because this forum folder is public I have felt a rather slim level of insecurity. This often results in typing my fingers off to Babs. So Likewise I would say "Open to members once they log in" ^_^
I've been a member for a few years now, however, I rarely post. I always try to be sure that I don't post anything that might reveal anything about me personally. I think if their were a little more privacy, I might post more often. So I vote yes to making it necessary to log in first to view posts.
I protect my privacy by not posting a picture of my face but this makes the interaction less personal. I'm not concerned about my privacy with those who are members but with the wider internet and the concern that I could be recognized and my safety put in jeopardy and I show a similar reluctance on FB so I would benefit but.....
My worry would be that others who are not yet members but in serious need of answers may be "locked out"
Many who are taking their first steps need to be highly secretive and it is easy to forget this the farther you go down the path to where you are living openly.
I do not have an opinion one way or another but I do hope accommodations are made for the most vulnerable among us that may not yet have found this site or the courage to join.
My vote is YES for more security for a number of reasons...
1. Some members of this forum are not out and risk losing their job, family & friends if they were discovered here.
2. Members would benefit more from the increased security with a private forum to be more open in their discussions.
3. Some of members of this forum don't wish to be stuck with the label of being transgender or transsexual, especially
some of the post op transsexual women who just want to get on with our lives and leave the transsexual history behind.
I appreciate the question but a private forum already exists and from what I'm told it's pretty quiet in there. Anybody who claims to be TS yet worries about being "outed" has a rude awakening on the way, and if you are worried about being tagged as TS because you post on a TS forum than the answer seems pretty simple to me. (and it AIN'T to restrict the forum to others in order to protect your own privacy)
I have zero interest in something like Safe Haven. Who wants to preach to the choir? Who wants to limit themselves to a captive audience? I want EVERYBODY to read my posts and I want them to engage me in discussion if they disagree. This forum would be FAR less interesting if the audience were limited to members only.
And standing on the outside looking in you can never really know what is going on in there. I don't think it is quite at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Badtranny
despite the fact it is a closed forum. I don't think you understand that with the TS forum being private it will still be seen
and accessible by all the members of this site, it will just not be visible to the general public if they don't have an account.
As long as this forum is publicly accessible like it is our information is not safe and can be easily located using Google. Scary!
If the privacy on this forum is not increased, I really would like my account closed and deleted. I have no more
interest in posting here because I just want to get on with my life as a woman. It would have been nice to stick
around for others who are coming through transition but not at a cost to my own personal privacy and security.
There is far better security now available on Facebook by using the group feature for those on your friends lists
and setting the permissions and privacy controls to limit the audience who can see any content posted there. Those
that think Facebook is not secure with privacy are very ignorant of the new features now in use on Facebook.
No. Being able to migrate freely from CD to TS forum suited me years ago . . .
And because I'm not out at large a la Badtranny, my profile has no specific locale, no photos, no identifiers. And yet I'm still here - still able to stay connected to a community that is important to me. When I want to put up posts that I think are more personal I go to Safe Haven or I PM someone. It works.
Anyone who logs into this Forum has to risk tracks in their own browser, and the big pink and blue CROSSDRESSER logo shows from 100 yards so anyone looking over your shoulder knows you're here. So, why the desire for secrecy? Just to keep Trolls out? I thought the Mods were the Troll hunters.
"Though all the winds of doctrine were let loose to play upon the earth, so Truth be in the field, we do injuriously, by licensing and prohibiting, to misdoubt her strength. Let her and Falsehood grapple; who ever knew Truth put to the worse, in a free and open encounter?" - Areopagetica 1644, John Milton
I like it open as I do think it helps others to be able to see what is written.
If you could allow the members to set their settings so they can share with just the members or the whole internet. So, if a member only wanted other members to see their posts or replies, they could go to settings and select the proper check boxes. Maybe this would encourage more posts by those in more sensitive situations.
If it's an all or nothing kind of thing, I'd just like to keep it as it is now.
I started posting with photos because came to not care if I got caught.
I do not think restricting the forum will accomplish the desired intent. Newcomers or guests can not post without
Registering. I lurked here for years before i felt comfortable enough to register. I have. Received a tremendous amount of info and support from just lurking. As i started to accept.who i was i registered so i could post.
Making the forum private to address trolls, it was a short time ago a registered member trolled the post and cause a huge upheaval.? I would vote to keep it open. There are still.restricted forums for those that require
More privacy for their comments.
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I lurked here for a long time, about 93 seconds, before I signed up, because I knew that it was the place for me. One thing that attracted me was the absolute ban on porn and similar posts. One can google crossdressing and get all the porn you want, finding a site that gives good information and support is difficult. I did not define myself as TS when I joined, but I now realize I was, of course I always have been. Would not seeing the TS section until I joined have made a difference? Not to me, but seeing it after I joined help me figure myself out. I think making the TS section members only is reasonable, guests can still see that there is a TS section, they just can't look inside until they go through a simple process. Perhaps there can be an "invisible" mode for those members who are not yet comfortable being seen perusing the TS section, though as Melissa (BadTranny) says, they are in for a rude awakening if they are really TS. I am a member of a few other forums, one similar to this but with fewer TS members and a more international membership, and another that is strictly TS and requires approval to join. This is the one that I use the most, because it has the most active TS section. Since I am pretty much out, I really don't care who finds out about me, and if they do, I could simply say "well, what were you doing looking at a crossdressing website?" In my opinion, TS is possibly more accepted than CD, but as I said, just my opinion. So, my feeling is that the change would not make any difference to me, but I can see the extra layer of privacy as valuable to some. Anyway, either way is going to upset some, and make other happy.........Stephanie
I am 100% positive that most of you who are against the proposed changes don't understand these changesQuote:
Originally Posted by melissaK
and how it will NOT affect members of this forum. The proposed changes would not stop anyone from being able
migrate from the CD section to the TS section - the proposed changes are only about blocking Google and access
by the public (those with out accounts) and only limiting access to those that have registered on the site. This is
in no way any sort of disadvantage to members of this forum, but rather affords some protection for the sensitive
personal and private information posted by members.
Personally I do not like the idea of restricting it in any way.
A lot of us have grown well past the point of being scared by much of anything, but there are still those who are too scared to actually join anything. "Oh my God, I have to give an email address and the CIA OR FBI can track me down with that!"
"What if someone figures out who I am by seeing my posts or profile?"
Yes, most of us find that fear to be silly now, but some people really ARE scared by silly things like that.
I wouldn't risk loosing a single person, or denying a single person support.
I think this is an important question to ask and for us all to consider. The discussion is healthy and there have been many good points raised.
I propose that the Mods set up a poll that our membership can vote on. A simple yes or no choice regarding the proposed TS Forum login requirement. I've seen these polls on other forums and it's a great way to reach a decision.
Mac.
I understood the nature of the proposed changes from the very first posting in the thread, and see advantages in both situations. I feel that in the balance, the current situation is better than the proposed situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melody Moore
Wow, what a mess of misconceptions to wade through. Privacy is a thing done in layers. Safe Haven is the most private and how this forum is setup is the least. What is proposed is something in the middle and that doesn't seem to be getting grasped by all. I look at it this way:
MTF Crossdressing forum - Real general discussion, no big issue in giving yourself away. Least Privacy required.
Transsexual Forum - The talk starts getting personal and for a person just starting to explore who they are and if they may be TS, they may want some more privacy before saying those things. More privacy needed.
Safe Haven - Those that have decided they are on a certain path and need the utmost privacy to talk specifics. Absolutely the most privacy available.
So I vote yes based on some need to discuss personal issues.
As Charlene and Melody said, we are post-op and would perhaps just like to move on, living in something resembling stealth if possible.
My big headache, involves members with even better access than I have to various parts of this site, including private ones, trying to play silly b***r with me, and even when they don't, missing the point of my more serious posts. They already have access to the more private parts of this site, so I cannot escape them. The only solution to that which seems possible, is to stop posting on serious or contentious/hot-button topics here, and at least for serious topics I am starting to move my posting to another site instead. So, I remain silent on HRT which is a big worry for me now and an unresolved problem. I also remain silent on several other topics which, when I have raised them, just generated heat and got me blamed for trying to stir things up. It has been so frustrating, that I have been driven to my usual resort -- humour. It is beyond trying to take seriously now.
However, I decided recently to remain active in such groups, since I should pay back in terms of help, others, newer, just as I have been rewarded in the past by the sharing and participation of others. There are a lot of people committing suicide out there, for lack of anyone to give them a friendly and informative word or two, the system and the professionals, apparently adapting to their failures by hardening their hearts to them. Nobody has even begun counting the numbers. Nobody wants to spend public money on saving the lives of TS -- and that is our tragedy. Thank goodness for this site.
Going from dont change to sitting on the fence time.
Could it be trialled for a period, and then members could see if it was having an effect either way.
Just an idea.
I'm in favor of the login rule. It is really a bare miniimum requirement.
Oh for goodness sake than move-on already! If I have to hear one more Postie "threaten" to leave the community and go live their lives, I'm gonna snap and take a hostage. We get it, you're a "woman" now, you're not like us poor unwashed dangling trannies. Why oh why is it so trendy to "leave the community"? It's a joke is what it is and all you broads who keep saying it are just making yourselves look silly to the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth-Lock
Privacy is for pooping and other things you don't want people to see. It's offensive to imply that us dirty TS people need more privacy so non-members can't see the illicit things we say to each other. I abhor the whole concept of secrecy or closed doors. If you must be private than Safe Haven is plenty private.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sue
The utmost privacy. It's the height of silliness and self importance that anything said there is so delicate. I can only imagine what the hens must be clucking to each other about in there. ...especially now. ;-)Quote:
Safe Haven - Those that have decided they are on a certain path and need the utmost privacy to talk specifics. Absolutely the most privacy available.
This is exactly my point. Many people read for weeks or months before they feel like they have something to say. I would very likely have never joined if I wasn't able to see the TS section as a lurker. The CD section is what I found, but it didn't really speak to me. I didn't know who I was, and it was the mouthy broads in the TS section who gave me things to think about. KellyCan specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by TxKimberly
TS people are at a greater risk than CD's. Some of us never really cross-dressed, many of us are trying to reconcile a lifelong sense of misplacement. Some of us were confused by an emotional attraction to women but a sexual attraction to straight men.
These are discussions that need to be as public as possible.
we understand it, we understood it from the 1st post and still don't want it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melody Moore
google and guests viewing is exactly where these discussions need to be seen because these discussions are important.
I don't mind people being able to find what I say. I'm not leaving my home address on here. And I'm not saying anything super-personal outside of Safe Haven.
I think it's great that people can see that there are a lot of posts in the TS section and that it's not just for CDs.
But, for all forums, I think a lot of people would like it if you needed to login to see avatars, the user's location under the avatar, or any attachments.
I'm not afraid of being "outed," but it's creepy that Google can link anybody to my actual picture next to each post. I think more people would have their actual pic if it weren't for that. And I'd probably have a pic without sunglasses.
This is being taken back to staff for further discussion
Well that wasn't a great discussion was it? ask a simple question, turn into an argument :rolleyes: Seems the consensus is to leave it as it is for now, so that's what we will do, leave it as it is. If you want to post privately, there is Safe Haven which is only viewable if you've been given access.