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Hi All, I do have a state issued permit, and have had to use it. I was walking my grey hound, and we were attacked by a pitt bull!!! When my dog went behind me, the pitt bull clamped on to my left arm. I pulled my registered 9MM pistol and shot the dog. I would have rather shot the owner, but the dog was the one that attached. The police were involved and it was determined self defense. Try using a martial arts against a pit bull...BJ
<<Statistics show a gun is far, far more likely to kill a family member than an attacker.>>
Let's not quote discredited statistics please. Anyway, Freud said “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity”.
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Oh, I kill me. Boy, if I was single, Ann Coulter would be my babe! :tongueout
Y'know, liberals don't believe in owning guns. I don't believe liberals should own guns either!
I still kill me!
I prefer to just go in safe areas. When you go looking for trouble, you usually can find it.
Amanda, I just love your humor!!!! More, More................
Very true.. Bad guys will ALWAYS get guns! Why should people who have no intent on using them for crime or hurting others be kept from having them to protect family and home? By the time the police respond even if quickly, my family could be killed! In the UK, Canada and other countries mentioned here it is illegal however there IS gun violence. Once again, bad guy will ALWAYS get guns.. I do not carry a pistol, I only own rifles. But I support those who do carry pistols LEGALLY!Quote:
Originally Posted by amber 07
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While i am VERY pro 2nd amendment, i dont think a forum like this is a good place to have political discussions. If you want to carry a gun, practice with it, and i mean more than that one time at the class you had to attend to get your CCW permit, learn how it operates, and i mean until you know instinctively how it operates. ONE mistake is all you get, folks.
If you dont wanna carry a gun, more power to you. I have had my CCW permit for 3 years and havent carried my pistol once. I also dont enter areas or establishments where its likely for me to need one. Your eyes and brain are far better weapons than a gun. If someone is hanging around the atm, DONT STOP THERE. If someone is following you, cross the street, and enter a public building.
Lets face it, if my attacker has a gun, its not like i am going to be able to get mine out of my IWB holster/purse/jacket/wherever, before he can slap that trigger. Dont walk alone at night unless you know the area well (like your local suburbs). Dont let people, especially in 2s, close in on you, most muggers work in pairs. And dont walk like your nervous, with keys clenched between your fingers and walking as fast as your skirt will let you. And just avoid areas where you have reason to expect problems. I dont think we are any more at risk than anyone else, so dont compound it and put yourselves in bad situations.
Terri
The problem with carrying a gun, is if you shoot someone, even in self defense, and are not charged, you will almost certainly be sued in the US. And it will be little consolation if you win the lawsuit, and are out 10 grand or more in attorney fees.
For Americans the right to bear arms is a constitutional amendment and right. I personally don't own any guns or feel the need to but I will defend others who want to own them. I'm always amazed at the emotional responses this issue brings forth. And I'm pretty sure you're allowed to own guns in Canada too, although their rate of gun violence is much smaller. Wonder why.
One thing to think about if you're pro on gun bans is that most criminals don't follow the law anyway and will get black market guns. So who does a gun ban hurt? Law abiding gun owners not criminals.
In thinking about protection while out and about, I think trannie T had a good suggestion about the pepper spray. Or how about a taser? Are they small enough to fit in a clutch? It would be much better to avoid the legal troubles involved with shooting and possibly killing an attacker some are suggesting and just incopacitate a person. (that has to be the worst spelling ever.) :eek:
I don't know. It's like the Riddle of Steel. The Gods and Giants fought a war and when it was over they left steel on the battleground. Those who found the steel were just men. Kinda like letting the genie out of the bottle. Sad to say, but we are experiencing the same thing with nuclear weapons. A gun, is just a tool, and it's been abused. A gun, used in a lawful manner, is not dangerous to the ordinary citizen. There was a story once where a kid, about last century, brought his grandpa's shotgun to show and tell. The teacher told him, after he was done, to set it in the corner until time to go home. Can you imagine those days? Where it was like a saw, or a hammer. Think about it. Pitbulls were no big deal a hundred years ago. Sad.
I don't carry a gun with me i'm not scared of what could happen. I don't train in MMA for nothing. I like to fight ppl hand to hand combat style so i don't want a gun. But if thats what you want to do to protect your self go ahead. I don't see cds as targets for harm unless your going to the wrong places.
Haters beware i don't care.
Much like a fork.. It too has been abused.. Look at the rate of obesity and death due to obesity! When do we outlaw the "evil fork"?.. Clearly it's killing people!! The "government" has to stop it! Surely we can trust the government! Hey!! Dubya!! Send more forks-n-pork to the insurgents! How bout some butter too!! :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by amandachick
My weapons are my fists.
Actually, I did read your post. My response probably sounded too personal, because I used the term "you" instead of "one". Whether it referred to you or anyone, my sentiment remains the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samantha43
OK, I think everyone knows where I stand on the gun issue :)
what are you anti gun people going to say next that you are going to vote for OSAMA or HILARY good god people wake up hugs stacylynn1
California law does not allow the purchase of large caibur small guns that could easily fit inside a cluch purse. Which you would use at night. So you are stuck with purchasing a small 22 which may not be intimidating to an assailant, and will not likely stop him cold in his tracks unlike a 38 or 9m. Carrying a 45 or 50 cal Desert Eagle isn't exactly feminine, and compromises your ability to pass.
Going out in groups is the safest bet. Mace may be another option. It can quickly neutralize an assailant dedicated to commiting bodily harm. But most importantly its effects on the assailant are not permanenent, unlike a bullet wound.
Would anybody disagree with me on this one?
All this talk about being attacked while crossdressed! I don't see it as a problem, folks. How many of us have been attacked, physically attacked, while dressed???
This gun business is, in my opinion, a poor solution to a virtually non-existent problem. Plus, carrying a gun would be like wearing boxer shorts under my skirt. It just ain't feminine.
Final thought: so many of you are attacking us who don't pack heat because, you imply, we want to ban gun ownership and destroy the 2'nd amendment and all that kind of stuff. Well, I didn't see any responses proposing such things. The subject was carrying a gun in a purse when dressed. It seems that so many of you right-wingers are programmed by the NRA to believe that any suggestion that a gun might not the best solution to any given problem is an argument to ban all guns. I own guns and I'm liberal; the two aren't mutually exclusive. Yes indeed, too much AM radio can do strange things to one's mind.
Cindi
I'm really torn how to answer this one. I hate guns with a passion, but when it comes to someone who intends you harm sometimes in life you have no option.
When I was growing up my mom and my stepdad were both working in corrections. My Stepdad was a member of an internal response team called IERT. He because of his job was required to keep all kinds of restricted weapons to do his job, everything from fully automatic rifles to handguns to night vision scopes. Because of this he, and everyone in my home were required to be certified and issued restricted weapons permits and I underwent alot of training to recieve those certifications. I also did some duck hunting growing up.
Now here in canada guns dont grow on trees like they do in Texas, or the US in general. Someone with my certifications is an extremely rare commodity.But that's where I grew up.
I mentioned that I hate guns. Well almost. I used to duckhunt in the maritimes growing up . Guns have only one purpose. They Kill things. They dont DO anything else. They spit bits of metal out the end with the sole purpose of killing or mutilating something or someone. There are some legitimate purposes for guns, like hunting, but they dont have a place in personal security. More often than not, the gun that is meant to help you end up being used on YOU and KILLING YOU. If you need a weapon, something nonlethal like a baton or capstan spray is a far better choice. Knives are not as you are as likely to cut yourself as your target and they have no range. Few people are prepared to properly use a knife in a fight. The purpose in using a weapon in self defence should ALWAYS be to disable to give you enough time to get away. Anything else is still murder /manslaughter.
Amanda
WTF??? A gun is a tool! PEOPLE kill things not guns!! I happen to enjoy the hell out of target shooting. It takes skill and concentration to hit a target at 100 or 200 yds.. I've never killed anything bigger than a rat and hope to god I never have to.. However unlikely as it may be, if some crack crazed junkie decides to break in my house at 3 am with intent to do my wife and 4 yr old daughter harm, and after a warning that I am armed and to leave the premises, they WILL be getting lead poisoning! :2c:Quote:
Originally Posted by kinkedamanda
Warning? Ha. :heehee:
This intent of this thread seems to have been about whether carrying a gun in your purse is a good idea for safty reasons. But it has devolved into a political discussion.
Girls thats great that you have views and are willing to express them in an election year. But I'd politely ask that we keep this thread focused on safty concerns. So that some of us can take away more enlightenment on how to avoid becomming a victim of a mugging or a hate crime.
Easy when you know how!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Billijo49504
Grab him by the gonads and poke his eye,s out:devil::devil:
Works on the owner too!!:devil::devil:
Well put Staycee, my feelings exactely.Quote:
Originally Posted by StayceeCD
Where I live the closest police station is 15 miles away. If you call the cops because someone is kicking down your door, they would say "Can't you hold them off? That's only a misdemeanor, we'll come by tomorrow and get a statement. Otherwise, call us back when you're dead, then it's a serious crime."
But really, there is no crime to speak of here. Everyone is their own policeman. And I don't worry much about getting sued for shooting some miscreant. It's a big desert.
Oh, and BTW, judging by the winners of the monthly turkey shoot, women out here are as handy with weapons and any man. There's nothing sexier than a woman with a big gun.:daydreaming:
Sticking with the main theme posted, on my first outings, I used to carry a pepper spray but after 3 o 4 times of going out dressed I simply forgot to take it with me. Now I do not think I could take one along, there is no space left at my purse. I never thought of caring a Gun may be because I don't have one. In my country It is illegal to carry one.
Going out in CD made me more confident specially because I found that no body cares.
So I think that all the lovely ladies which have gotten into the discussion of guns or not guns, Should be thankful for having the option to possess and carry a weapon if desired.
If I could own one legally, I will for sure have it at home for defense.
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Originally Posted by amandachick
You just flamed the whole of the UK, we aren't subjects of ANYONE... I find this completely offensive... :thumbsdn:Quote:
Originally Posted by amber 07
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Originally Posted by Tamara Croft
Exept me; gawd bless'em they do a won'ful job guvnor [tips hat]. If twernt for them, and the sound of leather on willow, wher'd we be? I tells yer where 'ud be, In the bloody EU now don't get me wrong....
Men in white coats arrive just in time.
I don't know, although not enfemme, I've been beaten have to death before. I have a fairly jagged chunk of my left eye socket chipped of from my face literally being stomped. Had a couple ribs broken and jaw too on the same beating.
Point is once you've ever been beaten that bad, you never look at people optimistically again. Nor do you feel it's likely authorities will protect you. Man is a savage animal in general.
Er Sophia..We are..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sophia KT
Brown sold us out, didn,t you see it.
He signed us up without the promised referendum:Angry3:
This is true, and I had a few beatings in my time [even coppers once if I remember rightly]. Yesterday I was thinking that we tvs are a little self absorbed about this: most people spend pretty well every waking hour being objectionable in one way or other, we just give them something to aim at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridget Fitzgerald
Debs,Quote:
Originally Posted by deborah jane
Oh yea! Forgot about that.
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Originally Posted by RockerTerri
Now, can we stop breaking the forum rules about the politics and go back to the original question?
Just remember That if you do use the gun, you will be going to jail until they figure out if you were right in using it. You will not go home, but straight to jail. So, you may want to think about that before using it or even showing it. If you show it someone may turn you in for having it and you still will end up in jail. It does not matter if you have a permit or not to carry. You cannot threaten to use it, or use it without consequences. If you ever get pulled over and the cops do a spot check and find a gun, you may have a time explaining why you have it in your car or on you or in your purse. I myself do not carry, but do plan on getting my permit someday to do so. Will I carry when dressed, I cannot say at this time.
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Originally Posted by deborah jane
The lowest level of black belt takes 3 years of
intense study, and the 8-12 levels in black
belt take more years.
(Shaolin Kung Fu)
A gun is quicker.
Well Tamara, maybe you should ask your government what THEY perceive you to be.
We are definately targets for harm.
The statistics are clear.
The gun debate should be sidelined to a large extent. It's not a legal option in many countries and it's not a simple one where it is an option, especially if you don't manage to get witnesses on your side.
How do GGs, more a target than men, less than us but arguably much more aware of their vulnerability, handle this situation?
Some basic self defense (better than nothing but don't rely on it. I've done my share of martial arts, none is perfect) isn't a bad idea.
Here's there main one as I recently mentioned in this other thread http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/...ad.php?t=82407 don't go anywhere after dark without at least one companion.
Sure it means you have to be a little more out than otherwise but at least you get a 'girls' night out. Sure it might make hooking up a bit more difficult. Still how many TG deaths were with a bunch of friends they are out to? Not so many. Basic pack/herd tactics, nature's been using them for millions of years for a reason! There is safety in numbers!
That I think is a more reliable defence than some karate or where legal mace tasers or a handgun. (While illegal in Australia I did find cute the pink and leopard print tasers recently released).
Do a basic self defence course (keys make good knuckle-dusters when poking between fingers of a clenched fist for example), carry a personal alarm, stick close to your friends, don't go out after dark alone.
And don't rely on not being dressed! The CD from australian Idol Courtney Act was assaulted in drab! A lot of us are effeminate enough to be classed as gay by some homophobes (and of course plenty of us are gay or bi just like everyone else).
I have carried in the past but no while dressed. I had to carry large sums of money to do the company bank run and it was in a bad section of Detroit.
Maybe a small automatic in a garter holster. LOL
Kymmie
Here in Illinois, you can't legaly carry a concealed weapon, yet there are tons of TG people out and about, haven't heard of any except those involved in illicit activites getting hurt in recent years (used to be bad in most places not too many years ago), with possibly one or two exceptions. I've had a change of heart on this subject in recent times, and I now feel that we really don't need a gun while out and about any more than the average person does. Use your head and you should be just fine. If you're foolish when going out, dressed or not, you can still get hurt for being in the wrong place.
I'm familiar with what happens when people can carry guns with little restraint, my brother had someone pull and point their gun at him in Arizona (where gun laws are very lax) several years ago because this person thought my brother had deliberately taken a parking space that this other person wanted. They got their parking space that they wanted, but they should have ended up parked in prison as far as I'm concerned.
And for the record, I am for gun ownership, just don't think that carrying a concealed weapon is a good idea for the average person. And yes, I do have legal guns in my home, and I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal. Defense of home is a different matter.
Carol
I think there should be a mandatory intelligence test as a prerequisite to buying a gun. That might eliminate 99% of the population from getting one.
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Emily you are entitled to voice your opinion on this subject but to make a comment such as this one is rude and inconsiderate. You have insulted every gun owner and every potential gun owner on this site. You most certainly are a person who needs to learn some manners and how to express yourself in a way that is not offensive to others. You owe everyone on this site an apology for making such an insulting remark. I am in disbelief that the moderators of this forum have not deleted your totally inappropriate statement. I expect to see that apology from you.
Ok..You win..I,ll get a gun:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Seville
Thank you Susan, you took the words right out of my mouth.
CDSusan,
I find it equally offensive for being accused as a "person who needs to learn some manners and how to express yourself in a way that is not offensive to others".
As Eminem once sang: "I find you offensive for finding me offensive."
I was just stating an opinion, strong as it may be, and if you read carefully I don't suggest anywhere that people should not be allowed to carry guns.
No we are not targets. Just need a hell of a sense of humour
Emily, if you were not implying that 99% of the population is not intelligent enough to own a gun then what were you trying to say? I certainly took it as an insult and I am sure others did as well
Susan,
I'm hoping that most will have read it as an opinion with a touch of wry humour.
Remember,it's double tap in the chest and 1 in the head. :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by deborah jane
Of course...But just one in the kneecap if it,s only a warning:DQuote:
Originally Posted by JennyRotten
I'm not offended Emily. I'm sure I'm in the 1% that is intelligent. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Emily Anderson
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Originally Posted by Julogden
I live in Illinois too, and if I go out Crossdressing, it's either for Halloween, or the Gay Pride Parade, can't really do that on the West Side where I live, you'll definitely be beaten to a pulp.
o0o I love your style!Quote:
Originally Posted by deborah jane
You are forgetting victimology though; if you walk around looking like a prey you will become it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seville
It really doesn't take Bruce Lee to unsettle most people; so a little can go a long way. Miyamoto Mushashi said something like, 'many schools practice all kinds of strokes [of swordfighting] but you kill with only one'.