An intellectual discussion on social acceptance (tomboys vs girls like us)

I totally disagree with and hate the fact that some people see those who CD or are TG as lying to others. It is when I am not dressed up that I am lying. At least it was, I have made a decision to start transitioning and made my first appointment with a therapist. I now shave my arms and don't feel awkward acting myself. I was raised thinking that was bad and wrong behavior for a boy. But I am not a boy, not in my mind and body and soul. Like the song "Man I feel like a woman" and I have finally accepted it.

My entire life I have felt like a girl. My first friend was a tomboy and I was so jealous that I was not her.

I do not push myself on others and I am transitioning as politely as I can and not throwing it around for everyone to see and deal with.

It is me trying to be honest and not be a liar.:Angry3:

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Originally Posted by battybattybats

Ahhh... but thats not always been the case!
The Dandy, the effeminate yet attractive elegant man has been the sex symbol of the past.

Male fashions have in the past been at times very feminine.

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The Dandy? When???
Go back to say the 40's/50's - I don't think any of say Hollywood's men looked effeminate. Hell even Rock Hudson was considered a manly man's man, [if they only knew lol].

Male fashions = feminine?
Again No. Why? Because even when men openly wore silk, lace, wigs, tights, side button pants, rounded [peter pan type] shirt collars, skirts, ect, ect, it was not ever considered feminine because at the time it was considered current Men's fashion.

Granted looking back today you can say that, but not at the time that stuff was in fashion for men.

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Originally Posted by Satrana

Or maybe men find women desirable irregardless of what clothes are worn, after all men are thinking about what she looks like with the clothes off!

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While in some ways true, it is also in other ways wrong.

What a person wears most often reflects that persons personality.

A "tomboy" usually has completely different personality traits then a "girly girl" does.

They not only dress differently, but the two usually interact with males [and other girls] in completely different ways.

There is a lot more going on then just what is under the clothes, even for the most dim whitted - uh mmm pretty girl, gimmie gimmie, sex crazed, hormone overdriven male on the planet. :lol2:

No offense to all the "sex crazed, hormone overdriven" males who might happen to be out there. :D