I've Enjoyed Reading Your Thoughts...
... and have read every reply thus far. I would respond to each of you individually if I had the time, but the responsibilities of earning a living and and tending to my obligations takes precedence.
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Originally Posted by
Badtranny
I can also tell you that those who are out and vocal in said community don't have a problem with CD's per se, but they DO have a problem with closeted people in general.
Oh, great... if as a genetic male I choose not to dress as a woman in public, I'm on their s*** list... that's really an incentive to solicit their acceptance... :brolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Badtranny
Especially those that want the fellowship of the community when they're in the mood, but deny them at every opportunity so as not to out themselves. The animus towards CD's is mostly about their secretive, closeted nature coupled with the fact that most of them are militantly straight. I have many straight friends and I didn't know most of them were straight until I'd known them for awhile. Those that are comfortably straight rarely announce it, unlike the average CD'r
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I disagree totally with your premise quoted above. I constantly argue in hostile territory for the right of people to love who they choose without discrimination by those who don't understand that position.
See the first section I've underlined... there you go, beating up on those who aren't "out" like yourself... you're proving my point. Yes, I realize you're transsexual; however, there are many here who aren't. We're just crossdressers, right?
On to the last section I've underlined quoting you in the above... correct me if I'm wrong, but do you have issues with heterosexuals? And if you do, I find that to be intensely offensive. At least as offensive as you believe "straights" are to "gays"?...
If you'd like to pursue this in private messaging, I'm amenable... I'll even provide my phone number in order to dispense with the formalities, and have a heart to heart conversation. Maybe we can avoid having this thread closed prematurely by sullying it with personal attacks, either real or perceived.
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Originally Posted by
Leona
I think that if people want to remain closeted, they need to put forward a public face of being LGBT ally. That's the least they can do.
But being downright homophobic and/or transphobic while being a closeted CD is unacceptable. I don't even have words to describe how angry that idea makes me. I spent a long time denying to myself that I was a crossdresser, and in that entire time I vocally defended the rights of people to wear what they want, seek surgery if that's what they needed, and so forth. Because at that time, it wasn't about me, it was about what was right!
You can keep your identity a secret, but you can't use your cis privilege to hurt the rest of us.
Thank you, Leona. I've known I was a crossdresser since the age of four (although I certainly didn't yet know the meaning of my feelings at that time), I've never denied being one... I knew who I was, and was OK with it. I agree wholeheartedly with the balance of your statement. I've done the same, and it really is all about the principle.
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Originally Posted by
Rianna Humble
I disagree with the OP's suggestion of splitting CD's off from the Trans community...
Please quote specifically where I (the original poster said that... 'cause it isn't in existence. Never was, never did. Nothing has been edited.
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Originally Posted by Rianna Humble
Go back and reread...
I'd suggest you do... and don't try to put words down, attributed to me, that I've never written... do your research! :straightface:
separate but equal sound familiar
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Originally Posted by
kimdl93
as a group we get along fine and hardly need to spit hairs by suggesting that CD is something different from TG
Just as an example, try this line with engineers. There are electronic engineers, automotive engineers, there are engineers on trains, sanitary engineers, etc etc, etc, Do you really think people want to be in just ONE box?
The value for being an independent group is that it is not "guilty" by association. If CDs are in with LGBTG, ordinary folks might think we are all gay or bi or on the way to womanhood. I for one don't want any of those associations, because I am none any of those things.
There are a number of musicians here and I'd bet they want to be known by what instrument they play rather than just be a "musician". I'm a woodwind player generally, a sax player specifically, and alto sax is my main horn. It is different from being a tenor player--think Stan Getz vs Charlie Parker.
there is NO value to society in being a crossdresser--it is something quite personal, whereas being gay or lesbian has more of a biological nature and there fore can be more easily explained. They very likely don't see us as having the biological aspects and therefore what we do is entirely personal ( that probably best applies to fetish dressers and some others), and out of the realm of LBGTG. Do you see any democrats in the TEA Party?
I do think that if there are sufficient numbers around the world, that an organization composed entirely of CDs is the best way to progress to public acceptance, if that is really what people want. A sponsor, a magazine, a radio program, a tv series that functions the same way Big Bang Theory functions for science nerds. Tagging along on someone's coat tails will only get us a face full of dust and heel marks on our foreheads.