I am glad to see that this thread is open again, Pink I wish you well.
I am glad to see that this thread is open again, Pink I wish you well.
[SIZE="3"]Certainly glad I read it today it made my day!!! You go gurl!![/SIZE]
You're braver than me Pink.
just for the record here is my " pm " to pink this morning
pinkpantyhose
hi how are you, i am sorry about the way i treated you and your thread, i am also sorry that i have pre conceived ideas and stereotyping , you were having fun i wish you could show all of you i bet had a great smile on some of the photos i just love the hooters outfit .. but i am too fat to do the outfit justice and the swimsuit looks great i need one this year first time in a pool in 3 years due to transitioning anyway please forgive me all the best
Marissa
Hi Tamara the picture gallery is for members only as i understand it so anyone just looking around would not see this thats all ...
QUOTE :- My guess, he's doing something many of you can only dream of doing, he's out there, doing what he wants, living a dream... whilst many of you stay closeted, intolerant and
i can do the exact same thing if i wanted :rolleyes:... pink i am sorry
Be yourself whatever that may be, so long as you respect the equal freedoms of others. That's the foundation of ethics so everyone try and keep your adventures ethical. Have fun.
Sorry Sorry about being Rude Pinky !!
I have no excuse for what I have said!! Except for we are all here for being ourself and learnning from others CDer and GOD knows we all have been there WONDERINg how do we look in pix !!!
I have alot of pix of myself and I should go back and look at those and KICK MYSELF IN the ASSSSSSSSSSS for saying what I did!!!
Hair-- what a word that I hate from the get in go anyway! I think when GOD made men ( He or She ) gave us to much hair on a male body anyway and Yes I Hate seeing a hairy arm pit on both sexes and those haiy hairy chest that some men have EEeEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW..
So Pinky I Am SORRY !! :love: You Go Girl!!
Have A Great Day Girls!!
I think this post is fabulous! lol
PinkPantyHose is much braver than I would ever be! You go girl!
I'm really amazed at the wide variety of reponses that this thread evoked. I find it interesting as this is one of the first post where someone's "motives" for dressing were condemned or at the very least questioned. I always loved the fact that the girls here were supportive and understanding and at the very least tolerant. My only thought is that this does appear to be a photo essay of sorts and might be a better fit in the gallery section, but even that is not a big deal. I suppose it's part of the assignment's nature, but I personally feel that it would perhaps be less controversial if she was allowed to dress fully enfemme i.e. wig and make-up, and was trying more to look the part. (that's not meant to be a negative comment, merely an observation) Even if I don't agree with all the assignments, I certainly applaude your courage and do wish I was able to try on wedding and prom dresses openly. Love the french-tipped pedi, btw.
Members at ALL levels should think about this before posting, I've seen many replies to posts that are unnecessary and frivolous. often they are just catty veiled insults. These can be quite painful to the recipient (been there). Sometimes it's better to not add your "two cents". If you really don't have something to say other than a snotty remark, don't say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tamara GG
On some occasions, a remark that is not nice IS appropriate, as long as it is part of an honest and sincere discussion, and not meant solely to offend, after all, this forum is not just a mutual admiration society.
PRIVATE EYES ARE WATCHING YOU!
I will but add one comment I have seen nobody else mention (if I have missed it please forgive).......those of our number who were offended may have just experienced what our SOs have felt when they found out. Enough said ladies.
Emily Ann
Its a classic dom/sub thing but taken way past where i would personally be comfortable. I've played this type of game with a semi pro mistress that i used to see fairly regularly. she would for example instruct me to wear panties to work and to text her during the day to let her know how i was getting on.
It was great fun and she would always respect my boundaries. Its entirely due to her attempts to feminise me that i am here on this website and am an active and committed crossdresser ... so not all bad. Im sure that many of you play similar games with your SO.
what i don't like here is the impersonal nature of it, the extreme humiliation of the sissy sub, the lack of dignity and all the social consequences and damage that these actions involve.
mitch
I guess I do not see a problem here. I have seen many posts talking about various outings and shopping trips and although this may not be popular say every one of the objections that has been raised about this thread has no merit as it has been done by others on this board.
Every time you go out in public enfemme you subject those around you to participating in your adventure. when you are shopping you make the sales person part of your activity, so with that being said what is wrong here? We all have our own motives for what we do but i see this post as no different than any "went out enfemme today" post. The judgemental attitude i have seen here is shocking! All I ever hear is how cds want acceptance and then they cannot accept one of their own, that is hypocritical. So it is more outlandish but that does not make it wrong. I have seen post of cds swimming in public pools in female swimsuits and yet people are upset that this poster ate at hooters dressed as a hooters girl? People need to take life less seriously and accept people for what they are as you want to be accepted.
Quit questioning ones motivation for what they do and look inward and question your own. I am disgusted by the treatment that pink recieved here and I hope that others that post can feel free to do so without the same treatment in the future!:Angry3:
I've been following this thread, and I'm glad to see that it's mostly turned around.
I would like to add one thing: someone (may have been pink) posted that going out dressed matters a lot more to us than it does to them. And I think that's true. It sounds harsh, but people pay us a lot less attention than we think. Judging from the reactions of the other people in pink's experiences, no one thought much of it, or were actually impressed by pink's courage/daring.
I know I'm impressed. I'm scared to go out totally en homme, because I don't really pass (I think), and no one even cares about women in men's clothes these days.
I consider myself quite open-minded. Most of the list sounds like quite a fun time, and being "forced" sounds like a nice way to get past a few inhibitions.
Personally, I don't really see the fun in :
#10 the 40 pairs of pantyhose.
#12 pickle in a theatre sounds like it could be disruptive to other theatre patrons (unless it's an adult theatre).
#13 an entire lipstick and lipgloss... what the heck? at the same time? I don't get it.
#15 is just wrong. Return used make-up? yuck! Get an undeserved refund from an honest retailer? tsk tsk.
#22 lying about being pregnant seems awfully silly. I don't see how that'd be fun.
#28 also silly.
#30 disrupting a class isn't cool.
The pictures are interesting, the bra looks really good. One day I'd like to try on wedding gowns myself.
Good luck with your quest.
Well done Pink. You've done what most of us here will never do. :D
Thank you, Tamara, and to the other admins as well for standing up for Pink here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tamara GG
I too think that Pink here represents a legitimate and (let's face it) courageous element of the CD community. Yeah, I know girls can be bitchy even when they're boys, but come on ladies this is one ballsy batch of tasks Pink's boldly plowing through and if he gets off on stuff you don't dig:
ignore the thread.
It's not porn and in my opinion, not out of place in a community trying to support acceptance for those casting about to find their place in the world.
Pink,
I find your behavior curious, but then I find my behavior curious.
Here's to the curious, odd, bizarre, strange, and so on. It is, in the final analysis, what makes the world a fascinating place.
Post on!
WOW, how did I miss this post from Pink. I am with Sharon on this one.
I have always been a fairly accepting person. But the one thing that my personal acceptance of my CDing has done is make my acceptance of others even greater. It is said often here, "To each their own". And I really try to live by that as long as who they are and what they do does not impact me or others in a negative way. There are many posts here I do not read past the first post, or even first sentence. And a lot more post I do not even read because I just feel they are not me. But I will also read some posts just for the fun of it, like this one, only to find out the subject did not reflect the post or the post evolved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Now I do think that this post is on the fringe of what this specific web site is trying to provide support for. But I think many other posts are just as much on the fringe if not more so. Actually Pink maybe kinda of in between different sites from reading some of Pink's explanations. Hummm, how many of us have ever felt like we just do not fit one place or the other.
I think while this post is not me, I think Pink has done well to stay within the content guidelines of this site
What I find interesting is some of the things on the list I have done and maybe in what would be a more humiliating way than what the list asked for. But I did them because it was me and I wanted to do it. Many here think being a guy in a skirt would be humiliating, disgusting, strange, weird, add your own here. To me that is just who I am.
Pink I am glad you find comfort in who you are. Because being different is not easy. If I see you out doing one of these items I may think you a bit odd depending on which one. But I will be cheering you on like mad internally and you may even get a "go for it" grin from me.
IMHO, it is people like Pink, and others who are out being who they are no matter what others think, that are the leaders in getting us all TG's acceptance. Sure legal wise we are getting more TG rights. But true acceptance only comes from the general society and society seeing who we are. And seeing us as people with just a different personality trait and not some pervert that needs to go to jail for a crime.
I am not into the D/s scene that this person is into, but I will defend thier right to make thier own choices. And I know that some disagree, but it is still all crossdressing, no matter what reason you have for doing it.
Myself, I try to pass when dressed, I wear what most women wear normally (and most women don't wear a lot of dresses that I've seen, unless it is for a formal occation, "on the hunt" or they're "June Cleaver")
When I first saw this thread, I thought "woo-hoo, here we go". :D I really wasn't interested in the content beyond recognizing the general flavor - it's just not my kink. I was interested in how it would go, so I waited until now to have a look. My take: people get very possessive of "their" forum. I've been reading boards since the first came on line, and before that in usenet groups. There are a few common phenomena that I've seen over and over.
One is "I have a right to read and approve of every thread". Often times perfectly nice people, but forgetting that not every thread is for you. If you don't like what someone is saying, just don't open the thread, or skip over their comment. A newsgroup friend once said 'A newsgroup is like a cocktail party where you can make people you don't like disappear". Personally, I'm not married, so I get bored by all the "My SO says" threads. Not that they are inherently boring, they just have no relevance for me. So I don't read 'em, right? :D
Another common gripe - "You're not one of us!" This is the regulars claiming special rights within "their" forum. This is closely related to the "cyber-buddy" syndrome, where regulars gang up on a newbie and make their life miserable until they stop posting. You can't win an argument when the cyber-buddies shoot you down, regardless of the content of your posts.
Ultimately, the moderators define what is appropriate and what is not. In the case of pictures, I can understand the adherence to a strict no-panty rule - although if it were up to me.... :D In the matter of discussion, however, I would generally prefer to see a very liberal moderation. If something is inappropriate to most members, then it will drop to the bottom of the page quickly and die a quick death. Unless, that is, said disapproving members keep tut-tut-ing it to the top of the page. :D On the last board I frequented, this was very common - the people demanding the moderator remove the "troll" were the ones keeping the thread at the top of the page. Wassup with that?
So kudos to the board bosses for keeping this thread open. Now I can go about my business and ignore it. :D
First, congrats on having the courage to do all that you've done so far Pink. I personally am of the opinion that in some way you have contributed to societal acceptance of CD's in general. My feet would be heavier than lead before I walked into a store in drab and ask to try on clothes and lingerie for myself. In doing that and not having any adverse reactions, you have probably proved that most of our fears about reactions are unfounded as also underlined the importance and benefits of honesty. Thank you.
Second, I completely agree with Tamara in relation to her comments on this thread.
Third, there is nothing wrong in a CD posting her adventures with or without pictures. Let's assume Pink did not mention there was a mistress and that humiliation was a part of it, what would the responses have been? Approval? Joy? A hint of jealousy? or all of those things? Why then judge a person for their actions simply because the object of the persons adventure was one you disagreed with? I find it commendable that Pink has the courage to be honest about her reasons not only to us but to SA's and people she met in general. Instead of appreciating honesty you seem to want her to conform to a way of thinking and values that you believe all CD's (as understood by you) must abide by? Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't that the exact battle that we fight with society in general? Unbelievable!!!
Fourth, for all the offensive remarks, sarcastic comments and statements of outright rejection, Pink has been very civil, polite and dignified in her responses to each of you. She has taken the trouble to respond to each of you, apologized if she hurt anyone's feelings and clarified her stand. Instead she could have gotten angry and abused everyone for their lack of acceptance, flamed people, and gotten banned. There is a very sensitive, caring and dignified person here and all she gets is rejection!! Congratulations to you all!!! I thought this was one place that is different and in all my time here had no cause to think otherwise, until now. :mad::sad:
Five, what is the deal with wanting Pink to show her face? Let me ask you this, what percentage of us post pictures and how many of those are willing to allow their faces to be seen. And then this distinction between the posts being acceptable if they were in the pictures section and not here. That's great if there were only pictures, what about Pink's eagerness to share her adventures with us? Where does that go? Remain suppressed within her despite wanting so desperately to share her stories with people she identifies with as a CD? There are no rules broken, no obscenity, no nudity...so what's the problem??
Six, I think its time for us all to take a relook at where we started from and where we are at today and the kind of battles for acceptance we fought within ourselves as also with society. I also think we owe Pink a large apology for being so critical and judgemental. You may disagree with me and that's fine. But from my side, I would like to say to you Pink, that I'm sorry for the angst and hurt that you may have felt after reading responses to your posts. I hope you will continue to be a part of us.
Finally, if anyone has any issues with what I've said, please PM me and say all that you have to. I request you not to hijack this thread in order to achieve that.
Sonia
IMO even if this kind of activity is not our cup of tea (and for me it is not, but come to think of it my Carin thinks I have a latent Dom side, lol) Pink has every right to bring her activities to this forum. As a GG Pink's posting does not scare me away.
Carin and I are getting married (again) in June. I would bet that is not everyone's cup of tea either!
Kudos to you Pink for your courage and level of politeness even in the face of the opposite.
Louise.:love::love::love::love::love:
At first I thought this thread may be a hoax. So what! Dynamic and entertaining. All the controversy just added to the fun. Pink, BTW, your defence was brilliant. I'd bet your a attorney! This thread has more energy than most by a factor of ten to one. My thanks to all who participated.
Wow. Maybe it's because I can only fantasize being "forced" to do some of those things but I liked this post. I would love to try on a bra at VS, or a wedding dress at some shop, and it would be so that I could buy it. I have tried on clothes at various places...I'm doing what a good shopper should- try before you buy. IDK...I think it's great this thread turned more positive, kudos to your defense pink, very well put. Your a class act IMHO :2c:
I would really love a pic in a wedding dress. Someday....
Carry on
I think it would be a good idea to remember that this is not a political forum. If it were a political forum seeking to normalize the "stealth" form of CDing, then perhaps this post would be crossing the line because it's exhibitionist CDing.
But really, stealth and exhibitionist CDing are not that much different. One just makes himself a target... it's his business whether or not he can deal with that risk.
However, a complaint might be that by doing this, exhibitionist crossdressers self-appoint themselves as representatives of the community, simply because of their visibility. I don't believe the answer is for him to hide, I believe the answer is for the rest of us to be equally proud of who we are. Heck, I bet Pink's adventures empowered those of us built like linebackers - neither passes, but could it be that passing doesn't really matter except in our own heads?
What I would loathe to see is this group turn into another Tri-Ess. Excluding those who don't fit the TG schema doesn't get us any closer to the answers that many of us still search for... and it certainly doesn't allay any societal suspicions about us, because those outside the TG schema don't cease to exist just because we don't like them...