Not been around as early as i'd like. I find this thread really interesting actually. As a younger person (24) I agree with the sentiment and am glad to see the forum is being trialled.
BTW MM, love the signature. Sonata Arctica are awesome.
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Not been around as early as i'd like. I find this thread really interesting actually. As a younger person (24) I agree with the sentiment and am glad to see the forum is being trialled.
BTW MM, love the signature. Sonata Arctica are awesome.
I'm 20, but I love skirts...but I dress casual a lot of the time, depending on the weather. If it's hot i wear shorts or a skirt to show of my long legs, and the tan I've got recently :D at a club...if I were to ever go to one, I'd dress as a 20 year old girl would dress.
I envy that. I wouldn't have the courage to go out in full dress yet. One day though i'm sure.
I think being younger than most (and gorgeous) you are perhaps more cutting edge and comfortable with yourself. (Jealous I am :) I'm in my 30's and do not look for the business look either. Each generation is different and yours seems bold and like it could care less of what others think of it overall. Sounds like you're in a good place. There is no perfect website or group of people- just have to find some girls you are comfortable chatting with wherever you go....Jamie
Long time lurker, first time poster! This thread's actually sparked me into posting, although it's probably a bit late now. Thanks MentalMercury! You've sparked a great conversation.
I'm 25 and I like to think that I'm pretty stylish for my age. However, my wife thinks otherwise! She often comments on some of the things that I wear, especially my love for pencil skirts and heels! I've mostly stopped wearing tights/pantyhose these days as I now shave and much prefer the natural look.
However, I often see women my age wearing pencil skirts, tights and heels, both on the train and at work. So maybe it's my wife who's not too hot on style? (Don't tell her I said that :eek:) But when I was at uni, I never saw anyone in "work attire" and hardly anyone in a skirt. Also jeans were starting to become big on nights out and were often worn to clubs and bars.
So after that long(ish) ramble, I'm possibly on the flip-side to what a lot of younger people like to wear. But in the world of work, I see girls my age also wearing similar stuff to me.
And I've never been a well-dressed bloke either!
I can't speak for everyone here, but I think it's a safe assumption that most crossdressers dress how they like to see women dressed. And your analysis is no different. You are young, and as a result, you are attracted to younger women, and how they present themselves. Your observation that older CD's like to wear hose & heels is probably pretty accurate. I bet a lot of those people (myself included) grew up in homes where someone in their family (sister, mother, cousin etc.) rotinely wore hose of some kind... That's probably not so much the case these days...
That being said,..I don't think it's fair to say that 'real' women don't wear pantyhose... I see women ALL THE TIME wearing panty hose... Why? Because I look for it. I am attracted to it. And again, most of the time, these women are closer to my age. It's not just coincidence. Your age does play a part in your opinions.
If you live in a warmer climate, maybe you hardly ever see hose... That certainly does not mean that women don't wear them. If that was the case, you wouldn't see hosiery in EVERY major department store, and then some. And usually in MASS quantities.
For me, I love the feel of hosiery... Seeing women wearing hose reminds me of that feeling. As a result, I am turned on by their appearance while wearing them. So again, when I dress, I want to emulate that look and (of course) I want to experience those feelings of wearing hose.
It's all a matter of opinion,...and age. (And in MY opinion, 'real' women always wear hose.)
To each their own...
I would just like to say that it is very nice to see this thread. I am 23 yo and was browsing this site for a while then stopped because there seemed to be a generation gap between myself and the majority of te people posting. Thank you MM for posting this.
I'm delighted that this thread has got such "legs". Mercury started a little peaceful revolution here that was long needed, even though we didn't realize it...
I'm an oldie compared to most, a boomer, not a gen X or Y as many of you are. But I've also had long conversations privately with several of the young 'uns, and by and large, they appreciate us, especially the outspoken, the quirky, the philosophical.
We need their youthful experiences , in large part, to live vicariously the lives we were unable to have in previous decades. But many young 'uns also know they need us for advice and experience sometimes...
Every generation rebels against the perceived strait-laced attitudes of their parents, but didn't we all have a dear auntie who seemd to understand us better and we respected ?.
Let's not get all parental on the young ones. They've had enough of that sh*t! Let's be the eccentric and sympathetic aunties to the neices and nephews that we love...
All ages get
respect & love from
deja
(But no lecherous dirty old uncles are allowed! Get it!)
crossdressing for me is about finding style and femininity without drawing to much attention. also as heavy set as i am not only would i look terrible in younger girlish styles, but they just plain don't make that stuff in a 22/24 or 26/28
hey i'm 21! it seems there are quite a lot of young girls here ;P It's time for us to rise up and make some noise ladies. I know that I dress the way id love to see other girl dressed, and I also dress the way I would if I myself were wholly female. I'm glad to see there are so many people my age here!
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Instead of all this rise up and make noise stuff...WHY don't you check out the new Young Member 18-25 section. It is a private section, so you need to apply.
sorry jenni, didnt mean to come across as a young upstart! Although, even though there is a designated group for girls my age, a little balance in ages in the main sections wouldnt be a bad thing. Just because we are different ages shouldnt divide us. Alright i'll stop being a revolutionary now haha.
I like you honey:D:D
Just try not to piss of the old maids.:devil:
sugar
I know THIS old maid is hoping for u young chics to start posting more hot pics! That's something we can all share and enjoy together!Quote:
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hehe thanks for the heads up sugar. I dont want to get booted just as i started to warm up to the place!
mea culpa doc.
I'm just a hippy chick from the 70's. Kinda like Fiona Apple's heroin chic, ya know. And I'm not very photogenic.
I do love your pic's though. Kinda avant-gard with a little spooky thrown in. Very cool.
love,
sugar
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Don't sweat it honey, I was scolded right outta the box!
Lol
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I don't want to anger any 'old maids' (we seriously don't look at you like that!) and Deja True you always have wise words, it is true, we do appreciate you and what you have to offer for us. We're young and like to have a way to address each other directly, but (at least I am) aware that the older people are all futher along than us and we have lots to learn from you! I didn't want to step on anyones toes with this thread, just rally more support. I'm seeing people like me who didn't post for a year come out of hiding and start talking, could you really get upset with us if that sort of thing is happening? :)
You should apply for the section if this thread interested you, because it's up and running and we'd love to see you there.
:hugs: I'm very happy to have found this site and become more involved lately.
(Thank you Dusk, Sonata is really becoming one of my most listened to bands)
plain and maybe not so simple. Well, maybe not so plain either.
MentalMercury, just keep asking questions. You might get responses that you want to hear and then again you might not.
This forum is a great place to learn and grow.
I believe we all want to keep all you young one's safe and out of trouble out there in the real world.
peace and love to you & everyone,
sugar
OOoooooh! I'm feeeeelllling the love!
And queebster? Keep up the revolution, but remember, it's a peaceful revolution. Kinda like the one me and other ol' hippy chicks like Sugar tried in the 60's and 70's.
Not everything worked out, but a lot of people benefitted anyway...
Peace & Love, dudes and dudettes! Know what I'm sayin'?
It depends what I am doing and wkere I am going. If I'm going around town I normally just wear jeans and tee, though with wig and make-up. If I'm clubbing its the whole shooting match.
Most of us here are older and like older women we need to cover our legs to hind things like hair, scars and veins. Younger CDs and women don't need to hind their legs and can go without. But I have also gone out without hose and low heels and dress like all the women on the street to bend in. That's the fun part of this forum is that you can find people who will do the things you like to do. I haven't been dressing for months but that's my choice but I still come here to read and give advice. Have been do this for 50 yrs. So I been there and done that.
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Heh heh, n oworries. Loved Sonata for a while. Reckoning Night is still my fave album. I'll apply for the group once i hit the ten posts mark. Cheers for luring me outta lurking!
lol right on target! i personally hate hose and high heels.
I agree that I like being able to communicate with other CDs my age more directly, and the young member's section should be good for that.
I do however also very much appreciate all the older CDers who have much more experience, and probably wisdom than I. I definitely appreciate the advice given when a question is asked, especially when it is the 400th time it has been asked.
I just want to thank all the older sisters on here who help us young'uns out.
I don't like pantyhose, and I don't like stillettos, but I wear them sometimes, and I like boots and wide chunky high heels.Quote:
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I'm not religious, but I think "I hate high heels" is pretty much heresy.
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I won't call you "boomer" if you don't call me "auntie".
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Just feelin the love honey,
sugar
Breath of fresh air in this thread. Nice to know I'm not the only one who does not dress over the top. I do not wear heels, hose, etc... Mostly jeans, t-shirt. mascara/eyeliner.
Understood. I try to dress stylishly, which is to say I like to look classy but also appropriate for my age and income bracket, if that makes sense. I also know what doesn't look good on me and avoid that stuff. I wear hosiery only with certain outfits, because without hosiery the outfit seems "unfinished." I wear heels because I have big feet and I don't care to emphasize that with flats. Indeed, pumps help "feminize" the line of the leg, which is why it is flattering on women anyway.
I also note that, from a guy's perspective, most women do not know how to dress in a flatering way. Most of the time, women I run into daily are frumpy and seem to not care how they appear. This may be different in New York and LA, but even in DC I was not so impressed. I live in the Boulder area - granola tree hugger country. Girls here dress like they are always out camping. With a dog. It's funny
There was a time when men and women took care in their appearance; this seems less the case today. All those wonderful outfits I see in Speigel, Newport News, Boston Proper and Lew Magram are rarely seen in real life, and I always wonder why. Instead, its jeans, flipflops, sweats, and oversized or undersized tops.
And as far as makeup, I try to keep it minimalist, but must also consider I am a guy and need to deemphasize the guyness. That does take a good deal more goop than women typically wear.
:battingeyelashes:I may be 51 but when it comes to clothes I like the styles that the younger women wear, problem is when I wear them they don't always look good on me, but quite often the clothes that older women wear look rather unsexy. For me I like a younger sexier look, its my preference, so short mini's, tighter tops are my preference and most recently shorter style wigs that don't have the old person look to them. I have a new wig that is shorter and it makes me look so much younger.
:battingeyelashes:Simply, some of us are older but still want to dress in more contemporary styles when all possible. But understand as you do age, the styles some of us wear now were what young people wore way back when. When you reach 51 or 65, there will be the younger CD'ers complaining about the old women styles you will wear which you wore when they were hip and instyle.
:battingeyelashes:As many sisters have said we all luv womens clothes the style's we wear should only concern ourselve, We all have womens clothes in common, we all have SO issues, family issues whether kids or parents know, people at work suspecting our preferences or what. Simply put we have more in common than we have differences. We Older gurls gain courage from you who are younger, and older gurls can often give advice on issues that you may be facing now which we may have already gone thru.
Don't give up on the forum, it is true there is a differnce in age and sometimes in styles but young or old we have too much in common and too much to learn from each other. Just don't be afraid to talk with older or younger sisters, you'd be surprised what you may learn.:hugs:
First of all I'm 29, and I can pass en femme. En drab I am often mistaken for being a graduate student in "his" early 20's.Quote:
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Also Andrea makes some very valid points. Living in southern California, summer time brings girls in their 20's wearing tank tops, daisy duke shorts and flip flops. Not that I mind that. But its not possible to pull off completely wearing forms with a male v-shaped figure and size 13 feet, Dressing in a minor variation than I do en drab is quite frankly not as fun. However I have seen those styles worn by carrear minded feminists in corporate America. They wear heals and panty-hose, amongst us who wear ties and linen shirts and slacks to the office.
Strictly speaking from a financial perspective. The pink haze has taken a toll on my bank account from online catalogs. The outfits I buy often don't look right. So I'm often forced to pay return s/h for 1/3 the price of the outfit itself or keeping it knowing I will never wear it out. I sometimes have as much fashion sense as a lead pipe. Being able to talk about age appropriate modern looks, rather than buying styles that I think news anchors 10-15 years older look great in, I think would help us all achieve the ultimate goal of passing en femme as best we can as economically as possible.
I am 20 and I also wish there was a place more for us younger girls.
Well as an older guy / CD I can say I learn alot from the younger generation because they have been brought up in a less inhibited world where unisex dosen't seem all that bad. I dress pretty casual for a male and same as a CD but I always watch the youger generation and try to take a cue from them on the latest fashion. Jeans Jeans and Jeans are really in again and I think a t-shirt, jeans and a low heel area great to go out in .
What I haven't seen is alot of younger CD wanting to put themselfs out ther like you have I hope more will so you will have alot more to talk with.
What I also see is a lot of Younger CD's waiting around for years, missing the best time to dress and grow as a CD and TS until years later wishing they would have done something much younger when they looked better and didn't get the middle age bulge.
You go Metal Mistress get out there and do what makes you feel good. But if you need us We've here for you girl.
I'm joining this party way late, and to be honest, haven't read through the entire thread, but I thought I'd post my $.02 anyway :)
I think many times, people tend to dress towards what their own mental images of "femininity" are, and more often than not, it happens to be when they first started dressing which, for some of the older ladies could possibly be a different "style" than what is currently the style. Obviously that's not always the case, and there are always tons of exceptions to the rule, just saying I think that's one of the reasons.
Another, is depending on several mitigating factors (level of comfort, whether out or not, ability to explore new designs etc..), people might try to pack in as much femininity as possible during every dressing session. This would mean turning away from anything that is "mannish" or what have you with skirts, heels, bras, camis, etc taking center stage. I think for the most part, CD's are more often than not seen in skirts rather than pants, and are in camis or tops like that rather than tshirts.
Anyway, just my thoughts...
Anyone under 25 years old, with 10 (non spam/bumping) posts can apply to the young section. It's pretty cool and the climate is more geared toward college-aged people. I personally like that it's mixed up a bit with FtoM's as well. It doesn't move that fast right now, so come help that change :)Quote:
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Who made those choices? Seems odd, since you're on the tail-end of "college age," and you'd have to leave the group yourself in less than 3 years... And some of us are in our 30's and going to college...Quote:
Originally Posted by MentalMercury
This thread should've shown you that plenty CDs in their early 40's are more interested in a look closer to "college age."
Not trying to sound cranky, but let me reiterate my point. There's nothing wrong with having a section for "younger members" if you want to talk about what it's like to be an 18-25yo CD -- older CDs have plenty experience in feeling left out, so they probably won't take it too hard. In this thread, though, you sounded at least as interested in talking about younger styles/looks from a fashion/beauty aspect. If that's what you want to talk about, there are already sections for that, and there is actually very little activity in those sections. You won't get drowned out if you bring up younger topics in the beauty or clothing forums, so there's no reason not to use them, instead of isolating yourself. I think you'll find the feedback you get from an invitation-only forum won't be nearly as good.
Younger people often tend to feel left out by society in general. This can be seen when they themselves split in to subgroups i.e. Goths, Preppies, Punks and the assorted lot. These splinter groups tend to lead to more isolation from the mainstream and sometimes they can have a devastating impact on functioning in a mixed society. Role playing groups may often be taken to extremes and cause developmental problems. I implore you to keep a balanced mix and not just hide in a closed door group reminiscent of when women in general were banned from men's social clubs.
I don't think that's happening, Dr. Susan. In fact, Mercury's initial post brought out dozens of young 'uns that had been registered but hadn't posted 'cos they thought that the threads were dominated by older age questions and issues.
The young un's agitated for a section of their own and won it. Yay! They can retreat there any time they want. But, have you noticed? A lot of the young ones are now posting regularly in the open threads, too.
So the young section has given them a little more confidence, which is good, and while discussing among themselves, they've also come out to interact with the rest of us more, too. Which is great!
You go, young beauties! No matter what you've got to say, plenty here want to hear it...
I wish I had the body for it! Age is just a number, a number that represents years. I've always felt that we were all young once, and will all be old some day. It's just a matter of time. If age is viewed this way, there is no generation gap.
But if you're over 50 and want to look ridiculous, try going out dressed as a teenage girl. And if you're under 25, don't go out lookin' frumpy.
Tina is just approaching her 3rd birthday. She's spent most of this time trying to learn and do it only very part time (having a teenager in the house makes anything private into a challenge!), so I'm delighted to have all the information available here. I also think that I've tended toward the dresses-stockings-heels-skirts directions because, frankly, I know how to wear jeans! It just happens that my wife prefers how I look in women's jeans, so I have very few male jeans at this point. I could easily put on so low-heeled shoes (if I owned any) and my lovely tight jeans with a top, wig, and light makeup and blend in pretty well, but dresses and skirts are much more of a challenge style-wise, and I enjoy the challenge! Casual, business, and dressy...I love it all and hope to have it all figured out to some competant level soon!
This is a great great thread!
Tina
Drats. A couple years too old for one side, not old enough for the other. Appears that I'm to continue on my own, as it has been and always will be.
well that thread was a long read MM I can totally understand your point I mean when I was your age I didnt have anything in common to talk about with my parents or any older generation for that matter. I like to still see myself as 20 something roughly when the avatar pic was taken :eek: Dam that was 27 years ago dont know how it all went by so fast but it seems to keep speeding by . I hope the younger members sortof keep in touch with us oldfolks on the main site out here so we dont lose touch . Or we could just rename the main part of the board The Nursing Home lol time for a nap :hugs::hugs:
Good thread.We're all differant.Sometimes i just like to wear my clothes,casual like you mention,like you see "real women" wearing.Sometimes i like to dress like a "****" and sometimes inbetween.
It would be great to have a "Younger" thread that stops at 40. I am 39 and feel a sense of being the "middle generation" of crossdressers here. Also, the fetish component doesn't interest me, but that sort of thing seems unavoidable.
I must say that I am interested in learning more from the younger generation of crossdressers, as I imagine the Internet has played an integral role in shaping your approach and style. Also, it seems to me the younger generation is much more tolerant in general than older generations, including mine.
MM,
Good topic. (disclaimer): I haven't read all the posts. But, it seems like there's much support for the younger gals. I'm closing in on 40, but look younger, and keep myself in good shape.
I'm way too tall and muscular to pass, but as I'm a "home only" CDer, I often trend toward what the younger women do regarding dressing. Easy to wear and cute outfits that come from places like Clothestime and alloy.com.
I'm sure others have said the same, but don't despair, in the couple of years I've been on the board here, the membership has grown A LOT, and there's someone on here who will mirror your tastes and be able to give relevant advice.
Great Lashes TOO! , LUV SammieQuote:
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Had I relied only on my age group for support, and advice, I am afraid I would have been quite miserable. Many heartaches were prevented by heeding the wise counsel of an Aunt, or Parent who had way more experience than I did. I found that my peers were so wrapped up in competing with one another, that many of them weren't terribly interesting after awhile. High school, especially. I try to learn from all people, no matter how many times their flesh has circled the sun. And then, of course, some people are to be avoided altogether.
Ya know? I've always been partial to white purses. I sure wish that there was a place for me to talk to others about white purse issues. No one else seems to quite understand. You know, like using them only after Easter, and making sure they match your shoes. And the whole white glove thing....well, you know! But alas, I have no one I can relate to here, because there is no section I can go to where the "white purse" crowd can be together and just discuss our issues. *Sob!* I guess I'll just have to persevere as best I can.
When folks seek help, sarcasm doesn't do anything but make the transmitter feel clever and the recipient feel dissed. Especially around here, we need to be understanding even if we don't quite get it.
I agree with you about most women don't go around everyday in heels and pantyhose. I'm older but like I said i agree.
~Lori
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