Gov. Pritzker signed into Illinois state law the bill which requires all single occupancy restrooms to be designated as gender neutral and have signage to reflect gender neutral in a place of accommodation or a public building.
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Gov. Pritzker signed into Illinois state law the bill which requires all single occupancy restrooms to be designated as gender neutral and have signage to reflect gender neutral in a place of accommodation or a public building.
Surprised this thread is still going.
All this time I have had no issues using the ladies room in Ky,Ind,Ohio and Tenn.
You're lucky! From news articles I've read some women go totally insane when encountering what they presume is a male in a "woman's" restroom, especially if mom is accompanied by a daughter. Just about all the single occupancy restrooms I have encountered are small and have locks for privacy.
Like Tracy, I have never had more than a second glance turned my way in the restroom, and even that is rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephanie47
We hear about incidents like that, but we never hear how they turn out. I believe that (if they actually happen), the vast majority end with the complainant being told to get over it or get gone. FWIW, I'm pretty sure that the oft-made claim that there has never been a successful prosecution of a transgendered person for using the appropriate restroom. That's because it's just not the issue that arm-flappers behind the bathroom bills would have us believe.
In one of my previous comments concerning my city (Tacoma) the ordinance was enacted at the request of the transgender community. There is certain logic to the request. If the signage for single occupancy restrooms is gender neutral, then there is no basis for anyone to question anyone using the facility. As to never hearing anything about issues arising, there are instances. There were protests at the libraries in King County, WA during "Drag Queen Story Hour." According to an attendee some of the protestors were "guarding" the women's restroom. With the anti transgender rhetoric coming from the top protestors are becoming emboldened.
Anyway, making a restroom gender neutral eliminates anyone's claim on the territory.
No problems for me, but I get in, get it done, and get out.
I was at the library 6 months ago dressed and had to go. It was empty so i ran in there used it while the librarian called for me to come out by knocking on the door. When finished i cam out and they called the library police.
Nothing happened and they said nothing to me.
I'm only just recently brave enough to attempt going into the women's bathrooms en femme. No wig, hair around the length of a pixie cut (although it's not cut as a pixie cut, it's a more traditionally masculine look), and a cloth mask covering from the nose to about half of my neck. (Yay for hiding stubble)
Have only done this twice: once in Target (because I knew their policy) and once at the local mall. No trouble either time. But I'm still nervous about this and would like to know if there's an index somewhere of each state's bathroom laws and/or various companies' bathroom policies? (I live in Texas so... yeah...)
I have used the ladies toilets when fully dressed with no problems or second glances for years. That includes standing in queues outside . I wash my hands and touch up makeup in the mirror in crowded busy toilets no problems. I wouldn?t dare do so if I didn?t feel confident that I look like a woman. I?m concerned to see that in UK there are possible proposals to outlaw the use of the ladies toilets by anyone who is biologically a man. I hope this comes to nothing as I can?t possibly go into the gents toilets dolled up in my finest!
Cheshire girl, I can't see how any such law could be enforced. If one looks like a woman then the only ways to find out are through accurate facial recognition which requires expensive camera systems in the loos (and everyones face already on record) or if someone actually gets a look at your block and tackle while you are in there. There are plenty of GG's who don't look particularly womanly who would be offended if there gender came into question and, for the transgender community, it would open a can of worms in a supposedly very accepting nation where to be LGBTQ is almost becoming compulsary. :) I don't think any political party would even think of going there (at the moment).
As a man I've always hated going into mens public toilets. I feel like a fairy going into a den of grunting ogres. I can almost smell the testosterone. Yuck. :)
Eventually, we're going to see "bathroom bills" viewed as the hate crime that they are. As I've heard Judge Fry put it, all the things that such laws purport to protect "our wives and daughters" against are already crimes under existing law. She also points out that there has never been a successful prosecution of a transgender person using the facilities corresponding to their gender identity. Never. Not one.
So these laws are little more than a kind of straw man argument, designed to consolidate support from a fearful and naive group by presenting a threat that does not exist. If we did that on the basis of race, the outrage would be instant. I am just old enough to remember when that was not the case. I pray that I live long enough to see the same transformation of our society's norms when it comes to the LGBTQIA+ segment of that society. Recent events give me a great deal of hope. :)
That was scary And it can happen to any of us.
Without getting political, I do suspect that the election of a new POTUS will have a positive effect on our community and the way it's viewed.
Hopefully some of the more draconian measures, such as those effecting military personnel will be rolled back. Time will tell no doubt.
Helen, a couple of things you mentioned will swing back to where there were 4 years ago, but a lot of the bathroom stuff and some of the marriage stuff is going to continue to be a fight. There is still a large portion of the population that is on the Uber conservative side, and aren't shy about trying to throw their weight around. Especially in certain States. Also keep in mind that the courts have been heavily stacked to support them. Not just the Supreme Court, but many lower courts as well. The right might grouse about this election, but they got what they really wanted over the last 4 years, which will be difficult to change for a long time barring some drastic measures.
The best thing we can do, the thing we must do, is to continue to provide facts. For example... There already are laws, in virtually every jurisdiction in this country, against the things "bathroom bills" are purported to prevent. There has never been a successful prosecution of a transgender person for using the restroom which corresponds to their gender identity.
MA is strange because it’s a True Blue state, it’s also the most Catholic state and many legislators are quite socially conservative and against abortion and also transgender.
It was a concern for me because I was going out a lot and worried about - everything!. During a physical I told my primary care this was an issue for me and I was working through it with a counselor. He made a note of “gender disphoria” and while that first conversation was awkward, from a legal basis I’d become transgendered.
As a practical matter, first clubs, then restaurants stores, and schools started breaking up their large single sex bathrooms into more, smaller ones. First they added “Family” bathrooms and then expsnded to small “Unisex” bathrooms. So worrying about where and how to pee became much less of an issue.
Haven’t been out in a few years and no idea how Covid cleaning measures will change all this.
I sometimes contribute to this thread when I have a thought and I just had one..... As most if not all of y'all know, I live in the state of Mississippi. I'm not 100% sure on the bathroom laws here regarding transgenders or CD'ers, I'm sure it's the same just about everywhere, where you're allowed to use the public restroom corresponding to the gender you identify as.
Now of course, I'm only a CD'er, I'm not transgender. But a while back, I posted in the forum with a question about using the restroom while out dressed and really, the replies I received were to go to use the ladies' room, act like a lady, walk like a lady, do my business, wash my hands and get out..... I have used the ladies' room while out dressed on more than one occasion and I have yet to have an issue.
When I go into a ladies' room to do my business, that is ALL that I intend to do, then wash my hands and get out of the restroom, just as I would if I were in "male mode" and utilizing the men's room..... I have YET to have an issue, thank goodness. I think some women who have seen me in the ladies' room sort of questioned my gender, (only to themselves, based on the way they looked at me but didn't say anything) but I wouldn't chalk that up as a major issue. If I ever get arrested or questioned by authorities in any way, shape or form, I suppose I'll just tell them that I'm trans..... That would be a lie, but if it kept me out of jail, then so be it! LOL
Anyway, just my two cents cause it seems like some of y'all are constantly over-analyzing this issue. :)
Just saw this thread so I wanted to add in my two cents. I live in upstate NY which is fairly liberal. I have used the ladies room many times with no problem. But I am nervous wondering if I will be caught. I don't think much would happen if I were but it would be a bit awkward. Luckily with a smaller frame I have an easier time passing but I am still careful.
Like many others I have not experienced any issues with using the female facilities. That being said I also just go to do my business, not lingering any longer that to wash my hands and take a quick look in the mirror. The ladies present for the most part never give me a second look, and those that have give me nothing more than a quick glance and a look over if for nothing more than curiosity or the womanly look they do when checking out the others appearance.
This may be a very bad year for hateful and ignorant anti-transgender bills in many states...
https://www.hrc.org/resources/unprec...ender-american
Twenty three of these bills specifically target the most vulnerable members of our community, transgender young people.
Please, do what you can to prevent these reckless attempts to politicize something on which virtually all credible experts agree.
Out of respect for the rules of this forum, let us not debate the politics of these issues here. If you have questions or suggestions, please PM or email, and I will do my best to assist.
Thank you.
According to the AP, Tennessee 's bathroom law was signed which now has penalties for not posting signage at multi-person bathroom indicating transgender persons may be using the facilities. Not posting the signage can lead to a financial penalty as well as jail time. To me this seem a little bizarre. So, the law is not discriminating against transgender person, presumably under the civil rights acts for public accommodations, for using the facilities, but is alerting the general public in the sense of "beware." So, Tennessee is going to "scare" little girls and their mothers' that there may be a transgender woman using the bathroom? What happens when a daughter is out with her father? Does he stand outside the women's bathroom trying to screen for transgender women and go to jail for trying to block access or is he going to take his daughter into the men's room past all the guys using the urinal?
I don't know if anyone else has noticed but there has also been a coordinated attack on transgender youth, like denying types of medical care or not allowing participation in sports. It seems to be blatant discrimination and more likely a call to unite bigoted people with similar thoughts. What ever happened to live and let live??
That is exactly what it is; yet another ploy to garner political support be demonizing "the other". In this case, it's especially despicable because they're pitching it as a "think of the children" thing, when in reality, it's doing those very children very real harm.
I have two thoughts on this. One is that it's becoming information overload for the public. I get we need to educate them but I think they feel there's too much all the time and there's constant correction of their mistakes. That's enough to frustrate anyone and make them Rebelle. It's great that we're pushing our issue forward I think we need to slow up a little bit let the public get used to things as they are and then go a little further. It's not how much we deserve it's how much we can push to that point without pushing too hard.
Along with that I was using bathrooms here in New York City and just outside so kind of been accepting area without much trouble until the push came for bathroom equality. Things actually got worse at that point. I think part of the reason is it's Noble to fight for everyone's right but is it easy for the public to accept that anyone can say I belong here regardless of how they look? I know I'm going to take some heat on this but if Grandpa suddenly says I feel more like Grandma and starts using the women's room in a public place that's a hard sell on any one not part of our community. There's no police outside the bathroom so yeah anyone can walk in including someone with bad intent. Being able to claim they belong there isn't suddenly going to make it happen more. I don't think the laws will change that. I just feel that once we started declaring anyone should have the right there was more and more push back.
I think a better strategy would have been to show some prime examples of people who have transitioned and would look out of place in the opposite bathroom. People would be more willing to understand and accept that their ID may not match their appearance but they should be able to use the place which matches their appearance. This would not be the end goal but it would be a starting point to get the public on board. Then after a certain level of comfort and acceptance was gained, a push could be made full inclusion, with the explanation that not everyone appears the way you would anticipate and see how the public goes with that concept. I just think we've reached a point that the harder we push the more push back we're going to get. I think we need to take a softer approach. You get more flies with honey.
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Trans-Siberian-Orchiectomy. Love it!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Erin
If "the public" were the problem, I'd agree, but that's not where the challenge lies. The public, by and large, does not see us as a problem. Those that do are, by and large, responding to the fear mongering from certain quarters as they attempt to use us as as the latest "other" that only they can protect against.
We should never, ever, back off from calling out this kind of deliberately generated hatred. WE are not "...declaring that anyone should have the right..." That's the assertion of those trying to make us into something we are not, a threat to "our women and children". That assertion pretends that there are not, already, laws against all the things they're trying make everyone fearful of, and that too is something that we should be making plain in our response to their tactics.
As of a June 28, 2021 SCOTUS gave USA transgender washroom rights a huge boost, essentially granting this right within the jurisdiction of the 4th Circuit by declining to hear this appeal.
Gloucester County School Board v. Grimm
https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/06/j...and-bathrooms/
Geography of the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Fourth_Circuit
I just never really got the "anyone can claim to be a man or woman now" argument. No one polices the bathrooms right now or ever has, and no one that gets caught doing terrible things in the bathroom will get off in court with the "But this is where I'm supposed to be!" defense.
Separate is never equal. There should be only one.
When I was serving overseas in Germany I went to a pub that only had one bathroom. Both ladies and gentlemen used it. It had a urinal as well as a stall. Everyone was respectful of each other. Maybe it was because they we too drunk to care about sexual hangups like we American's.
Used to be we had separate bathrooms for blacks and whites. Separate was not equal. It took a lot of years to change how people thought about that.
So here we are again.
I agree w most. I don?t like the i identify as so I can go here logic. It?s to open to be manipulated. I agree with having more individual bathrooms with sink and toilet and locking doors. Like the family bathrooms.
As many of you are no doubt aware, there is a currently a coordinated national strategy to pass laws, at the state level, attacking transgender people, especially trans kids. As I reported in a recent podcast, the ACLU recently reported that they are tracking approximately 280 bills, in over 30 states, aimed at transgender people. If you'd like to know more about this threat to our community, I urge you to make plans to attend the ACLU Town Hall next Tuesday, April 12, at 4 pm EDT (1 pm PDT).
You will want to sign up here: https://action.aclu.org/signup/aclu-national-town-hall
I tried to upload a photo of a gender neutral loo at a place I frequent.
Could not do so.
Anyway, it's the way to go - what do prudes do on an aircraft, for example?
THe whole issue is ridiculous and bigoted, IMHO.
In California we kind of have the questions covered.
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Maine law says its ok for us to use the ladies room. I would make sure to be dressed and act as a lady though. Go in do your business, wash your hands, check hair and makeup then get out. There are some people not good with this but its law here so any problems will be their problem not ours.
Just returned to the UK after spending four weeks in the Beloved Country. Very amusing incident to report.
We were dining at restaurant on a beach on the KZN south coast.
My SO K needed to visit the restrooms.
On her return to the table, she told me that there were only two cubicles - one for the boys and one for the girls.
There was a queue when she arrived. When she got to head of the queue, the boys was the first to become vacant.
The others in the queue said she should use it - not unusual, as I have seen this same scenario happen in several pubs.
When I need to go, I arrived there to find no queue, but both rooms occupied.
I was hugely amused when both doors opened simultaneously, and a young lady emerged from the boys room, and an older man from the girls room!!!
Free to choose, and presenting a male, I headed into the boys room.
Oh, and having taken eight air trips in the last month, I can report no incidents or objections from members of all genders and faiths to the use of unisex toilets This right-wing fear of transgendered people using female toilets is absurd!!!
I live in Manitoba, Canada where gender identity and gender expression is protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Just watching all of this anti-trans BS that's going on in the US is just sad. In Canada, everyone is seen as equal, which includes gender identity.
I've used the women's bathroom before in gas stations, because it was vacant and the men's wasn't, and I had to go. I've also been in line for the men's room before and a woman came out. Whatever. They both have toilets, and most of us know how to use them.
Texas Senate Bill 14 is out of committee. It will revoke the licenses of any caregivers providing evidence-based gender affirming care. It is a statistical certainty that outlawing the most effective treatments for gender dysphoria in minor patients will cost lives. At the "All In For Equality" rally in Austin yesterday, I spoke with two gen-Z individuals who were suicide survivors. They were absolutely clear on this, as were others, including expert caregivers (social workers, etc.) who spoke publicly on the matter.
I've just returned from attending a workshop at a library in the very heart of our faith district. Over sixty attendies of all shapes, ethnicities and genders. The toilets consisted of two cubicles with unmarked doors. Everyone used them, without incident or accident.
Way to go!!!
The thing is the people who are s as ant LGBT+ don?t care if members of our community die. That does not bother them in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aunt Kelly
After interacting with many of them, I'm convinced that they don't believe in facts that conflict with their world view. It's easier to live with yourself that way.
"there is a currently a coordinated national strategy to pass laws, at the state level, attacking transgender people, especially trans kids."
The laws being passed are to protect children who are too young to make permanent decisions about altering their bodies. We don't allow kids to get tattoos, but permanently changing their gender is ok somehow? Already there have been many kids who got "gender affirming treatments" as kids who as adults feel like their lives have been ruined. They wonder how adults could have let them do something so stupid, adults who were supposed to protect them and keep them from doing stupid things. As they consider suicide, will that be ok with you?
My son wanted to grow his hair long with a rat tail when he was in grade and middle school, so I let him. Later he was mad at me for letting him, because I should have known better. Life went on, he survived and forgave me, but at least his willy is still intact.
I thought this was supposed to be about bathrooms?
The title is "Bathroom bills and other laws , discussion thread" - so not just about bathrooms.
The laws are being passed because it's an effective political strategy to appeal to voters' emotions by making up a "threat" and presenting the candidate/bill/party as "the solution", and certainly not because there is any real threat to "the children". On the contrary, there is ample evidence that these bills represent a concerted, national effort to execute this strategy. The similarities in the language in virtually every piece of legislation have the fingerprints of so-called conservative organizations like "Do No Harm" and the "Family Research Council".Quote:
Originally Posted by OrdinaryAverageGuy
The "trans panic" that is being fomented in red states during this legislative session would have you believe that the rise in the number of patients identifying as transgender is the result of "groomers" or some "woke" indoctrination campaign. This is a lie. Transgender people have always been with us, but in recent years, they have been more likely to come out, as tolerance and understanding have become more common. "Common sense" would dictate that, even with this new tolerance, no one would choose to be trans, given the incredible challenges they still face.
Evidence-based, gender-affirming care, for minors, does not "create permanent changes" in their bodies. The people who are saying that it does are, quite simply, lying. The standards of care for transgender minors are quite clear on this. Does misdiagnosis happen? Yes, but the incidence is vanishingly small and does in no way invalidate the efficacy of the treatment.
As for the incidence of regret, post-transition, the arm-flapping is about a virtually non-existent problem. Does it happen? Again, yes, but the actual incidence is less than 1%. Any medical treatment with a 99% success rate is amazing, especially in the face of a 40% suicide rate for patients who do not receive such care.
P.S. - The next episode of the Trans Truth Podcast goes live later today. In that episode, we will be discussing propaganda, it's history, and how the propaganda campaign we're currently discussing here, bears a chilling resemblance to a similar campaign carried out almost 100 years ag.
I personally know four guys who have become or are becoming gals. All waited until they were legal adults. None have been harmed by this wait. I also know a couple who wanted to transition earlier but weren't allowed to. They are thankful for that now, as they realize they were just confused teens.
When you were 14 did you really know what was best for you? Or were you just 14? I thought I knew everything back then. Turns out I didn't know or understand quite as much as I thought I did. If I had had the opportunity to transition back then, I just might have, just to piss off my parents. I didn't really fit in with the boys back then, it would have made a certain amount of sense to my 14 year old immature brain. That would have been a horrible mistake, as it turns out I'm not trans and it also turns out my parents weren't the idiots I thought they were.
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So, IMO the laws which are being passed is a well organized agenda being advanced by specific groups to display a narrative as to what the normal gender affirming care protocols and twist the facts to make it appear that what’s being done is “mutiliation”Quote:
Originally Posted by OrdinaryAverageGuy
Let’s level set:
1. In the vast majority of cases , Surgical procedures are not being done over the age of 18 but there are some exceptions to this.
2. These decisions are being made in most cases by the child, the parents (if supportive), doctors and mental health professionals
3. Pre-puberty, the extend of transition is purely social.
4. The purpose of puberty blockers and hormones is to allow the child to still have the ability to change his/her mind when they become age of consent to continue further with more permanent changes to their transition.
5. Puberty blockers and hormones are for the most case safe and reversible under a doctors care and monitoring.
6. The same group who claim that blockers and hormones are not safe are not preventing these drugs for children for other symptoms ( early onset puberty), which makes their safety concerns mute.
7. The same group who are against surgical procedures are not banning breast augmentation surgeries for cis females under 18, so again that argument is also mute.
I wasn't going to weigh in on this thread, but the following snippets got me motivated to respond.
I personally know one guy who waited until he was a legal adult - me.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrdinaryAverageGuy
Yes, harm was done because of it.
There was the emotional damage (low self esteem, depression, socially inept, trust issues, failed relationships, nearly suicidal, etc.)
Ant then there was the physical damage (too tall, deep voice, large hands, beard, receding hairline, etc.)
Access to proper professional help (counselling and perhaps medical) could have saved me immense anguish and irreversible unwanted physical changes.
This argument is actually an indicator that early intervention SHOULD be available!Quote:
I also know a couple who wanted to transition earlier but weren't allowed to. They are thankful for that now, as they realize they were just confused teens.
Confused teenagers are facing a difficult, complex world while trying to find their place in it. Why would anyone want to prevent them from seeking help to find out what they truly feel?
That's the first step in "gender affirming" care after all - counselling.
They need to be asked questions like "Do you really want this, or are there other things going on that need to be looked at? Let's talk about it and find out," and have someone they can honestly turn to to help figure out the answers.
The image of the "mad scientist" doctors who are foaming at the mouth to do surgery on innocent children who don't know any better - well, that nonsense might work for the late night sci-fi B movies (and certain political agendas). It just doesn't reflect the real world.
This may be a difficult concept for non-trans folk to grasp, but there are kids out there who KNOW what they are. They're not "confused" about it. Their "regret" will be that they had to endure being treated as something they weren't and forced to go through the physical changes (damage) that puberty brings - before anyone would listen to them.
It's a crying shame.
I wish to refer interested people to the August 12, 2012 issue of the New York Times where there is an excellent article on how parents should deal with young boys who want to wear dresses. Let them, but in a controlled way such as setting dress up days or nights. Let them explore that. In most cases that mode will last a little while and as they get older will fade away naturally. Some will continue and that behavior will gain strength. The worst thing a parent can do is tell the child, "No."
It has been well documented that preventing the child from expressing their feelings will create problems all their lives. It creates a desire to have the forbidden that often results in secretiveness, dishonesty, deep depression and suicide. Deprivation of any kind will create those problems to some extent. The person will satisfy their urges in private and hide their things from others. It can become a bit of an addiction-like driven behavior. It is not the behavior that is bad; it is the dishonesty, the secretiveness, the development of a kind of double life, and all of those kinds of things that do the damage. Sound familiar? It should. Just look around at all the marriages that have failed not because one of the couple cross-dressed in secret but because of the dishonesty and unwillingness to find compromises to allow each person to develop and grow in their own way. How many times have you read here of SO's being more upset with the dishonesty rather than the actual dressing? Being secretive about what is natural for you is a result of rigid deprivation of indulging in a behavior that is important to that person's identity.
If the child desires to continue with the dressing and their behavior shifts toward a more female-like pattern then do not prevent it from developing; get involved and guide wisely and with expert help if necessary. This gender reversal thing is only a choice in some, but in most it is a part of who that person is and keeping them from following their natural tendencies is about as cruel as making some people slaves. Prevention of free development with guidance but not prohibition allows people to become who they fundamentally are.
To a large extent, this politicization of gender variance is, in my opinion, mostly just a matter of finding a group that can be demonized so the politician can gain followers. Those efforts are doing far more damage to children that are naturally different from the expectation of what is normal which is actually nothing more than what is common. There isn't any normal - all there is is variation; everybody is unique and they are that way naturally. We should allow that to be followed, but with wisdom as to whether following what seems natural to a child is REALLY harmful or is it just that we think it is harmful because it does not fit some rigid, idealized concept of normal that really is nothing more than the common. Reaching the full potential of human ability is not achieved by idealized concepts of normality but rather letting those wish to fly, fly as far as they can. Don't tie a rope around an ankle and keep them grounded just because the collective thinks that what other people are doing is wrong simply because the critics refuse to make the effort of open their minds and try to understand why they want to fly rather than deciding they should not fly - period.
Thank you, Gretchen. And yes, that is exactly what is going on. When virtually all of the experts in the applicable fields of medicine and psychology (including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the American Psychological Association), agree that age-appropriate, evidence-based, gender-affirming care improves outcomes in patients with gender dysphoria, and when the statistics on suicide rates among groups with treated and untreated dysphoria indicate with stark contrast the efficacy of such care, how could any reasonable person conclude that efforts to ban these treatments are "protecting" anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by GretchenM
The real motivation for these laws is, as you say, political power. A recent New York Times article, documents both the motivation for this movement, and the cunning machinations that have brought it to the impressive success it has enjoyed to date. All this, of course, while that movement so cruelly brings harm to those most affected.
The evidence, I believe, speaks for itself most effectively, and I shall not prove "Godwin's Law" by making further comments here on those who've chosen to ignore that evidence in order to advance their own agendas. I will, however, refer anyone interested to the latest episode (Episode 7) of our "Trans Truth" podcast, wherein we dig into this phenomenon a bit deeper.
Speaking of podcasts, the authors of the NYT article linked above, both appear in this podcast, so if you prefer audio... :)
So, today at church the vicar announced that building consent has been granted for the demolition and rebuild of a new hall. Phase 1 will entail the remodeling of the toilet facilities, so that they can be used during the building process. Access issues mean that the six cubicles will each have full facilities (basin etc.), and there will be just one entrance.
They will be unisex toilets!