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My Class and social status allows me to wander through life as a crossdresser,
which I'm quite happy to be in 50/50 mode daily.
So, I can be waxed polished and all frocked up in my high class community, I'm extravagant / Flambouyant .
So, when I travel to and shop in a low class area my experience is not so pleasant, I'm viewed differently!
So, does my class and status make a difference?
I'm glad to be home,
Stacy
My thought is that more intelligent people are (usually but not always and this is in general) more accepting of differences such as CDing, bdsm, etc.
Lets just say in my home city of Manchester there are areas I most definitely would avoid. Been in the city center several times, never a problem.
Stacey, it's hard to tell from what you wrote how you were dressed for your trip to the "low class" part of town. Were you dressed to the max or just being one of the girls? That can make a significant difference in how you are seen and eventually treated. My experience has been it's best to dress for my age, size and occasion. If I went to the farmer's market, rather than the opera, in pearls, heels and a fancy gown I'd be begging to be treated differently from the women there in pants or simple cotton skirts and tops. I've shopped in high end stores and corner quick stops, but I try to present in ways that fit the tone of the venue.
Hard to describe how I dress Sarah!
I probably dress over the top for breakfast!
Be nice if that didn't matter though!
You are one of those that has said you like to be seen so you got your wish.
A lot has to do with how you treat others. Going in with a huge ego and think you are better than they are yeah I can see them not liking you.
No matter how classy you think you are there are always a class above you that think you are no more that a bottom feeder
Nice, Trac,
Tea and Scones next week?
Subtle Stacy!
Well, that's the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tracii G
Stacy, are you dressing for the occasion, the time of day and the place you are going? Heels and pearls might be fine in Macy's but not in Wal-Mart. Look around you and see if you fit in. If not, that's something for you to work on.
Stacy I was speaking in general how people are I wasn't saying "you "personally were a bottom feeder.
Maybe I should have worded it a little different.
You dress flashy and I have no problem with that at all. Dress however you wish.
I think your perception of what constitutes class and social status may be a little skewed Stacy.
The truth is that prejudice and bigotry exists in all social classes. You're just more likely to hear it loudly expressed in 'low class areas'.
The term class is a bit subjective. I would probably differentiate between safe and unsafe (as in prone to gangs, drug use, solicitation and homelessness). I've been out in pretty up-scale shopping areas and what might realistically be seen as grungy neighborhood bars....but if the people are friendly, I've felt equally at home. In both settings I've encountered the usual array of reactions, but never any overt hostility.
Stacy,
I've never considered my class or status, as a self employed photographer I had to fit in with a wide range of people , I'm just me and accepted for it and that's the way it is when dressed.
Yes I have been in some tricky situations, especially when photographing a wedding in iffy surroundings but it's often the case that we should never read a book by it's cover. Maybe we're not a safe as we think we should be in surroundings we feel we fit best in.
Well if you keep calling them "low class" areas no wonder they give you looks! Do you suppose those people get the same looks in your spoiled-and-entitled-rich-kid neighborhood?
Wow. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!???!! Some people just think their's doesn't stink.
Jon
Well La-De-Frigging-Da!
As a simple middle class, tax paying peasant, I may be speaking above my station, but perhaps "Milady" should stick to her 'high class' neighbourhood where she can look down her nose at the rest of the world. I have two words for you.... they sound like "truck Blue". Have a nice life
Stacy, sincerely, your attitude is what makes a difference! If you treat the CEO and the janitor the same then you have a good attitude! If not, well... Hugs Lana Mae
I've got friends in high places, I've got friends in low places and I kinda sorta fit in at both. I'm not out though and both high n low would be very schocked if I came out especially here in West Texas. My profession allowed me to make friends from the top of the chain to the bottom.
Lana is so right a persons attitude is the secret to getting along in life. Dressed or undressed attitude plays an important part of acceptance.
So, does my class and status make a difference?
Probably not nearly as much as your attitude...
Yeah. What Erin said!
"BOOM!"
... how would they kniw she called them that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Micki_Finn
Hmmm...seems to me that not too long ago, a certain U.S. Presidential candidate referred to a large number of the then-uncommitted electorate (particularly in more rural, "blue collar", and less urbane/"sophisticated" parts of the country) as a "basket of deplorables".
Look how well that worked out for her, Princess Stacy...
Oh, and then there's Marie Antoinette of "Let them eat cake!" fame. Hard to keep one's head screwed on straight after making ignorant and insensitive comments like that. ;)
OK kids, lets keep this as civil as possible. Something about glass and rocks and throwing.
In other words, quit insulting each other
So after thinking that it takes all of us to make the world go around, then thinking that sharing the honest opinion of what does occur in my life!
Now what was it that I was thinking?
I'm an honest person and shall continue to share my thoughts, hopefully we can all learn from each other!
Not so popular Stacy!
Well I certainly learned something from this thread....... :straightface:
Don't worry, Stacy honey. We love you.
Stacy being honest sometimes is a double edged sword as we found out in this thread.
I'm guilty of being brutally honest just like you and sometimes it bites us.
I'm glad you are here and don't change anything about you.
We are all friends here.
Pretty much this....Quote:
Originally Posted by Erin Lafleur
So a few weeks ago I was chatting with a friend (college professor / wonderful lady) we were discussing violence against women (gg), and transwomen. Would anyone care to dispute that transgender women are much more likely to be a victim of violence (right up to getting quite dead) in poorer / rougher neighborhoods than in nicer ones?
I know I'm a lot safer in Roosevelt Field mall (UMC location), than I am at Green Acres mall (the local police precinct was referred to at one point as Fort Apache), so I shop at Roosevelt Field.
Money can be a tool, a shield, a very very nice thing all told, more than anything else it provides choices in life, I'm certain that I am a whole lot safer and more secure than an inner city, poorly educated, low work skill transgender woman is. But the same thing could be said for any middle class V any inner city demographic.
dont feel bad about asking the question you asked, its obvious you meant NO offense and were only asking because of the experience you had, im going to agree with sherrii on this one :)
Interesting thread. To be honest Stacy you were on a hiding to nothing as soon as you made it clear you were doing just fine, yet moaning that those not doing so well were against you. Girl that is just human nature. Reel in the I have more, should be considered ahead of you cr#p and with a little contrition, all will be well in your word.
So class and money does matter!
I'm possibly one of the only swimming instructors (for children) which has never in my life taken payment. I spend two days a week at the soup kitchen!
People seem to be irritated by the fact that I do things for others without charge!
Yeh, I'm the one with the problem!
Stacy
Sorry Stacy55, but what has that got to do with your original post? I think its wonderful that you try to help the less fortunate.
However, your initial post came across as arrogant, condescending, and elitist. That is how I ( and others, apparently) perceived it. If that was not your desired effect, perhaps you should have phrased the question in a better fashion.
My Father used to say: "there are people who can say 'good morning' and you want their kick their a$$, others can tell you to 'go f*ck yourself' in such a way that you look forward to the experience."
Apologies for the Grammagh and phrasing.
In my world things don't make much sense.
I'm genuine though!
Stacy!
Wow reading the post, I guess there is a difference in translation even in English speaking people. It is really nice that you support the poor Stacy.
I used to have my own little business, where i went toall classes of peoples' homes or apartments to clean, or do yard work. Millionaires, and people on Social Security. We all breathe the same air, have red blood, are born, live, then die, no matter the class. Sadly, in this cruel world, human nature can be so class crazy.
I know people in high places and in low places. Some people in high places are scumbags, and some people in low places are genuinely classy. Having high status doesn't make one high class.
It's interesting that some people have the need to remind people of their high class and status, afraid that it may not be readily apparent.
It's got nothing to do with grammar or phrasing... pretty pathetic excuse...
I agree 100% with Nicole's point of view.
For me, I don't believe in class or 'status', its about the attitude of the individual that matters.
They can be a millionare or on the bones of their ass financially, in the end its about the person.
On the other hand, there are places to walk through dressed, and places not to walk through dressed, if you see what i mean.
I know very wealthy crossdressers and transsexuals.
Its easier for them because people want something from them I.e. a job,help,references ect..
You don't have to let anyone know your financial status.
One friend drives an older car dealing with lower income/class people and uses a expensive $480,000 car when dealing with people in his class.
This is quite a funny topic, especially the replies! anyway Stacy you want to count yourself lucky you're from Oz (which I thought was classless!) try living in Britain, the class system here stinks.
It's been my experience that the lower a person's social status, the more likely they are to speak their mind. Maybe they are not as accepting as you think but just not saying anything. The way I see it, if I get treated how I want to be treated, who cares what they really think.