What is the correct title / label?

What is the name/titles?

1. We call a person who only dresses at home a "Closet Dresser" or "Closet Queen".
2. What do we call someone who just under-dresses? "_______"
3. What do we call those who are occasionally / selectively dresses? "_______"
4. What do we call those who dress 24/7? "_______"

When someone is dressed and/or acting male, I typically use "Sir" or assorted titles associated with males.
When someone is dressed and/or acting female, I typically use "Miss" or assorted titles associated with females.
When someone is dressed and/or acting a bit of both, I try to use a gender title that is closest to what I perceive that they are trying to be.

I do not know the full answer and would like it explained / sorted out please. Anyone else need it explained / sorted out?

I guess all of the above, Or none of the above.
Sometimes it is best not to have a Label.

I'm not one who likes labels. Everyone is an individual with different needs and feelings, and should not be relegated to specific labels. At one time or another, I have fit three of them.

What is the name/titles?

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2. What do we call someone who just under-dresses? "Chilly.
3. What do we call those who occasionally / selectively dress? At risk of being arrested for public indecency.
4. What do we call those who dress 24/7? Astronauts.

Was that right? Are there any prizes?

Seriously, now, what you are saying makes sense, especially the bit about how to address people according to their presentation, but I also wonder if focusing so much on nomenclature can turninto some kind of hermetic rabbit hole which is so specialized its usefulness in day to day conversation becomes limited.

forgetaboutit.

Engage the person not the label. If someone has an issue with labels, that's their problem. Don't be bullied as it demeans the rest of us.

@ SirDonna;

I agree with this.
Never found a reason to have a label.

What ever happened to "Hello. What's your name? Oh, Tammy? Nice to meet you, Tammy." Full stop. Simple.

It's all crossdressing unless you're transgendered. I know many trans-women and they would never describe themselves as Crossdressers.
If I'm presenting as a female then I expect to be referred to as one and vice versa

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Gerri

Patience: good ones!

I suppose that since each of us is unique within this hobby/pastime/lifestyle that we each need a label unique as we are. Names sound like a good way to go.

If you don't have a name or term for something, you can't THINK about it or have a conversation where everybody is on the same page. I am a "Cross dresser" as defined as wearing opposite sex clothing while NOT being Gay or Trans. I am an "Escapist" type of CD as I dress to "escape" myself rather than "be myself". Types of Crossdressers might be escapists, fetish, Sado-Masochist (humiliation), autogynephilic, or even personal descriptive terminology might be used, so long as you define it.

1. We call a person who only dresses at home a "Closet Dresser" or "Closet Queen". Wrong! 'A thoughtful husband' is just one of several more accurate descriptors, which spring to my mind.
2. What do we call someone who just under-dresses? When dressed like this, people usually call me by my birth name.
3. What do we call those who are occasionally / selectively dresses? When I am engaging in this activity, my SO always uses my birth name.
4. What do we call those who dress 24/7? The suggested answer 'astronaut' is a good one.

The bottom line is that the OP's premises are all wrong.
And for this reason, the thread should be terminated.
There is nothing useful to be gained from it.
Mods - please do this.

The only thing about labels is you can be sure some will get it wrong.

Really the answer to all 4 questions is INDIVIDUALS and hopefully happy ones.

If meeting someone their name would be the best option.

This community has had a lot of debate over the years but we never agree because we all have differing opinions.

I would call a guy who wears women's clothes more than once a year at Halloween a "crossdresser".

As for addressing a person, the best I can do is address them as what they appear to be unless I know better. Unfortunately, the English language has no good alternative to "Sir" or "Ma'am" so I try not to use either for someone who is dressed in a confusing manner.

My granddaughter is almost six feet tall and has short blonde hair. An older gentleman at Costo called her a man.

It seems that society really needs to find a way to not gender label people. Dropping the "sir" and "mam" would be a good start.

Char,

First step is to stop making the decision to get offended is someone 'misgenders' us, regardless of the circumstance. If we don't let it matter, it won't.

2022 the year to stop using (for me) gender specific nomenclature. I admit that I am societally conditioned to use such terms as: Sir, Mam, Miss, Mr. Mrs. when addressing people. I do this all of the time with friends, people at the gym and the like. I am working diligently on just addressing the person in front of me as just that the person in front of me. In my work the need for clarification of pronoun is simply another topic. I do make sure that I am aware of that not in order to go back to those gender specific terms afterwards but simply to be sure I do not misgender them in the future. This is a very difficult task, but one that is so necessary. As for a term for those who dress 24/7 no other term fits better for me than Fortunate.

If you are choosing a label for someone else, you are ignoring what they would prefer. That's not the same as using a label to describe a group. Crossdressers are all crossdressers, but I would respect what any one of them prefers to call his/her self. Which brings us to pronouns. You must respect what someone else chooses to use in reference to their self. If you don't know, ask.

Labels belong on a jar of pickles.
Not on people.

If you are at a struggle finding the right words. You could always pick something very neutral

Something like "Hey Friend"
People are just that people. No labels needed.
All have potential to be great friends.

Attachment 327658 Hey, how are you? Nice to meet you.

In the UK the Beaumont Society warn against referring to ourselves as cross dressers and suggest transgender is the correct term. The reason for this is (i) that transgender refers to all cross gender behaviour, (ii) in the UK being transgender is a characteristic which has legal protection. Apparently how you describe yourself matters in, for example, legal decisions about custody.

Reading this thread was worth it just to read Patience's response. I believe all those descriptions describe cross dressers and I'm happy to be one. As others have mentioned, there is no need for labels.

If I'm going to have to be labeled, well, I'm a crossdresser for all 4 situations. When I am dressed as a woman, I prefer to be called "Ma'am", even if you suspect there is a penis lurking under my outfit. I'm 63, so "Miss" just isn't going to cut it. As for others, I'm going to try to use female titles for people who appear to be female and male titles for the ones who look male. If I'm uncertain, I'll say "Excuse me" to get attention and not append "ma'am" or "sir" to my "Thank you". And, I suppose, if I am going to be talking to the person a bit, I might be so forward to say, "May I ask what your preferred pronouns are?"

IMHO There is no reason to use a title like sir, miss, etc. When greeting someone, just say ?hello?. No need to use a title.

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Why, thank you ladies!:love:

Private to no one in particular: See? I'm not completely useless! :D

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Originally Posted by char GG

It seems that society really needs to find a way to not gender label people. Dropping the "sir" and "mam" would be a good start.

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Yes, this would be wonderful. :thumbsup:

As an enby i dislike the fact that staff still call me "Sir" when speaking to me in shops etc. :sad:
Occasionally people have actually stressed the word, in a sneering tone, to be deliberately rude. :Pullhair:

Firstly, I'd like to agree with this statement:

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Originally Posted by char GG

It seems that society really needs to find a way to not gender label people. Dropping the "sir" and "mam" would be a good start.

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Secondly, as long as we're talking about labels and at risk of going a bit off topic, I'd like to know it we CDs are considered part of the LGBTQ community. There seems to be some disagreement on that.

Believe it or not, I, too, do not like labels. As a normal rule I do not like labels, but sometimes they have a usefulness.
I was looking for some of the common proper labels for sub-groups within the Cross Dresser world.
I, for one, think of myself as a closeted CDer but then I do, on a few and regularly basis, do go to a get together with my fellow Sisters(?), some of which are like me, we rarely go out of the house dressed. We refer to ourselves as Cross Dressers, but I was wondering if there is a label that is better applied to our sub-group.

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Originally Posted by JennyMay

In the UK the Beaumont Society warn against referring to ourselves as cross dressers and suggest transgender is the correct term. The reason for this is (i) that transgender refers to all cross gender behaviour, (ii) in the UK being transgender is a characteristic which has legal protection. Apparently how you describe yourself matters in, for example, legal decisions about custody.

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Interesting!

I don't consider myself to be transgender, just a crossdresser. To me that implies someone that presents as the other gender all the time. I also don't dress outside the home so I am not in as "deep" as many here are.