Mothers Crossdressing Boys

I've always thought the mothers crossdressing boys thing was a wishful hindsight fiction dreamed up by mtf CD's, but I'm a little startled to find this about Ernest Hemingway, on Wikipedia:

"His mother had wanted to bear twins, and when this did not happen, she dressed young Ernest and his sister Marcelline (eighteen months his senior) in similar clothes and with similar hairstyles, maintaining the pretense of the two children being "twins." Grace Hemingway further feminized her son in his youth by calling him "Ernestine."[3] (Though much is made of this by biographers -- especially Kenneth S. Lynn -- it should be noted that middle-class Victorian boys were often treated in this manner.)"

I know that you can find pics of young Teddy Roosevelt and Franklin D. Roosevelt in girlish garb, too, which confirms the idea that this was just a Victorian fashion. Anyhow, it's odd....and the Wiki piece on Hemingway is a good read, here.

I'm not sure where to post this, and certainly won't mind if it's moved to the lounge.

Another interesting sidelight I found in my reading," Nicholas and Alexandra"
the mother of Prince Felix Yousopovich (spelling may need correcting) was dressed a girl by his mother and he was noted for wearing feminine clothing as he grew to adulthood.
Just in case you're wondering what he did when he grew up? He murdered Gregori Rasputin, the staretsky who beguiled the Tsarina with the belief he, Rasputin could keep the Tsarvich healthy and safe from the Haemophilia he suffered.

One thing is that it has been fashion at times to dress young girls and boys alike until adolescence. The other thing is that some parents even might do it because they like to have a child of the opposite sex (some parents, including mothers, are child molesters. More common is that they beat their own children to death).

IMO, something complete different is the question if you can make a CD or TS this way. I have my doubts (not aware of a pic of the adult Hemingway in a skirt. He probably would have written about it, anyway.)

Rasputin was a fascinating character. I've read everything I can find about him, being interested in Russia and Orthodoxy. He was decidedly hard to kill. What are the odds he'd come up in a thread I started about feminizing Ernest Hemingway?!

And no, there are certainly no pics of the adult Hemingway in a skirt! He most certainly overcompensated in the other direction.

I like his prose. I kinda like Gertrude Stein too, I can see that she informed a whole generation of famous men - Ezra Pound, Hemingway, Sherwood Anderson, and indirectly, T.S. Eliot. I like her Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas and her concept of brownies laden with tetrahydracannabinol. But some of her other stuff is unreadable, needs cliff notes to make sense of, like the later James Joyce, and that annoys me to no end.

Hi Everyone: Iknow its trendy now to blame everything on "childhood experiences" and everything is now "child abuse" but I don't think what my mother did was abusive. I do wonder if it made me inclined to CD however.

I was age 4, this was before all children were in some kind of preschool. I was home with mommy everyday when my sister was at school, she 4 yrs older. One day when my sister came home with 2 of her little friends my mother was washing and probably getting my sister's clothes that were to small ready to take to somewhere. My mother saw that I was interested, no preoccupied with my sister's girlfriends. I always wanted to play with my sister's friends.

My mother says "lets see what U would look like as a little girl". So she takes my clothes off in front of the girls, and they R giggling, then she puts me in my sisters panties, plaid bib front party dress with buttons up the back and a full pleated skirt with a crinoline and socks with lace and mary janes. I remember being excited and crying at the same time. Perhaps I was crying because I didn't understand why I was excited. Then she said "U look so cute, just like a littel girl".

I remember that clearly, and it never happened again. The next time I crossdressed it was my idea, and it was my older sister's black lacecup underwire bra (a 36B)on the floor and it spoke to me. I knew when I fastened it behind my back, like I had seen my mother do, and adjusted my self into the cups that I was a crossdresser forever. I decided to take it, and as I did I also saw on the floor over by her bed the matching LLPG. Yes it went with me also.

I have tried to stop when I was younger, without sucess. I now embrace my crossdressing and do it all the time. NO more guilt or recriminations. It is a quirk, a man wearing clothes nothing more. How much less innoccuous could anything be. It hurts noone, gives me great pleasure and is not unhealthy and costs very little.

Bull.

Does this ring a bell?

"Hi Everyone: I started at age 14, the usual older sister's hot sexy lingerie. I was caught straight away, at least within several weeks."

with the rabidly bibliophilic me, yeah good chances, lol. Decidedly hard to kill, that's putting it mildly. The whole story of his murder is enough to give one nightmares!
Back in from about 1400-1800 yes, children were alike dressed in infant gowns if they were of sufficiently noble birth, and with lace and ribbons. Paintings of any of the noble families show that trend clearly.
Lower social classes simply skipped ribbons, lace and satin aprons.
There was another writer of note, 'George' I can't remember the last name, who was a English lady who wrote prose. For some reason I think she also dressed like a man. Maybe it's the heat and the one ice cold beer Lawren just handed me.....I can't think! LOL!

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I was age 4, this was before all children were in some kind of preschool. I was home with mommy everyday when my sister was at school, she 4 yrs older. One day when my sister came home with 2 of her little friends my mother was washing and probably getting my sister's clothes that were to small ready to take to somewhere. My mother saw that I was interested, no preoccupied with my sister's girlfriends. I always wanted to play with my sister's friends.My mother says "lets see what U would look like as a little girl". So she takes my clothes off in front of the girls, and they R giggling, then she puts me in my sisters panties, plaid bib front party dress with buttons up the back and a full pleated skirt with a crinoline and socks with lace and mary janes. I remember being excited and crying at the same time. Perhaps I was crying because I didn't understand why I was excited. Then she said "U look so cute, just like a littel girl".

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Bull is right...I don't believe one word of it.
Try posting this nonsense on:
www.fictionmania.com
or
www.storysite.org

That's gotta be George Sand.

I've seen pictures of my grandfather in a dress as an infant. He told me that in those days it's was pretty common.

Noname, I think that's true. It was common then.

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There was another writer of note, 'George' I can't remember the last name, who was a English lady who wrote prose. For some reason I think she also dressed like a man. Maybe it's the heat and the one ice cold beer Lawren just handed me.....I can't think! LOL!

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George Eliot? She wasn't a cross dresser, but George Sand (French) certainly was. Sand was romantically involved with Frederic Chopin. Both women were novelists.

Jan

I suppose in a number crunching way then someone somewhere must have been in some very warped situation with a mentally unwell mother making them dress as a girl. Maybe she lost a child earlier etc. But i'd take the risk of calling it rubbish as I haven't won the lottery either so I hope they never post here and expect me to take them seriuously.

Historically , the intention was different. Children weren't regarded as people. They were rather annoying things that one needed to produce. The dressing thing was probably a simple practical thing....like "It's 4 years old WTF does it care what it wears!"

Personally, I think any woman who would try to feminize her Son like this is kind of a "sick pup". Cding needs to be done by the choice of the individual. I know there is a lot of literature out there about "forced feminization" even with adults but I personally don't believe in it. Being Ericka is 100% my choice and I'm not a "victim" of anything or a "slave" to anyone. I'm my own person and you can take that to the bank. Ericka

My two older sisters dressed me up as a girl (outfit, shoes, makeup) somewhere between age 7 and age 12. It was just once and just for fun on their part.

If I remember right it was done for a "show" that they wanted to put on for my parents.

It was some years later that I stole my sister's pantyhose and wore them under my pants from time to time through high school.

That's the writer, George Sand. Blame the heat and weariness, but yes, that's the author I was trying to recall in vain, thanks!

My great uncle was dressed that way I have a pic and the family they were just dirt farmers, Uncle Will was in a very plane dress and straw hat much like a girl would ware at about age three. Another famous one for that was the author of "Winnie The Pooh" he is said to have problems for years over it. I don't know to what extent he was treated that way. Gender is such a confusing thing particularly when your young.

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They were rather annoying things that one needed to produce

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And then there's the "Oops!" factor- not only annoying but unexpected.:D
On an Anthropological note the dressing of boys in girlish fashion (as I've read of in old Ireland) was tied to the notion that the Fairy Folk would take a boy but leave a girl. Probably some basis in the real life economic value of boys vs. girls in traditional societies. But another, more practical, reason to dress a toddler in a smock is that there was neither the time nor money to bother with diapers. The lad could just "go" without having to be attended to. Since people kept livestock in their houses there was already plenty of filth about!

My mom dressed my youngest brother at least once.

He didn't become a CD. I think you have to have that certain "trigger" within you that gets pulled at some point when trying on fem items.

I have a family group picture that includes an uncle in a white dress. He was around 3 at the time.

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My mom dressed my youngest brother at least once.

He didn't become a CD. I think you have to have that certain "trigger" within you that gets pulled at some point when trying on fem items.

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I completely agree. at least 90%, if not nearly ALL boys have at one time or another in their lives, have dressed, been dressed as girls or have worn at least one or two girly items. And in only a few of us, has something "Triggered" .

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I completely agree. at least 90%, if not nearly ALL boys have at one time or another in their lives, have dressed, been dressed as girls or have worn at least one or two girly items.

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Where'd you come up with this stat?
There's absolutely no way that it's accurate. No Way.
Of course, you're the one who posted about boys being dressed up in weddings. It's pure fantasy. fictionmania stuff. It doesn't happen in real life. If it does, it's child abuse, cut & dried.

Charlie Manson! I've read that his mama dressed him up as a girl and sent him off to school. I'm not sure of the truth behind it. Many Moons ago that I read the book. But sure does explain enough about Chuck.

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Charlie Manson! I've read that his mama dressed him up as a girl and sent him off to school.

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well...there you go...that would warp anyone...that explains everything, huh?
maybe they should let poor Charlie out of prison now? :tongueout

More popular over in UK and that general area, it's called petticoating and it does happen. Usually used as a form of dicipline to help keep misbehaving boys in line. It's not uncommon for wive to use it with their husbands as well.

The fictionalized versions have all sort of other 'stuff' that happens as a result, but in reality, it is used shame the subject into submission. Some may secretly enjoy it, but most don't - which is why their mothers/wives use it.

Love & Stuff,
Donna

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Where'd you come up with this stat?
There's absolutely no way that it's accurate. No Way.
Of course, you're the one who posted about boys being dressed up in weddings. It's pure fantasy. fictionmania stuff. It doesn't happen in real life. If it does, it's child abuse, cut & dried.

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Its no stat---but opinion based on an observation---That at least 90% of boys. young men have had some dressing experience, partial or otherwise sometime in their lives. Not necesarily forced or full blown---hard to avoid actually. Halloween, school /college plays or skits. jokes and/or fooling around by self and others, besides the obvious, GFs, big sisters and moms, etc. etc. These events are usually not thought of as a "big deal" in most cases, and are dissmissed or nearly forgotten by most---except in those of us it "Triggers"

The wedding thing is on the "Atlanta Weddings" bride page--I was just reporting it. And if anyone could find any evidence that it DOES happen.---(One of the "dryest of holes" for research BTW)

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well...there you go...that would warp anyone...that explains everything, huh?
maybe they should let poor Charlie out of prison now? :tongueout

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Charlie may surf but charlie doesn't want to be let out. He always does something nuts at his parol hearings. I can recall a swastika/forehead incident.
I think the whole girly thing still has him down.

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Its no stat---but opinion based on an observation---That at least 90% of boys. young men have had some dressing experience, partial or otherwise sometime in their lives.

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No offense toward you intended, but I simply don't believe that.

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The wedding thing is on the "Atlanta Weddings" bride page--I was just reporting it. And if anyone could find any evidence that it DOES happen.

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I serious doubt that anyone will find evidence of that, because it simply doesn't happen. Whoever posted on that "Atlanta Weddings" page has a wild imagination.

Sometimes I wish I was dress as a girl. But never was. :sad:

I just want to thank everyone for the interesting comments! I have nothing to add, except again to note that during the Victorian era, it was apparently commonplace to dress boys under the age of about 3 in what looks to today's eye like girl's clothes. I don't know what to make of it.

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well...there you go...that would warp anyone...that explains everything, huh?
maybe they should let poor Charlie out of prison now? :tongueout

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:Angry3: :Angry3: :Angry3: :Angry3: :Angry3: Maybe only if you dress him and send him to the farthest most logging camp, I'm sure they will know what to do with him!

When I was born, my 5 older sisters treated me like a living doll and dressed me in girl clothes, this continued until I was about age 5 when "Dear:evil: Daddy" put a stop to it because he didnt want his sone to turn into a "fairy"!

Didnt really understand that then because as a child of 5 I thought "fairies" were little peoples who did nice things for other peoples. I had no idea he thought I would turn out 'gay'.

But as for dressing in boy's in what look like girl clothes in the "Victorian era", well it was a diferent time and it might have been done because it was simply easier for changing diapers, potty training and maybe nobody actually made pants for little kids. just my thought...

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But as for dressing in boy's in what look like girl clothes in the "Victorian era", well it was a diferent time and it might have been done because it was simply easier for changing diapers, potty training and maybe nobody actually made pants for little kids. just my thought...

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You are correct---The boys were not actually dressed as girls, but as "infants" and "children" There were no distinctions in "infants and children's" clothing for boys or girls---they were just that-- INFANTS AND CHILDREN. The clothing was of ONE style for both girls and boys.---boys however would eventually "graduate" from skirts (breeching) when they got older, but girls never did.

This thread has turned into one big argument...it is now closed.