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:strugglin I dont understand why some of the ladies on this forum would go through getting all dressed up, take a digital picture, and send it here, and not show their face. What do you have to lose? besides-it is so hard to recognize someone here even if it were your neighbor:happy:
I think you will find it either comfort factor or that the person does not feel comfortable with their makeup skills
I think my favorite part is seeing the ladies in full makeup I love that!
I haven't seen all that many people with their heads chopped off though, so I just haven't had the problem.
I do show my face and have even shown on occasion my male side. In the forum its arguably safer in the members only picture area. I never anticipated posting public pictures initially, I just did once intending to take them right down, but it felt so validating to see them that I left them. I now really look foward to posting them.
My Blog is probably more dangerous than the forum. Even though I set my settings so it isn't searchable or on a regular rotation with Blogspot, thanks to web crawlers and Google it may as well be.
I have had well over 3,000 visitors, dunno who they are, most don't leave even an anonymous note. The only info I get is maybe (75% of the time) where they clicked from to get there and maybe the city or state or country. Those far away frm anyone I actually know bother me not at all. SInce I live in a city of 4,000,000 people, it shouldnt bother me when inevitably one is from my metro area. What are the odds the know me.
I get their weirdest hits sometimes. People searching for slingbacks, people searching for random names I mention. My favorite recently was someone from nasa.gov Googled "women's wingtips" and got me. weird world.
My theory now is add to the chaos. The more information and pictures out there, the more there is for someone to sort through to make any sense of it. If someone wanted to read the 50,000 to 100,000 words I have typed here and in my blog the last 3 months, they could sieve the information down to one and only one person, me. But who would and why would they do that?
I have thought of doing some headless shots lately though because sometimes its about the clothes. I have a closet full, and no time when my photographer/make-up artist/wife/lover/babysitter is able to help me at a time that I am not working/sleeping/babysitting/cleaning/cooking. I have probably 20 to 25 pairs of shoes that I have never seen a picture of to see how they look on.
Well for some its just not worth the risk
It may be a one in a million chance of getting recognised
Think what the consequences could be
loss of marriage or partner
loss of Children (maybe)
loss of Job
Even exposure in a newspaper depending on who they are
All of which could pretty much leave them a wreck so I never condem anyone for not showing their face
The HEAD is the most important part, as far as I am concerned. Fortunately, In a wig and makeup, I look nothing like my male self, so I dont fear recognition.
TO EACH HIS OR IN THIS CASE HER OWN LITTLE AT A TIME THANK GOODNS WE HAVE EACH OTHER HERE BABY STEPS :be:
Being one of those ladies, that goes through all of the effort and trouble to get dolled up but then only show a picture from the neck down I'll explain.
Some of us are in positions, jobs, areas of the country etc where cross dressing can get you fired or have a negative effect on your career. Ex.#1 You are a high school principal, school system superintendant, teacher, coach etc. Would you risk the possibility of getting outted by showing your face, and possibly being recoginzed by another teacher or any school staff, who then anonymously copies and pastes your picture for the whole entire school to recognize.
Ex.#2 You are a judge, police officer, firefighter, prosecuter, in the military etc. Again do you want to take the same risk. Also what effect could it have on your ability to do the job.
Ex. 3 You are preacher, religous leader, etc. In a very conservative part of the country. Do you want to take the risk of your congregation finding out.
I am not in any of the above listed proffessions, however where I do work I know my employer would not approve of me doing this if they found out.
Do not get me wrong, I understand everyone takes risk and in basicaly most proffessions being found out that you are a crossdresser could possibly have a negative effect on your career. I respect and look up to those of you who have the courage to show your faces. I am slowly getting to the point where I am ready to show mine.
So for the time being all I am comfortable with doing is showing me from the neck down. Hope this helps to explain a little. :2c:Jocelyn
Although I understand ( I think) the why. I just Hate HATE SEEING them......Just my first instinct is yuck!! Then I think....might as well be a pic of clothes on a hanger or mannequin. Just my pet peeve.
Originally for me putting a picture up, then putting it up with face blurred out was out of fear of being known. Now I know who is going to recognize me dressed with wig and makeup on and with just a picture and no reference. So for a while I did have a few pictures up.
Then my wife found out and she is not comfortable having them up. So I am back to faceless pictures when I put them up. If it makes her happy. And besides the pluses I get out of her being happy far out way my want for pictures being up.
I liked the blurred face over the headless ones.
I think my siblings would recognise me even with the wig and makeup, I look too much like my sister in my current avatar picture. If, on that million to one chance, they actually see my pic and recognise me, oh well, stuff happens, they'll just have yet another reason not to talk to me!
I used to keep my face hidden, but then I had a beard which did not fit the feminine image, now I no longer have the beard I am happy to show my face. It seems I have been recognised as my male self from my female photos though (well possibly, never was more than a suggestion) although that's another longer story than I would go into here.
I have no problems with showing my face on this site. On the one in a million chance that someone who knows me could recognize me I feel quite safe about it. Even if it happened, so what? My job is not so critical whereas I would be fired for wearing dresses, it would only lead to ridicule and laughter but I can put up with that. It is my life and I will live it in the manner that I want to.
I have to agree with OCC, why would anyone come searching at a crossdresser web site looking for a judge or a preacher. etc...unless they already knew...If the happened to stumble on your pic here and actually recognized..the first question would be to them" why are you even here"'..they must be into CD gals or something..
a few years ago a friend who doesnt know my fem side was at my place and saw a pic of me as Jennifer and asked who she was. I said oh its an friend and that was that, so take it for what its worth, i think the odds of being struck by lightning are better than being out here:2c:
Jennifer:love:
I don't show my face for a couple of reasons. First off, I think I can look waaaay more sexy and girly showing just my bod, even though it's built more like Chyna than Paris. And, while I think my makeup skills are pretty good, when I look at pix of myself, to me, I don't look feminine in the least (well, a little bit). My jaw is really square, and my features are very "guy."
If I do my outfit just so, and take good pictures, I can sometimes pull off GG, but with the face, nah. But, I'll do an occasional closeup of lips, eyes, etc. . .
For me, dressing is an at home activity, I'm not concerned with going out and passing. My 6'3" and 190+# pretty much assures that.
And, there's that recognition thing. I'm not famous or anything, but in my community, I'm reasonably well-known, and wouldn't want any professional stress. My girlfriend appreciates this as well.
I may lessen as time goes by, but that's where I stand now.
I happen to like my avatar pic which I took with self timer and didn't quite get the pic framed correctly (ooops). But here I am in all my glory (get your barf bagready!) just in case anyone was wondering. :o
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...8/DSC_0007.jpg
I agree that it would be very difficult to rcognize someone who is in full makeup and wig. I seriously doubt anybody who knows me only drab, would ever rocognize me en femme. Oh, somebody who knew me well-enough "might" see some sort of resemblance, but IMHO it is a very low percentage thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by occdresser
That said, some just are not comfortable going that far, yet. Maybe they will get there, maybe they won't.
Toyah is correct about another side of this issue. Some have noted on here from time-to-time, that they aren't that comfortable or proficient in doing their makeup and/or hair styling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyah
I agree with Marina that the head -- or more importantly, the face -- is the most important part of the photo -- the window to the soul is in one's eyes -- and the window to their personality is in their smile. (BTW, those who might be reluctant to post b/c they aren't as proficient as they want in re makeup and hair styling, I know several of us have spent a goodly amount of time PMing anyone who has ever asked for advice.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marina Twelve
Jocelyn makes a good point, too -- but I have been in TWO of the positions she has noted and I live in a small, conservative city with MAJOR "small-time thinking." Nevertheless, I feel posting my picture here is a very low-odds risk. A person would have to come to this site -- then find a post of mine -- then recognize me. The last one is where I feel most secure b/c when I have been out en femme -- even on Halloween in the neighborhood -- neighbors who have known me for years and years have not recognized it was me. (That's one great reason to get the proper makeup and practice, practice, practice -- our GG's have been doing this since most were little girls. You just can't slap it on and expect it to look good -- and with the blue beard hue many of us have, you've got to add concealor and red lipstick first. Until you are proficient, plan on makeup taking two hours. When you are proficient, think an hour.)Quote:
Originally Posted by JocelynQuivers
[QUOTE=nikki_t;1019948]I happen to like my avatar pic which I took with self timer and didn't quite get the pic framed correctly (ooops). But here I am in all my glory (get your barf bagready!) just in case anyone was wondering. :o
Dear,
You look lovely! Your upper lip has wonderful curves, and those smouldering eyes are hot... Your face has all the potential that a professional makeover would make into a real beauty. Try one, and take notes on what they do, and come out from behind those face-hiding tresses....then you'll be pasting your face all over the forum !
By the Way......Nobody has a head that would look as lovely as your legs ! Oh My...they are a Wonder !
:rose: Roberta :rose:
I, on the other hand, get recognized fairly readily even when I am in full makeup and wig. Seriously, the first couple of times I went Out fully dressed, people that had seen me a small number of times in bad light, came over and said hello, having quickly picked me out and figured out where they knew me from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheri 4242
If someone were to do a profile shot of my face, then my mother might get questions about why her picture was there! :o Scary resemblence! I think that (dressed) I may look more like my mother than my sister does!
It's just one of those things; some of the gals at our club look like totally different people when dressed; I seem to be more in the "I know you!" side of the spectrum. It isn't that I have some huge nose or a thick unibrow or a blazing tatoo. Just one of those genetic things.
Soon my pics will be on here once i get them goin, i can't wait to share :)
[QUOTE=RobertaFermina;1020303]WOW! Thanks Roberta! I've been trying to get a pro make over in my area for a while but can't even get a pro make up artist to respond to my calls/emails. We go to Vegas a bit so I'm planning on using NicoleR's (Primp This) services the next time we go there. :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by nikki_t
Nikki
:lol2: Tess -- that cracks me up b/c I know exactly what you mean! For year's I've said my oldest daughter looks like my side of the family. For years my ex's side of the family has said she looked like them. The first time that my wife (current and lifelong) and I saw some pictures of me after a make-over, we both (almost simultaneously) let out a low whistle. :lol2: That is maybe the only way my picture would out me b/c, as you said about your mom, if anyone who new this daughter saw my photo, they might start asking my daughter questions regarding why she was on here. :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by tess-leigh
(((***Sheri wipes steam from her Christie Brinkley frames after reading Roberta's post to Nikki***))) Nikki, if you go to Vegas, I know of a couple of makeup artists out there who might be able to do your makeup and hair.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikki_t
I fear the same thing too because of my job. (That's whay I don't show myself on my avitar) I usually post my full self on the pic and video gallery because those pics can't be accessed by anyone except members only. I know there's still risk involved, but it helps make myself more real to other members.
Thanks Sheri!! We try to get out there at least twice a year. Not sure when we'll get out next time but we decided to drive next time (airline almost lost my boobs and patent FMB's last time!! LOL). I'll PM you for the info if we get anything fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheri 4242
Clarissa you sneaky devil... just got yourself on myspace and didn't invite me. :tongueout If we do drive to Vegas be warned it will be via Arizona so I'll have to stop off and clip you round the ear young lady!! :heehee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarissa
I would if I did not have a beard.
Well you have the classic tale of the "Headless Horseman" so why not have a modern tale of the "Headless Crossdresser?"
Both reek havoc on society when they show up.
The Headless Horseman carries a flaming pumpkin in his hand. The Headless Crossdresser carries a flaming wig head. No...make that a digital camera.
Screams can be heard. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! Adobe Photoshop. No!!!!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=nikki_t;1019948]I happen to like my avatar pic which I took with self timer and didn't quite get the pic framed correctly (ooops). But here I am in all my glory (get your barf bagready!) just in case anyone was wondering. :o
You lookin' good girl...keep showing that face here..this garden only has pretty flowers LOL.
my pic does show my face.However,depite make up,wig etc,i still prefer to look at myself from the 'neck down' and appreciate my wonderful clothes and look.Id call myself slim(as well as Claire),so think i look quite passable as a woman.
I am one of your "Headless Crossdresser's", I do not show my face in the pics, because I do not have a nice wig (yet) and my make-up is not very good at the moment. I also think my face is not very fem looking one, even with my make up attempts.:eek: There is all so a time factor, when I have time to take my pics (which is limited) I can change outfits quickly with having to worry about smugdeing the make up etc and take a greater number of pics.
I want to be a part of this forum by showing some of the clothes I have and how I look in them, which to me is the main reason that I am a crossdresser.
It is a big step out of our dark closets for some of us to show pics, so please be nice to us we are trying very hard to fit in were we can. :hugs:
Bravo! Bravo!
for those of us who are brave enough to show face to all whether totally passable or somewhat less...
And Bravo! to those who present in public without concern for the thoughts of others...
Being a broadcaster, my face is more readily recognized than others, so I stand a greater risk of discovery.
Saying that, there's a wee brave part of me that would like to be discovered...live through the embarrassing stage to the ...'they really don't give a damn" stage ...to the "somedays he's a she" stage to where it's accepted publicly as normal.
Perhaps if more media , advertising agencies, fashion gurus and the like leapt onto the bandwagon, then what people wear for their own pleasure might lose any distinction in the public eye.....
That's just a wee part of me, though, so I remain in fear of being noticed when my wife and I enjoy a 'girl's night out' ...
...I'm currently a chickenshit...
My birthday is tomorrow, I'm looking forward to my birthday present from her... breast forms and a dress up party for two. Then out for dinner where I'll have to show ID for a free birthday dinner. (I'll most likely pay)....
I'll get to the headshots soon...and add more pics.
For Halloween, my most awesome SO has booked us both into a makeup studio.
She's going as me, and I as her. There'll be photos and I'll post them.
As a footnote, a massive thanks to this forum for a list of reasons that many of us share.
I'm not the only one
I'm not a freak
I'm proud of me
I can have fun
I'm a guy, I drink beer and yell at the TV, I drive wild sometimes, I have a mean left hook, belts in three martial arts and four great sons and sometimes I wear 5" heels and look and feel great in a skirt. I caught 6 very nice rainbow in a high-mountain lake with my new fly rod and I'm going back for more. .. and I love my wife and enjoy my work and never have enough money.
Ain't life great?
So add your face...I'll add mine...(when I've got a good one...)
or don't.
It's not an issue, girls.
We are here because in one way or another, we need each other, whether your face is visible, whether you pass or not...it's so....not so much about that.
Do you feel good? Do you feel complete, or happy, or hot?
... That is what matters.
Not whether or not we display our persona to the forum..or the world.
It's how we display ourselves to ourselves.
With that in mind.... You are HOT enfemme.
and so am I.
CD Steph
Thanks Marsea! :hugs: It's only taken me two weeks to pluck up the courage to do this LOL. This is with the support and encouragement of everyone on these forums. Deep down I know nobody will recognize me and it's not like I have my zip code in my profile. :heehee:Quote:
Originally Posted by My Lady MarseaYou lookin' good girl...keep showing that face here..this garden only has pretty flowers LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikki_t
You got that right!! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by cdsteph
Well said to only add it is also terms with SO's that may not be accepting in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by JocelynQuivers
Just as many have said. Some do it for security and to keep a low profile. I have a Tgirl friend that is a Cop that goes out with the gang here in Atlanta all the time. Its too late now but she in a moment of candor told me if she had it to do again she would keep a lower profile and not have her pics all over the net...but too late now so she just goes with it. Plus I keep telling her she looks NOTHING like her boy side when enfemme...so I think she will be ok.
Others just might not be happy with the look yet...or not have all the wigs and makeup yet to do it with. It is after all relatively easy to order fem cloths online. But Wigs and Makeup are tougher. Oh you can order those too...but to really get what you need you have to go to a shop with an expert salesclerk to get your makeup in the right hue or to find the right wig to cut and style.
I know I was thrilled when I got my first pics that I thought looked decent enough to use for a profile. I can still remember going to my yahoo page and putting my mug shot on the page. Oh lord I really thought I had accomplished something and was runnin with da big dogs then!!! :heehee:
But I don't judge away on pics or any of that. I used to be faceless on the local atlanta yahoo clubs espcially...really I just lurked for a good while watching the girls post and reading up on stuff. Now for all the faceless guys that hit on me via email or IMs....I do iggy them!!! :devil:
:hiding:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deidra Cowen
I "lurked" on here too for so long before plucking up the courage to join in. So glad I did and actually regret not joining much sooner.
As for the "faceless guys": :Pullhair:
Thanks Jocelyn, I'm in one of those professions and can't risk it. Loss of my job would effect my family and therefore, no pics.Quote:
Originally Posted by JocelynQuivers
I would have no particular problem if my family saw me and recognised me but if anyone from my area recognised me my family and me would have more hate and abuse to put up with that most of you would not understand, and i am not guessing at that i no it for a fact but i am not willing to explain any more than that .
joanne
For myself, and 'headless' photography, I have too many computer-savvy and inquiistive kids around here to take on any more risk than I already do in the areas of 'exposure', and, I have quite a lot of facial hair that totally blows the look. (Its especially a bummer because I love lipstick, and you just can't see it through all that!)
** I considered making up some kind of "All the old family photos had heads cut off so I thought that is the way it is supposed to be" but I thought better of it! :)