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    heterogirls & transboys

    i am definitely very new here and as of yesterday, i never ever thought i would be posting in a forum on a website called "crossdressers.com"

    but. here i am. and i need your help... this is long and i apologize, but i'm totally new to this.

    i am a heterosexual girl who is in like with a transgender boy. ever since we first started hanging out about a year ago, things just clicked. we have been existing as best friends for about 8 months now, hanging out every weekend, going on trips together, and talking almost every day for hours. i felt like we could tell each other anything. i guess i always had a little crush on him and that was what made it possible for me to spend so much time with him, but it wasn't until recently that i really accepted that yes, i *like* like him.

    yesterday when he came over to my house, we sat together on my couch and stayed up all night talking. i kind of let it slip that i'm romantically attracted to him, and he said he feels the same way.

    then... i thought he was going to kiss me, but instead, he came out to me.

    he said "i'm a boy, but i have a girl's body..." i was just like... "what?" and he had to repeat it a couple times. i thought he just meant like, he thinks he's too skinny or too short because he is a little shorter and skinnier than me. but no... up until 4 years ago, he had been living as a girl. he told me he has GID and takes regular injections, which is why he can grow his facial hair. also i think he has had top surgery.

    it was a complete surprise. sure, he has a unisex name and is a little effeminate, but lots of japanese boys seem very feminine compared to american boys. if anything, i thought he was gay. i would always tease him about being gay or being a girl, but that was only because i never thought it could actually be true. i immediately felt horrible for how i had teased him before.

    he told me that if i wanted to take back my confession of romantic feelings, he would understand. i just looked at him with tears in my eyes and told him that it was him that i cared about, *him*, not what was (or wasn't) in his pants. i was so impressed with his bravery to tell me such a big secret. all i wanted to do was hug him and comfort him and tell him that i accepted him just the way he is and he doesn't have to worry.



    in japan, there is a word that gets thrown around quite a lot recently. it is "new-half" and it mostly refers to MtF. there are new-half clubs/hostess bars, and even a handful of new-half celebrities (haruna ai, ikuko, etc.) who appear regularly on TV. usually they on variety shows as comedians or singers or giving make-up/fashion tips, but i did catch a serious interview with haruna ai. she said that she always knew she was a girl, but she was just trapped in a boy's body. that interview was the extent of my exposure to transgenderism.

    after my boy came out to me, and went back to his house the next day, i seriously googled/wikipediad/youtubed the crap out of transgenderism and "transmen" because i wanted to know exactly what he was dealing with and going through. that is how i came to this site.

    i read pages and pages of what you all have written on here and it has helped me so much. i think i'm starting to get an idea of what my boy has been dealing with.

    now i need some advice.

    i have so many questions that i want to ask him about him being a transman, but i don't know if it's ok to ask? for example about when he knew he was a boy, how he went about finding out how to be a boy physically, if he has periods, if he plans on getting more surgery, if he used to be a lesbian, etc. etc.

    also, i'm a Christian, so i don't believe in having sex before marriage. so if we dated, i wouldn't have to worry about things in bed until if we got married... but i still want to touch him and sleep (yeah, sleep) with him but i have no idea what he expects/wants in a physical relationship. is there a "norm" for transmen in regards to expectations in physical relationships?

    i met him as a boy, and he is a boy to me in my mind, but i still want to joke around with him as always about how he's a girl or something but now i feel like if i said something he wouldn't feel like he's passing... i guess i'll just have to watch what i say.

    so i don't know. if there is anyone who is going through the same thing, or any transmen who have some insight on what my guy must be feeling now or how you would feel in a similar situation, please please please reply.
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    If he came out to you, he shouldn't have a problem with you asking. He'll probably feel better to know that you know what you need to, i know I would. If he was born a man, he cannot have periods, science is not that good. There is supposed to be a cycle that may affect emotions that happen in all men, but no bleeding, etc.

    As for what he wants sexually, every TG man is different. Ask him.

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    If you have not given him problems yet by teasing him, then you most likely will not give him problems in the future about it. The best thing to do is to ask him if it upsets him or bothers him. If it does, try not to if it does not then you can say those things and he will not be offended or at least should not be. As for questions just ask him. If he feels the same way about you he will more and likely answer your questions with no problem. As transgendered people I think all can agree that we all understand a certain level of wonder & questioning from others who are not transgendered. We all kinda expect that, at least I do anyways. Many people have questions and then you run into the ones who have no questions but are prejudiced those are a horse of a different color. The best thing to do is just have a good chat with him. Good luck.
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    You're a brave and wonderful girl, emo! And you prove what so many here say, but very seldom really gets put into practice. You love your boy for what's in his soul, not what is or isn't in his pants.

    Veronica's right! If he's cared enough about you to tell you the truth of his birth gender, then he's probably waiting for the rest of the questions to come. He's already done the very scariest thing he's ever done, that is to trust you to still love him after telling you the truth. Answering the questions will be easy and, if I were he, I'd be anxious to start that conversation.

    And despite what you've already found out from your research, keep in mind that, just like with new-half women, each of us, boys and girls alike, have different reasons for doing what we do. So his answers may be familiar to you ... or they may be different than what you've already heard. He may not even be able to vocalize his rationale yet, but you can be sure that trying to find out has been the uppermost thing in his mind for years.

    As for the teasing ... it's those little inside jokes and coy teases from my girlfriend (especially when in the company of others) that are making us even closer than we were before I told her about me. We share a secret ... and it's a good and exciting one!

    Welcome, emo, dear one ... we're here whenever you need us. And we're here for him, too, if you'd care to tell him about us.

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    It was a big step for him to tell about his "secret" and what makes me even happier, you seem to take it seriously. Like already been said, every transgendered person is different and will seek for different things just like any other person in the world.

    The fact that he told you something like that, I know by my own experience how hard it is to say something like that and I can imagine it being a lot harder in a country like Japan with its culture. If he's willing to tell you about the secret, I'm sure he'll be happy about you asking questions about it as well. I mean, it seems like you both have feelings for each other, so there should be nothing wrong with asking. However, you should make sure if he'll be fine with you asking questions. I don't think he will, but just listen to whatever he has to say.

    About saying that he's like a girl etc. and things like that, you're right I don't think you should be saying things like that to him. Sadly, it is little hard to make jokes about a transgendered person, but I'm sure he understand that you're not serious with it, but you might still want to pay some attention.

    As for sexuality, that's something only he can tell you. Just like, only you can tell other people about your sexuality. Even though we are transgendered it doesn't mean that we don't have sexuality at all. What I have an urge to, would be different than someone else. So I'd recommend talking about this with him, what he expect, what he needs etc.

    I hope I could be at least of some help and if you feel like talking about this matter more privately, don't hesitate to contact me. I'll be glad to help you out with this matter.
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    wow thank you guys so much for your quick responses! you guys are such a great help to me...

    from what i can tell, the questions should be ok to ask? we talk about anything and everything anyway, so i'm hoping he'll recognize my curiosity as what it is, me just wanting to know more about him.

    though, he said of his friends and coworkers, only his childhood best friend (female) and like one friend (male) from high school know about his past. so i don't know if he's very used to talking about what he's going through or being asked questions. especially since japanese people have a tendency to ignore elephants in the room.

    as for physical things, i guess i'll just have to wait until we get there. i still don't know if we are going to be boyfriend-girlfriend though. there are some mutual friends (namely, his best guy friend who happens to be my ex-boyfriend) who might be upset about it. so i dunno.. it's a little messy now.



    Quote Originally Posted by deja true View Post
    As for the teasing ... it's those little inside jokes and coy teases from my girlfriend (especially when in the company of others) that are making us even closer than we were before I told her about me. We share a secret ... and it's a good and exciting one!

    yeah, we went to a party together yesterday night and i could already feel this. we have two secrets between us (1) that we officially are in like, 2) his secret) and it was kind of exciting. he did mention that it might be weird and unnatural if i stopped teasing him. i guess i'll just have to find an acceptable balance.

    deja, did your girlfriend know that you were trans before you started going out?

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    the questions seem ok to ask, but as for, "does he still have periods?", If he's been on hormones long enough to have facial hair, and has been taking them as long as you've known him or longer, then his menses has probably stopped by now. If not, it should stop ridiculously soon.

    You've found the section of the forum for transguys who might have some insight. For people who may know what you're going thru, the Loved Ones http://http://www.crossdressers.com/...splay.php?f=66 section of this forum may be of more help.

    it's really a good thing that you stuck with him/didn't make him feel like a freak when he came out to you. He was probably nervous as hell when he told you, and accepting him probably boosted his self esteem and confidence a lot.

    also, good for you for actually bothering to research this after he came out to you. It shows you really care about him to learn what he might be going thru. But no one leads the same life. He himself is the best teacher for what you want to learn. So don't ba afraid to ask him questions in private about this. I'm sure he knows that you wont be asking to mock him or treat him like an oddity, and that you just don't want to be in the dark about him.

    if he's ok with the jokes, keep 'em coming. I'm sure you two wont want to be walking on eggshells around each other, or for your whole relationship to revolve around this one issue.

    good luck with your boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thornton View Post
    the questions seem ok to ask, but as for, "does he still have periods?", If he's been on hormones long enough to have facial hair, and has been taking them as long as you've known him or longer, then his menses has probably stopped by now. If not, it should stop ridiculously soon.
    ah yeah... i was wondering about that. in the videos i watched and posts i read i didn't really see anything about that.

    it's kind of weird to think of my boy as having had a period or ever being a girl. to me, he is just a boy who happens to have well, girl parts down there--by no fault of his own. as a girl, it almost makes me blush to think that he knows exactly what *i've* got, when usually those things are kind of mysteries to men.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thornton View Post
    You've found the section of the forum for transguys who might have some insight. For people who may know what you're going thru, the Loved Ones http://http://www.crossdressers.com/...splay.php?f=66 section of this forum may be of more help.
    wow thanks for the link. i guess i should have checked the forums a little more thoroughly before posting here. i apologize to you guys and if any mods think that the thread should be moved i completely understand~



    Quote Originally Posted by deja true View Post
    I'd rather have sent this as a PM, hun, but you gotta get your first 10 posts in so you can talk privately with any of the other members. Lotsa great advice and more personal info can come to you through the Young Members and F A B (Female At Birth) private forums. Just go make another coupla posts as quick comments in any other thread that interests you and those other venues will be available to you.
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    So happy you're here, emo ...

    thanks so much~ you are really such a help to me. i'll browse around the site and other boards and see if i can get my post count up. shouldn't be a problem... i really really want to get to know about what my guy is going through so i can be a support and comfort to him.

    also, i'm glad to hear that things with your girlfriend went well!! i hope stories like yours and mine can help transmen who are unsure about dating know that yes, there *are* girls out there who will be supportive girlfriends!

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    deja, did your girlfriend know that you were trans before you started going out?
    No, baby ,she didn't. But she did recognize me as "diferent" than the "he-men" she'd previously been familiar with (or married to ... twice! LOL!). And after finding herself just not attracted to those kinds of guys anymore, she had kinda given up on relationships entirely. She's an intelligent alpha female type, very outgoing and srong-willed, and I guess I was somewhat attractive to her 'cos I was quiet and non-competitive. Not that I'm a wimp, just not overly loud or over-compensating. We reacted to each other as best friends, not hunter and prey, yet still had a wonderful attraction to each other. And I think she appreciated that. We've been together about 6 years, but I only came out to her about 2 months ago. And unlike many here, there really were no problems with that. Her reaction, instead of anger at my deception (wasn't really deception, more like avoidance of the issue...), was " Hmmm! I think we could we have fun with that!" Lord knows we're both old enough to have secrets in our pasts, and when she feels she wants to tell me more of hers, that'll be fine. If she never does, that's okay, too. We're living in the "right now", not the distant past. And we each have new lives to live and new paths to explore. (One of her ex-husbands has become a good friend ... LOL!)
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    I'd rather have sent this as a PM, hun, but you gotta get your first 10 posts in so you can talk privately with any of the other members. Lotsa great advice and more personal info can come to you through the Young Members and F A B (Female At Birth) private forums. Just go make another coupla posts as quick comments in any other thread that interests you and those other venues will be available to you.
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    So happy you're here, emo ...
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    I'm new to the forums but just wanted to say this story is really awesome. My heart skipped a beat while reading...thanks. <3

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