good luck to you hun I know its going to be a big change for you.
good luck to you hun I know its going to be a big change for you.
I know that the Navy has a 15 year retirement reserves so I would check to see if you can get something like that the medical tricare is worth it at age 62.
best wishes from a british service(wo)man. Ive only done 5 years and i know id be completely lost if i left, ive totally embraced the culture and i believe id struggle to fit into civvy life. I know how ironic this sounds as im a CD, not the first thing that springs into mind when you think of the forces!
All the best when you're promoted to MR/MISS!
Make sure you make many copies of your DD 214 you will probably need them for job applications. Keep the original in a safe place, you will need it when you apply for SS. GOOD LUCK! USN 1961-1968 Tonkan Gulf mostly.
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When I was active I never tried to cross dress because I signed the contract everyone signs when they join the military.
How do you cross dress in the military and still not violate your contract?
You can download a copy of your DD 214 from AKO. I lost mine so when I was about to leave the National Guard, a couple of weeks ago, I made a point of going on AKO and downloading it. Then I printed a copy of it because for a few things, you need copy 1 which is the copy I had lost.
Which reminds me, I got caught with women's clothing in my car once because they were searching vehicles for lost equipment. Since I had started a photo business I told them it was for the models. It worked. LOL.
Kitty Sue, I want to thank you and honor you for your service.
I retired from the U.S. military (I don't feel comfortable saying which branch) after 21 years of active duty. Sometimes it was very challenging to "be all that I can be," if you know what I mean (and I know that you do). By acknowledging and, when I could, expressing all that I am, I think it helped me get through some of the unpleasant things that I sometimes had to do.
Again, thanks for your service. May all of your dreams come true.
Nothing in the contract says that you can't, Bob.
But your basic point is a very good one, and it points out the challenge to CDs and transgendered people in the U.S. military. The duty not to act to the prejudice of good order and discipline (Article 134, UCMJ) or act in a manner unbecoming an officer (Article 133, UCMJ) demands discretion. I could not allow my own private life to interfere in any way with the accomplishment of my unit's mission or to interfere with the responsibilities of my comrades. My duty, which I voluntarily accepted, had to come first -- not my love of dresses, makeup, and high heels.
It was not easy, but I believe that I honored that obligation.
Well nowhere in the british military contract does it ban you from CD'ing, im in the closet anyway, so its not an issue
I was under the impression the British military was a bit more enlightened on these matters than the American military. The DOD is still dishonorably discharging gays, after all.
what you do in private is nobody elses business, if no-one knows then you're not breaking any laws, including Crossdessing
Hi Kitty
I was medically discharged as well after 6 years in the British Army, It was after a tour in NI and I have to say I didn't want to leave. I loved being a soldier and it was all I ever wanted to do and begged them to let me stay.I've a 20% disability and felt quite bitter about for a long while.
I really hope that your exit goes a lot better than mine and you have really good luck for the future.
please be careful
Sue x
The contract states that you will not engage in homosexual sexual activity. That's what it says. Nowhere does it state "THOU SHALT NOT WEAR PANTIES". You have been misinformed. Although, I'm sure there would be a discussion, discharge for cause of crossdressing is something I've never heard of or seen. Like myself, most CDers become skilled at keeping it quiet -- and most of us are not overtly feminine in our daily lives. The people that have problems are the obviously gay men -- the ones that EVERYONE can spot a mile away. And even then, if they don't engage in any homosexual sexual activity, they shouldn't be discharged. One has to wonder, though, why they put themselves into the service in the first place, especailly the "flamers" (hate to use that word but I couldn't think of anyting else)
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Crysten
"Addicted to Victoria's Secret".
I was going to post quoting Karen, and suggesting you really do get a women's uniform and then I found this postKaren, you know I think I will buy a women's dress uniform. I had never given it much thought before, but as I will be leaving the service it does seem like a grand idea.I think it's a great idea, while you still have the chance, to get the various uniform parts to complete the women's dress uniform. I'm prior service too, and though the women's uniforms aren't the latest fashion, there's been many a time that I wish I could go back and buy a woman's uniform for myself. Do it while you still can!
Not exactly correct, but a good point...
Since 1993, under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy (dumb name, I know), people who admit to homosexual tendencies or who commit homosexual acts can be involuntarily discharged, but it is almost always with the type of discharge warranted by the total service record -- an Honorable Discharge or, for a poor performer, a General Discharge (Under Honorable Conditions). The discharged person remains eligible for all military benefits and benefits administered by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.
To be discharged with a Bad Conduct Discharge or a Dishonorable Discharge, there must be pretty serious criminal conduct -- not just showing up in formation in slingbacks -- resulting in conviction and sentence of a court-martial.
The point is, however, that the U.S. military still fires people whose only offense is to crossdress, usually under the homosexual tendencies grounds.
Sacked is sacked, whatever the the fancy label.
Even Klinger still had to serve duty.
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