Ze, you had not posted on this thread when I gave my first reply.
But you ARE one of the thousands on this site, and so were included in that sentence.
Ze, you had not posted on this thread when I gave my first reply.
But you ARE one of the thousands on this site, and so were included in that sentence.
Last edited by ReineD; 10-11-2010 at 12:01 AM. Reason: Missed this earlier. No need to quote yourself. A simple reference to your prior post number would have sufficed.- Reine
Ze???? Who is Ze?
Ze is a very hot guy that once was a woman.
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Everybody stop turning a thread about transgender women into Ze Country!Go back on topic!
Sidenote: Empress, that sounds like the first line of a limerick.
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Milhouse Van Houten + Dale Gribble + My Chemical Romance + Lars Lindstrom + Tweek = :Ze:
There once was a guy named Ze
Who always was a he....
Sorry. I'll stop.
Hugs,
Melissa
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Oh, I know ZE but I thought his name was Studly Doitright. At least that is what all the girls in the neighborhood are calling him.
Sorry sir, back to topic, sir
Who is it again?Originally Posted by Melissa A.
Whose Ze? or Whose he?
Trust Ze to come along & derail this thread :P
He has moved awful close to Nantucket.
this post is rude
Hey Ze, I think FTM's are so rarely brought up has more to do with gender politics than anything else. Since we live in a culture that values the male over the female; woman who dress or act or want to be men are seen as wanting to better themselves. For a male to dress, act, or want to be female is seen as a step backward at best, a debasement at worst and thus illicts more and stronger responses. A female with short hair in t-shirt and jeans goes un noticed. A male in skirt, heels with long hair, well you're gonna get remarks. That and just by numbers there are far more MTFs than FTMS.
Personally I love all my trans brothers and sisters.
Many male transsexuals may have a bit of an easier time assimilating in public, But if you talk to them, you'll find that they experience pretty much the same hurdles when it comes to families, friends, employment and everything else. You're right about the culture paying less attention, and why. As far as numbers, I think they are fairly equal. If not, I don't think there is as wide a difference as you think.
Hugs,
Melissa
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Yes, until that person expects to be treated like a man. Then it's the same story as an MTF TS, only the gender changes. Not taken seriously, belittled, and flat out not respected as a person. Sometimes even killed. Our FTM brothers do not have it any easier, most of them just suck it up and take it like the men they are.
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Physically female!
I don't know what the hell people are talking about. I can't wait for the day when apparently I pass and don't get shit thrown at me.
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Milhouse Van Houten + Dale Gribble + My Chemical Romance + Lars Lindstrom + Tweek = :Ze:
Didn't you get the memo? We don't count. (Okay, so I kid...kinda...)
From what I've seen, FtMs might be pidgeonholed in odder categories. We range from not existing to being butch lesbians in denial to just a product of third-wave feminism to having been sexually assaulted and hence are compensating for that, etc.
I daresay we're quite happy when we're actually recognized as "men trapped in women's bodies." We're even happier when we're actually respected for that.
And happy to see somebody actually brought this up.
the line "just-a-girl" grates on us exactly the same way "man-in-a-dress" does for mtf transsexuals.
there are so many variants where gender/sexuality are concerned that nothing can be determined in a list as simple as this one and i'm sure this is why it has provoked such a large response... although my gender identity is becoming more solid, my orientation hasn't become clear completely. where is the category for that? heh.
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Actually, I'm not sure that I agree with either you or Allie about this one, Ze. The thread was about Transgendered women I look on the FtM transsexuals as men and will treat the FtM cross-dressers as they present in the same way that I treat an MtF Cd as she presents. This thread seemed to be aimed at MtF CD's more than the rest of us.
Didn't you get the memo? We don't count. (Okay, so I kid...kinda...)
Could this be why I didn't think a thread about women was about you men?
I can fully understand that
I think that any attempt to mix sexuality in with a discussion about transgender is just asking for trouble. In recent weeks I have had to explain to some people in an LGBT presure group that being T does not make me G but may mean I turn out to be L. I also had to explain to someone from a local paper that the proportion of LGB in the T community is probably around the same as in the cis community, but it can get complicated when we make the transition.
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My biggest issue with this list is what does a crossdressers sexual attraction have to do with anything. Sexual identity and Gender identity are completely separate issues.
As for lists, they will never catch everybody. Hey what about me, I am bi-gender. LOL That is what is nice about Transgender, it covers the whole spectrum.
Charlene
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The thing about gender & sexuality that it is so fluid that its nearly impossible to list all the variants of gender diverse people in society. Here is a really good video that shows you how fluid that gender & sexuality is and that its not binary like many ignorant people in society quite often believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXI9w0PbBXY
Last edited by Melody Moore; 10-10-2010 at 08:00 PM.
To those of you who criticize Linda.wai's attempt to classify the community, please give her a break!She has under 100 posts and she only joined last month.
I too wanted to find a way to organize it all when I first joined, plus I wanted definitions that made sense to me. Most of us do get past this when we realize that the definitions change, not only with each individual, but also as self-awareness deepens, but you can't blame someone new for wanting to get a handle on it. Maybe Linda is trying to figure out where she fits into the overall scheme of things.
Reine
Reine, you know how much I respect your thoughtful posts ... however, this time I feel that linda.wai needs to contemplate my suggestion that there are only two types of human beings ... those who are members of cd.com and those who are not.
Classification is a form of control. I'm into complete conviviality.
Everything is beautiful in it's own way!
Clayfish ... you are free to not define things for yourself. Please understand that others might not feel the same way you do. If you don't like this thread, you can bypass it.
Reine
Hi Reine,
Linda's intentions might have been well & good, however if you are going to join a transgender community to try & work out where you fit into that community then I don't believe this is the way to do it - especially in a community of transsexuals with a LOT more experience than yourself. There is nothing in her post that indicates any of intention to find out where she fits in here. Is all it has done is shown the rest of the community how limited her understanding about transgender issues really is. I think that most of the ensuing discussion has been very informative and helpful and I hope also the video I just posted also teaches her & others here how fluid gender & sexuality really is and why it cant ever be so simply defined and labelled.
PS: So why didn't you manage to find away to organise it all Reine? Did you realise that it was a mammoth task & virtually impossible to define?
Last edited by Melody Moore; 10-10-2010 at 10:19 PM.
Well MelodyN, I am glad someone left you in charge of how we should all think and feel. Just because you might have a few years under your bra strap at being TG,TS,TV,or CD does not in any way mean you have all the answers. I am sure if you would lift you wig and listen, Linda could probably teach you a thing or two about being TG,TS,TV,or CD that you have not thought of. I for one have been at this for 45+ years, 30 years of that full time and I still learn something new about our world everyday. What is right for you and what you believe may not be right for the next person. We are all individuals and see it from our own perspective.
While I agree Linda's list may not be quite accurate, she is at least making an attempt to learn and understand. As she matures and grows more confident in herself I am sure she will learn where she fits in just fine on her own like you and I did. Do not be so quick to berate or dismiss anyone here just because they do not measure up to your understanding and beliefs of our world.
Jorja, did I ever profess to have all the answers hun? and did I profess to know everything? in fact I'm a student like the rest of us... and welcome that opportunity to expand my knowledge everyday... I really didnt think that I was really critical of her in any bad way... if anything I thought my contributions to this topic of discussion were some of the more informative and yet I'm merely a babe in the woods, so how about you climb down off your soapbox for a minute and have a good think about what you just said to me? and try and see this from other people's perspective as well?
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