NOT TELLING :kewlpics:Originally Posted by Tristen Cox
Do you have a view about them?
I'm more worried about what their view of me is, like where's the hidden camera at?
NOT TELLING :kewlpics:Do you have a view about them?
I'm more worried about what their view of me is, like where's the hidden camera at?
It made perfect sense to me!
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I'm in two (at least two, maybe a lot more) minds on this subject. On the one hand there's a certain thrill felt when an apparently 'normal' male expresses their feelings about how I look 'en femme', on the other hand I have to wonder about their motivations.
It's not like they're likely to take me home to meet Mom and Dad, even if I was willing to try that (I get a mental image from 'Meet the Fockers', with a picture of Robert de Niro looking at me as his fingers twitch and reach for a 9mm Glock).
I'm also a realist, and totally aware that most so-called admirers are nothing more than slick-tongued HNG's (HNG = horny net geek). While my mental self-image of myself puts me on the cover of 'Playboy', the reality is quite different. I'm an ornery, cantankerous, pragmatic, cynical old fart making my way through a life that has put so many obstacles in my path that it's not funny.
While I'm not averse to admirers, and could even see myself in a relationship with one, they first have to get past the 'barriers'. Depending on the place and time, those barriers are quire formidable.
When it comes to chat (I hang out on IRC sometimes), it takes far more than a private message of "hi honey" or "You look great tonight!" to get past that initial barrier (how the heck do they know how I look tonight?). It takes empathy, understanding, and above all , some major respect.
I have my own 'comfort' levels, and despite being 'wide-eyed and innocent' in many ways as I grow into learning all the ramifications of this side of myself, I also have my limitations. Most of the admirers I've encountered on the 'net are not able to get past that. I also have a lifetime of experiences in many other pervues of life, and that too, raises a barrier.
Hmm, I guess I'll stop there, sicne I'm starting to use too many long words...
Amelie,
If Tamara wants a succinct explanation, yours would be it. "Admirers" should be gentlemen...not sleazeballs.
J.
Last edited by Mx Justina; 09-13-2005 at 09:20 PM. Reason: correcting Amelie's name
Thats a great picture! A beautiful picture. You're there gurl!I have been chatting for several years in a chat room where many know each other from outings and events, this includes some polite admirerers.
http://81.168.81.68:7575/
Here is a pic of a guy my daughters age that has made some long road trips just to party with us girls, another one I would never worry about. (excuse the hair ball at the bottom of the pic )
So Mandy to answer your question I guess I break them into 2 groups,, polite guys that can be fun to chat with and trolls.
Cindy
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[size=4]I can't for the life of me understand why an apparently hetrosexual male becomes an "Admirer". I love wearing womens clothes but that is as far as it goes, I don't want to be pestered by these people and to tell the truth I don't think that what they have to say on sites like this has any relevance (To me that is). Why would they want to sit with a group of TVs anyway? I am TV but I can still see beautiful women all around and I love to look at them and talk to them but, I don't think I could ever become an "Admirer" of other men. If other TVs want to admire me then that is lovely and if a straight male says I "Look nice" or holds the door open for me then that's terrific, but these "Admirers" - no way not for me. Do they admire straight girls I wonder? By the way what the hell does GQ stand for? [/size]
Unfortunately, there's a lot of frogs (to put it politely) and not a lot of princes. I look at as a GG empathy-building experience.
Although I suspect some of the admirers may be more crass than usual, having grown up on a diet of ******* porn that gives them rather fanciful expectations about what t-girls are like.
That said, while they're a minority, there are definitely some admirers out there who are genuinely respectful and fun to be with.
Lena
A dream? What is a dream, but a blueprint for courageous action.
http://www.adahlshouse.com
Hey as long as they're well behaved, have good manners and wash I'm happy to chat to just about anyone. I think hostility levels usually run hand in hand with your own personal comfort with your own gender perception and that is not necessarily anything to do with your sexuality. Some 'girls' can't handle being treated as a woman even though they're dressed as one.
There are some real gentlemen out there. A few chat to me on a weekly basis. They're all nice guys, warm, funny, friendly. Equally there are a lot of perfect ladies out there too, and I love to talk to them equally.
Sometimes it's nice to be treated as you see yourself. An admirer can do that. I have friends who see me for me... an admirer sees you slightly differently... as a desirable person.
I'm waffling.... sorry.
Lisa x
Der Transsexuellaußenseiter
The lovers have flown...
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Do you have a view about them?
I'm more worried about what their view of me is, like where's the hidden camera at?
I still wont tell you!!
We have to weather the storm before we can enjoy the sunshine
I know one admirer fairly well. He's a total gentleman and I have nothing but respect for him. He expressed interest in me but I told him I'm only into GGs. He's been fully respectful of that and has not made any advances. We communicate by e-mail mostly as members of a Chicago group. I was the initiator of a monthly dinner outing that has been pretty successful but that I stopped attending because it's held on a weekday. Our e-mails mostly consist of him asking me to attend again as I was the one who got this thing off the ground. So my one close experience has been very positive.
I know another less well. He has never made any advances. I think my body language speaks fairly loudly that I'm not interested in men and he picked up on that. He too has always been respectful and very kind.
What I do know is any of us ever wanted a date, it wouldn't be hard to find one. I've had countless admirers e-mail me saying nice things but never where they saw my picture(s) so I have no idea where these guys are coming from. I only know there's no shortage of them.
I guess I should answer the question. I love admirers. This is one of the main reason's that I dress. Yea, there are sleazy guys out there, but when you go out and about, you'll find a way to handle them, just like the GGs do.
"Admirers" should be gentlemen...not sleazeballs."
Spot the difference Oscar?
Show respect to me and treat me like a lady.Doesn't seem like that much to ask, one would think. Unfortunately a good segment of the population has trouble with this concept though. That is unless they want something or they can somehow benefit, then...
Yes I know the difference...but non-heteros excersise individual choice and discrimination, as heteros do. "Nice gentleman" itself is a starter vague generality...so I opt for some elaboration in my post...hence, I mentioned "GQ male" in the final paragraph (GQ= Gentlemen's Quarterly)."Admirers" should be gentlemen...not sleazeballs."
Spot the difference Oscar?
BTW...No!, my name is not Oscar, anymore than yours might be CLem, Clyde or Mr. Whatever!
J.
Last edited by Mx Justina; 09-14-2005 at 08:20 PM. Reason: BTW addon
The admirers that I have met have been at clubs during our Girls night out flings. The main one is the Queen of Hearts in Warren, OH. There are several guys who are there every time we are. So far, these guys have been gentlemen. About 4 years ago, i met a jerk at "The Zone" in Erie, PA who would not take no for an answer. Fortunately, he was smaller than I. When I threatened him with bodily harm, he backed off.
Jodi
Funny how all the references to "admirer's" seems to be directed towards men. There are GGs who are admirers too.
Admirers that respect CDs are ok. A good web page for Admirers to visit would be http://www.reneereyes.com/Webdocs/mtintro.html
DonnaT
-sure Donna... sad ...they've seemed to have missed me... bummer-
Just Remember,"Wherever You go- There You are ! "
I'm of the mind that I try to handle each individual person and situation with respect and discretion. There are those who I admire, either for their personality or artistry in crossdressing or their courage in dealing with CD/TV/TS/TG issues. I must admit, I have been on the receiving end of admiration too. Of course, it was "last call" and I was the only "gal" left in the bar.
Oh, and Tristen? As far as where the camera is? It's on the tops of my shoes...lookin' straight up, baby. Can I have the next dance? Perfect.
You can dress me up but you can't take me out...at least not yet.
Donna, true... admirerers can be GG's that enjoy us that have a feminine side, but
wow they are hard to find ! SO's that enjoy even if they dont understand are probably more rare.
Having a GG friend that likes us as girlfriends,, clothes and makeup talk etc is almost like therapy for our soul, but watch out for those sneeky lesbian feelings that may happen
OMG Cindy she is .....You are.......the two of you are..........
Just Remember,"Wherever You go- There You are ! "
You're mine just remember that Khriss
yes Dear , hmmmmmmmm
(just lookin' hehe?)
Just Remember,"Wherever You go- There You are ! "
I have a view about Admirers. I need them. They can help me feel womanly in ways that others can't. Meeting with Admirers has, mostly, been a great time and for the rest of it mediocre. The nice ones are still friends and we've met again. You might think me crazy but I actually invite them to my home.
The advice I offer to Admirers is to be good at correspondence. Show some wit and individuality and you'll probably get some where. It's all about communication and good oral hygiene for me.
The Admirers I know think that TGurls are special. I'm glad that there are people who feel that way.
Debbie
Cindy? I'd give anything for you to clone your SO for me.Donna, true... admirerers can be GG's that enjoy us that have a feminine side, but
wow they are hard to find ! SO's that enjoy even if they dont understand are probably more rare.
Having a GG friend that likes us as girlfriends,, clothes and makeup talk etc is almost like therapy for our soul, but watch out for those sneeky lesbian feelings that may happen
You can dress me up but you can't take me out...at least not yet.
I've found that most admirers are male. I have found and hung out with some female ones, but from my experience the vast majority of female admirers go undetected because they settle for normal guys. We are so much better.
I get many many emails and IMs from male admirers looking to hook up. I get hit on by guys everywhere I go. When in androgynous mode, I cause males to question their sexuality or so I've been told by straight males. Every man who hits on me could possibly be accused of being gay I suppose, as could I if I showed interest.
Charlie
That's it in a nutshell, I'd say!
I'd like to see if they are better. I suspect they are better by far, but I have no personal proof. Part of what makes it difficult for GG's is, how do you KNOW? Especially if someone is trying hard to hide it in every day life? There are very few CD's who are as out in the open as ones like yourself. I think I may have inadvertently dated CD's in the past but they were too scared to come out and tell me. It's like ships passing in the night with no real way to communicate. There's always a fear of either party crossing a highly personal boundary and messing things up. Like I'm going to say to my guy in a moment of passion "I like boys who wear makeup and satin"! hahaah I would either get the best deal EVER, or get the sh!t kicked outta me. lol
But yeah. The number of GG admirerers is probably greatly underestimated.
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