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    Are you one of nature’s mistakes?

    [SIZE="2"]“I know a lot of people who say their object is to take their place in society. Don’t ever do that. Stay right where you are, and wait for society to form itself around you.” (Quentin Crisp)

    Apparently we crossdressers come under the heading “nature’s mistakes.” Well, some people think that way (and feel that way). Recently I was watching a film on TV, a retrospective look at the depiction of homosexuality throughout film history, and the abovementioned phrase was included within a trailer for one of the films – catchy, isn’t it? Of course, all things being equal in Hollywood, any mention or visualization of homosexuality will automatically include drag, transvestism, and their more innocent cousin, namely crossdressing. If you extend this perverted logic to its illogical conclusion, crossdressers are also nature’s mistakes, existing under the broad umbrella of perversion, placed there by society...

    Needless to say, ongoing depictions of crossdressing in films or TV shape public perception. With a few notable exceptions, crossdressing is largely included for laughs, and, if it isn’t, the audience may begin to get very uncomfortable with what is going on, all in the name of entertainment. Of course, you can turn away, or switch channels, or close your eyes, thus maintaining your idea of what a mistake is, but why not keep an open mind about things?

    I must point out that the semi-documentary film I watched included nearly ALL forms of crossdressing – there was MtF, FtM, full-blown drag, and crossdressing as a means to an end, to name a few, but I only wish to dwell on the subject of MtF crossdressing being seen purely as a “mistake.” Is this fair? I mean, on this site we discuss this “convenient” association with male homosexuality all the time, since we are caught in its gravitational field. When I say “caught,” I mean we are associated with homosexuals, for better or worse, because of our penchant for female clothing, presentation and comportment – the world at large has no patience for detail, or subtlety, nor does it wish to hear our cries in the wilderness. Out of sight (I can hear them say), and out of mind – it’s not worth the effort to take a closer look at the differences between groups, just sweep us ALL under the rug as a group of nature’s mistakes...

    One of the things that struck me in this collection of movie clips was the undeclared idea that transvestism (or crossdressing) implies homosexuality, or bisexuality, simply by being there, as if a certain visual image does not require any explanation. Years ago, the word homosexual wasn’t even voiced aloud in films – the unfortunate “victim” of his or her alternative desires wasn’t even allowed to say “I’m gay,” while our hero (or heroine’s) miserable existence at the fringe of society played across the silver screen for all to see, mainly as a warning. In many cases, crossdressing acted as an unsubtle visual code, used to denote underlying homosexual proclivities in one or more of the characters. Not only that, but the choice of clothing, conscious or not, screamed “exclusion” in no uncertain terms, and these unfortunate personages never had a good day regardless of the plot...

    So, we are nature’s mistakes, something that was not supposed to happen, according, I assume, to the fictitious plan for humanity that somebody made up, i.e. someone who doesn’t like “alternative” types. Isn’t that silly? A mistake is either doing something in a wrong way, or taking one thing for another (see above). A mistake is also a drawback, a sin, a weakness, a shortcoming, and a deficiency. Put all that together and it adds up to disappointment for whoever or whatever comes in contact with a crossdresser. BTW, a synonym for disappointment is drag, so we have once again come full circle, or perhaps we just aren’t getting anywhere. Personally, I believe that crossdressing is the antithesis of a mistake, since it creates comfort, happiness, and pleasure, but society apparently doesn’t want to see that side of the issue. Is it wrong to have fun, be inquisitive about things, explore one’s sexuality, enjoy tactile pleasures, be compassionate and loving, or all of the above? I’ll tell you, I don’t feel like a mistake, not one little bit. Is it a mistake to enjoy life? Needless to say, calling homosexuality a “mistake” is absolutely ridiculous, just like one group of people expressing their purported superiority over another group is ridiculous, wrong, hateful, distasteful, and, of course, a hideous mistake...

    How do you feel about being called one of “nature’s mistakes?”
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    I don't feel that I am one of "nature's mistakes!" I am Me, a person like everyone else on this forum. Yes, I was born a man and still am a man!! I do like to wear feminine clothing, and that "might" make me a little different than other men! But it does not, in my own opinion, make me a mistake of nature!! If people don't like what I wear, they don't have to look at me!! And if they do look, than just admire my pretty clothes!!
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    Are brown eyes a mistake or are blue? Which is the mistake... left or right handed? We're all individuals. We all fit in in our own way.

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    Maybe there is in fact an evolutionary advantage to having people like us in the population. (recognizing that is a pretty broad spectrum in itself) There are lots of examples among other species where the reproductive success of the species depends on cooperation between the actual parents and other related members of a group. Wolves for example. The alpha's reproduce, but the pups are protected, nurtured and taught by non-reproducing members - relatively submissive females AND MALES.

    In human societies, often the eldest son inherited the property or leadership stature. And as research has recently shown, younger brothers are more likely to have feminine traits ...the more older siblings the more likely the younger ones are to exhibit feminine traits. How does that help - perhaps, just guessing, that more feminine younger brothers are less likely to usurp and more likely to support their elder brother, again leading to a higher possibility of reproductive success. (We'll discount the example of inbreeding among royal families which messes up the whole reproductive order!)

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    Well now, isn't that perspective just grand? A mistake indeed! I don't get too wrapped up in Hollywood's or any other media's interpretation of most things. Unfortunately, there are a lot tabloid mentalities out there that will.

    Make no mistake about it; I am no mistake.

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    At the 2009 Transgender Day of Rememberance Observance in Cleveland, there were many speakers, including politicians, clergy members, and community leaders. The speaker, though, that sticks in my mind was a young transman who said something to the effect,

    I am not a man that was born into the wrong body. I was born with the body that God intended me to be born in, so that I could take the journey through life that God intended me to take, so that I could become the man that God intended me to become.


    Although I don’t identify as a transsexual, what this young person struck home for me. I am not a mistake. I firmly believe that I was created transgendered so that I could take the journey that God intended me to take, so that I could become the person that God intended me to become.
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    A "mistake" .... hardly, I am NOT a "mistake" ... I am me.

    There's an old and somewhat trite statement that aptly applies here.

    "GOD DOESN'T MAKE MISTAKES" ... if you have any sort of belief system it applies.
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    In Native American culture there were the two-spirit persons who were valued as shamans. I feel that I am one of those two-spirit persons, and I believe that CandiFLA of YouTube thinks of herself/himself as having both a feminine aspect and a masculine aspect. She still like to talk as a man in addition to talking like a woman, and she is interested in men's items such as power tools and hot cars - even to the point of rebuilding a full-size Chevrolet Impala and tweaking it up for real tire burning performance. This is after she has had breast augmentation surgery.

    If I transition I will maintain my masculine way of talking in addition to speaking in a feminine way and retain my bass singing range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babette View Post
    Well now, isn't that perspective just grand? A mistake indeed! I don't get too wrapped up in Hollywood's or any other media's interpretation of most things. Unfortunately, there are a lot tabloid mentalities out there that will.

    Make no mistake about it; I am no mistake.

    Babette
    I totally agree with Babette's take on this, Iam who Iam and that's no mistake. It's once again someone's attempt to put everyone in a box. Neat and orderly. How grand, too bad life is not that way.

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    Maybe but you play the hand you're dealt.

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    NO MISTAKE . . . I am just me. . . An I too will make my journey the way it comes......

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    We exist, therefore, not a mistake, period.

    I am exactly where I am supposed to be, right now, doing exactly what I am supposed to be doing. I know this because that is what I am doing.

    This is a journey, a visit if you will. I am here in an "encounter suit" on planet Earth. My encounter suit happens to be gender (hmm, better check again -- male). Hmm, that's interesting, but it will do. It's a fine body, works quite well. Doesn't particularly line up with my internal thoughts about myself, but hey, this is a binary world we live in. M is not bad, I can work with this and I will.

    The important part to me is even though the body is "M", it doesn't mean that "I" am "M". Doesn't mean I am "F" either, frankly, I find myself somewhere in between. In a binary world, "M" is as good as "F", though, at this point in my life, "F" might be more fun.
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    If by mistake do you mean a physical disorder at birth that made my gender and appearance differ? How about having an intolerance of the hormones my body naturally produced and not learning they were the cause of health problems until I started transition? How's that for a mistake?

    How about that I liked boys but felt guilty so I tried to please people by being a good little hetero guy. How about that one?

    So yeah, nature kind of scrambled my life up. Thankfully I figured enough of it out to get on track. Thankfully we have this wonderful thing called free will where I can make the choice to correct these little mistakes of nature instead of trying to run against the wind.
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    Nope, no mistake. The one's who think different are mistaken.
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    Yep, I don't think "nature" makes mistakes. It just makes things. Some work well and and some not so well. I love my perspective of what I call a gender blend. I think we understand so much more of life because we participate to one degree or another in other spheres of life experiences. It's just life at work. To call a creation a "mistake" is really taking a narrow view of things. I will agree that some creations seem odd or unusual, but only someone with 100% knowing can say "That's a mistake." I've never met anyone yet with 100% knowing, but a few who think they do!

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    Goiven how life was formed from a primorial ozze.. I'd say life and himans are all natures mistakes!! Lol. So sure!!! Natures mistakes sounds way better than pervert!! .
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    I do see a double standard forming. Our society would seem to believe that it's OK for men to like pornography and strippers, but crossdressing is wrong? Last I checked, I didn't promote violence against women, slavery, or the drug trade when I ordered a dress and heels online.

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    They can call me whatever the heck they like! Mistake. Aberration. Fairy. Whatever. But you know what? I still catch them looking at me as I walk on by.



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    I do not consider myself a mistake. As a matter of fact I am of the opinion that if everyone were the same, life would be very boring.

    And I happen to like myself just the way I am.

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    I will never know the answer to this. I have an opinion, much like everyone else's about being me and all part of nature's or "God's" plan. It doesn't change people's views but someday, maybe future TG folks will live in a society where we embrace and even leverage each other's differences for the overall good of society.

    BTW - I never made a mistake in my life...I thought I did once but I was wrong.

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    not really,I'm a man who prefers to wear womens clothes,men who don't dress the way I dress are natures mistakes.
    Drink up me heartys,yo ho!

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    I do not look upon myself as a mistake of nature. Rather I am proof that nature has a sense of humor.

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    If there is a mistake, it is that some of our species are closed minded, unable to understand diversity in it's fullest sense, non-empathetic to difference, and unwilling to even listen to a different point of view. Now there is a mistake!

    just my 2 cents.

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    I would suggest

    Quote Originally Posted by Phyliss View Post
    A "mistake" .... hardly, I am NOT a "mistake" ... I am me.

    There's an old and somewhat trite statement that aptly applies here.

    "GOD DOESN'T MAKE MISTAKES" ... if you have any sort of belief system it applies.
    If you or anyone else actually believes this "trite" statement, don't ever go to a children's hospital. You won't ever believe in a diety again!

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    That is a strange and provocative question. You could claim that outliers are mistakes, but there is also often selective pressure to maintain diversity, because diversity can be a good thing. It is beneficial to the population as a whole.

    You could also say that human life as a whole is a major mistake of nature. Humans are very destructive.
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