What are we ACTUALLY doing?

**ReineD** · 08-12-2011, 12:31 AM

Speck, I don't think it matters what styles society defines as being appropriate for women to wear, no matter what culture, what century, how frilly, how plain, how long, or how short. Most CDs would want to wear them too, whether the motive is to emulate a woman or be a woman.

If we lived in a world where men wore only dresses & skirts and women wore only pants, CDs would want to wear pants too.

As to the burqa, in the Middle East I should think it would be necessary for a CD to wear one in public in order to be sure that any hint of his gender were well hidden, else the consequences would be dire. I'm guessing that in private he'd wear what women wear under their burqas.

**Kaitlyn26** · 08-12-2011, 12:44 AM

Too many men in the past have enjoyed a limited existence and now those that want to wear female designated clothing merely because they like them are unable to do so. The same is true of hair. Look at the history of male style all the way back to ancient Mesopotamia and you'll see that throughout history men have been aloud to have long hair, jewelry of all kinds, skirts/kilts, heels, wigs, and women in ancient Egypt are sometimes seen with fake beard pieces on their chin.

Modern society has deemed that men are no longer aloud to dress "frilly" or fancy and an attractive look for a man has evolved into a modest and clean look. I think if you asked 100 men if they think a tie or a suit is something they really enjoy wearing or feel attractive in, majority would probably answer NO! It really bothers me that men aren't aloud more freedom in that area. Some employers have a strict short hair, no facial hair, suit, tie policy while women are very loosely governed for personal fashion choices in the same company.

At my job a man is required to have no facial hair, short hair, shirt tucked in, solid black shoes, and khaki pants. A female at my work threw a hissy fit when she had to wear a t-shirt for the month that was required to be tucked in. She's attractive but has a large and out of shape butt, which was always covered by the loose and untucked shirt she normally wears. Meanwhile the men with the same problem that had been forced to show their fat out of shape butts to the world didn't have a problem and welcomed the change. They aren't sure how to govern my fashion choices so I get away with murder.

**Pythos** · 08-12-2011, 12:57 AM

Kaitlyn, what do you wear to work then?

**Kaitlyn26** · 08-12-2011, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by Pythos

Kaitlyn, what do you wear to work then?

WHATEVA I WANT! No, I'm kidding. I wear black pants, slightly dressy shoes, a black long sleeve shirt, and the uniform shirt over that. I demanded that they give the female shirt and not the guys polo shirt.

What do you wear to work?

**Misti** · 08-12-2011, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Maddie22;2568347 (#1)

What are we ACTUALLY doing? Please note that I'm not trying to get into a labeling thread, or accuse anyone of being anything but what they say they are.

Maddie22, BTW what does "Maddie" stand for? It can't be for "Mad?" because as Reine (always the great sage (See her post)) says:

Originally Posted by ReineD;2568541 (#17)

And there is a better way to define the community as a whole, than simply "CD", and "TS".

Edit - Great questions, BTW!

Maddie, when I finally get to wear my wig, makeup and high heels "anytime and anywhere" I'll be better prepared to answer these thought provoking questions of yours.

In the meantime, it's going to have to remain: "Que Sera, Sera!"

**Amanda Styles** · 08-12-2011, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by ReineD

Speck, I don't think it matters what styles society defines as being appropriate for women to wear, no matter what culture, what century, how frilly, how plain, how long, or how short. Most CDs would want to wear them too, whether the motive is to emulate a woman or be a woman.

If we lived in a world where men wore only dresses & skirts and women wore only pants, CDs would want to wear pants too.

As to the burqa, in the Middle East I should think it would be necessary for a CD to wear one in public in order to be sure that any hint of his gender were well hidden, else the consequences would be dire. I'm guessing that in private he'd wear what women wear under their burqas.

ReineD,

Perhaps if the situation you described, "If we lived in a world where men wore only dresses & skirts and women wore only pants, CDs would want to wear pants too." existed I could provide more accuate input, thankfully it is not that way.

I really do find feminine clothing much more appealing to my tactile senses, and that includes both sensual and sensous feelings.

I also just like outer clothing that would normally be associated with women, and wear routinely women's shorts in various styles. Jogging shorts for men and women are not much different, and I also include
cotton drawstring shorts with enough leg to not show something I don't want seen.
I am a baby boomer, and for as long as I remember I never liked long shorts, it used to be cut off jeans.
Jams, "those mid calf men's shorts " do nothing for me.

My brain would have to undergo extensive hardcoding to want to crossdress in a society such as you described, unless the women still wore the same undergarments as in our world.

Amanda

**stephi** · 08-12-2011, 02:54 AM

Karen
kinda nailed that one for us all - certainly for me!
Thx
S

**Loni** · 08-12-2011, 04:22 AM

not really sure were i fit in you posting, as i dress all the time except for work. and there there is no requirement for what is on under the shirt and pants.

but when i dress to go out i try to as much as possible look like a proper lady, maybe dressed up just a tad more then most, but hay what is wrong with looking good. even told my mom why not dress up just to go to the food store. as she has the clothing and complains on not being able to ware them as no place to go.
i see a lot of "older" lady's dressing up just to buy a loaf of bread. what better way to show off that dress.

**Pythos** · 08-12-2011, 10:20 AM

Kaitlyn,
For my computer job I do wear what ever I wish, excepting skirts and heels. I do wear leggings, the ocasional catsuit, nice, to clunky boots. I wear tops ranging from t-shirt, to more dressy styles. I wear the shirts in a tunic manner, always with a belt of some design around the waist.

Now for my flying job....jeans and T-shirt. I once wore my AA riding pants with a nice sweater, and my tall back zip boots once, and encountered no issues, but I don't want to press the issue....yet.

I totally concur that men have been denied many styles and looks, for no good reason. I have seen that this can be traced to the industrial revolution. All I know is I do get irritated when I see a big formal event and seeing all the ladies in varying outfits, and the men in....tuxedoes. Boring. LOL

**ReineD** · 08-12-2011, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Amanda Styles

I really do find feminine clothing much more appealing to my tactile senses, and that includes both sensual and sensous feelings.

But, thinking out of the box for just a moment, imagine all clothes everywhere were made of the same fabric, and wearing dresses & skirts were strictly reserved for men (let's assume for "airing" purposes), and pants were strictly reserved for women (let's assume for modesty purposes), and your brain knew nothing else but this, don't you think that you would want to wear the pants if this is what it took to make you look feminine?

Originally Posted by Amanda Styles

Jogging shorts for men and women are not much different, and I also include cotton drawstring shorts with enough leg to not show something I don't want seen.

Case in point!

**Andi.Devine** · 08-12-2011, 12:23 PM

I would have to agree with Amanda. I like to wear cami/panty or cami/short sets when I sleep. Some of them are cotton, so from a material perspetive, would be the same as a wife beater and breifs. The way that each fits my body is completely different, the camisole tops that I choose have a much different neck line, maybe a little lace around the edges and the straps over the shoulder are much thinner. The panties or shorts also fit completely different as well, the amount of leg and rear shown is quite different and therfore feels different too. I also have and wear mens string bikini type underwear that is made by jockey, unfortunately the don't make a top that I like as much as I like camisole's. So I would like to think that it is not just because it is made for a women, but because of the way it is styled.

**Kaitlyn26** · 08-12-2011, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Pythos

Kaitlyn,
For my computer job I do wear what ever I wish, excepting skirts and heels. I do wear leggings, the ocasional catsuit, nice, to clunky boots. I wear tops ranging from t-shirt, to more dressy styles. I wear the shirts in a tunic manner, always with a belt of some design around the waist.

Now for my flying job....jeans and T-shirt. I once wore my AA riding pants with a nice sweater, and my tall back zip boots once, and encountered no issues, but I don't want to press the issue....yet.

I totally concur that men have been denied many styles and looks, for no good reason. I have seen that this can be traced to the industrial revolution. All I know is I do get irritated when I see a big formal event and seeing all the ladies in varying outfits, and the men in....tuxedoes. Boring. LOL

Or if they're really going to be a rebel a pinstripe suit! Pretty much the only outlet for real color on a man's outfit is a tie, which in my opinion is a bad looking piece of clothing.