Amen sis!Originally Posted by Renihoward
Amen sis!
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Couldn't have said it better, Reine.
"Today a young man [...] realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration...that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively...there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the Weather.”-Bill Hicks
“What freedom men and women could have, were they not constantly tricked and trapped and enslaved and tortured by their sexuality! The only drawback in that freedom is that without it one would not be a human. One would be a monster.” East of Eden by Steinbeck
That's the problem though, her opinion that she "chose" is ultimately damaging what was already worked so hard for.
My issue is that it's a flat out lie used to boost her popularity at the expense of others.
Since it seems that everyone is "fessing up" I will too. Well, "fessing up" sound like an admission of guilt so I suppose I'm declaring since I really have nothing to be ashamed of (well, except for my dismal ability to apply eyeliner). So, I'm bi too, Paulette.
I suggest that you stop worrying about it and just enjoy the expansion of your horizans.
First off - what does being married for 25 yrs have to do with any of this if you revealed that desire to a co-worker and not your wife?
Are you sure "asked if I knew where to go" didn't mean oh I don't know as in go to hell
And "where I could talk to someone about it" didn't maybe mean -
You seriously need to see a shrink now go away.
"it would be taking .... cross-dressing to the highest degree"
Would DRESSING like a mechanic take changing your oil to the highest degree too?
I agree with the others that pleasuring a man in bed does not equate to the pinnacle of womanhood.
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"Sammy, really next time do try to make your point without being quite so abrasive." -RD
Thank you for this! I'm always very disappointed when men tell me that the highest womanly experience I can achieve is having sex with a man.
Haven't heard any GG say this...hmmm....
Here's your sign.
"Today a young man [...] realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration...that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively...there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the Weather.”-Bill Hicks
“What freedom men and women could have, were they not constantly tricked and trapped and enslaved and tortured by their sexuality! The only drawback in that freedom is that without it one would not be a human. One would be a monster.” East of Eden by Steinbeck
I am proud to say I am also bisexual so you are not alone by any means
You are very welcome,
And I don't think you will hear it anytime soon [from a GG or at least this TS] either
And if a guy tried that line on me he better be able to back up his claim with a verifiable pornstar resume' first then we would see.
"Sammy, really next time do try to make your point without being quite so abrasive." -RD
I can be a tad on the "Bi" side...with the right T-girl.
For some CD types, (yes, me included), there is a strong sexual part of our crossdressing. In that respect, playing a female role in a sexual encounter with a man is pretty much the ultimate CD experience.
Any GG or TS that would feel that this was true would have some serious self esteem issues at the very least.
It's kind of even sad that it is the "ultimate CDing experience" because of the fact that it relies on some faceless outsider to give you an "ultimate experience". It is also implicating that CDs can only fulfill a feminine role in bed with another male...however, lesbians have been doing quite the opposite for centuries.
Either way, I feel horrible for people with such a low self-esteem that validation from others is a necessary component to feeling better about themselves.
"Today a young man [...] realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration...that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively...there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the Weather.”-Bill Hicks
“What freedom men and women could have, were they not constantly tricked and trapped and enslaved and tortured by their sexuality! The only drawback in that freedom is that without it one would not be a human. One would be a monster.” East of Eden by Steinbeck
i'm something don't know what but i'm something. and i am happy about it
I don't mean to speak for all other CD's and don't think I implied that all CD's feel this way. From reading across this entire forum, I don't seem to share this part of the CD experience with the majority of those here.
I was trying to point out that some of us bisexual crossdressers feel this to be an ultimate sexual experience, not a definition of who we are.
Sex with a man is not what my crossdressing is all about. But it is sometimes, and being treated as a female sexually by a man is the ultimate sexual CDing experience for me and others, but of course not all. I'm sure for some CD's (if they have the sexual part) it would be a lesbian thing.
Either way, definitely not the ultimate life experience by any stretch.
It may be sad to you but to some it's just sex.
To quote Tom Hanks in the movie Big "I don't get it".
Care to elaborate on how being dressed like a girl transforms sex with another guy from being "just sex" into the "ultimate sexual experience" for you.
And while you're at it - can you explain that "lesbian thing" remark to me too?
"Sammy, really next time do try to make your point without being quite so abrasive." -RD
I can elaborate on this. For a CDer, it's the realization of a sublime fantasy that is fueled by the love of oneself as a woman. The term for this is autogynephilia, if you ignore Blanchard's theory that limits AGP to transsexuals. Actually if an individual is transsexual and is attracted to men, then the heightened feeling of arousal when she experiences sex as the woman she was meant to be, is not AGP in my opinion.
Back to Tami, it is what it is. There is nothing wrong with it if it makes you happy, and you can find sexual partners who also enjoy indulging in the fantasy with you.
Reine
Tami,
I didn't take it that you implied that all CD's feel this way, just some. I also found it easy to understand your point that some MTF crossdressers, without the biological equipment needed to consumate hetero sex with a man could understandably elevate their ideal of being a complete woman through experiencing the physical and emotional sensations a true female would have during normal intercourse. More importantly, I agree with you that just like a GG, a CD'r can periodically give in to her urges for intimacy while still prudently exercising the same discretion and personal esteem in choosing a partner that isn't a 'faceless outsider' for 'just sex'.
Gianna
I understand what you're saying if this person is gay or bi. But I don't get the "periodic" part. I mean, if the CD is into the male partner because there is a real attraction there, why should being dressed make any difference?
Also, would this person's partner feel that he is having sex just as he would with a GG? If not, wouldn't there be a disconnect somewhere?
Reine
You have it pretty much right. I didn't mention autogynephilia because of Blanchard's application of it to transsexuals. I think he is way of base there. According to that idea, the late transitioning TS is doing for a sexual need to be a woman. I don't buy that.
The term should apply really to crossdressers like me that get sexual gratification from dressing and acting female.
Sammy; the lesbian thing was meant to say that while for me it would be sex with a man, for others it could be with a woman in a lesbian type way. Of course when you get to down to it, I'm having gay sex and those with a woman would be having straight sex, our crossdressing helps with our fantasy, illusion, what have you.
I'm talking crossdressers only here, not transsexuals.
If I didn't make it clear, amend "ultimate sexual experience" to "ultimate crossdressing sexual experience" . If it was the the ultimate ultimate, I'd be seeking that for every time.
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No question - I'm sooo Bi-Curious. Because of my relationship, I'll probably won't take the next step,but
I would love to be dressed to the "nines", be wined and dined, accept his "first move" and make out.
... and you know the rest.
That feeling/act is something women have been experiencing since the dawn of man.
Last edited by ReineD; 01-30-2012 at 03:42 PM. Reason: TMI. Took out the fantasy since the details are off topic to the OP's discussion..
Eve
I love your response, you and I think a lot alike.
Regan
Just my opinion, but I feel that there are suppressed bisexual tendencies that are allowed to surface only when said person is dressed. Once the clothes are put away and the makeup comes off, the inhibitions are put back on. When it comes to the issue of sexuality, a lot of men are stubborn. It becomes an issue of chest-beating to prove that they are manlier than most and go to great lengths to prove that they are not gay/bi. The thing that has baffled me senseless is that I still see the same behavior even on these forums and even in this thread.
I'm sorry to have to be the mean girl that breaks it to you ladies, but dressed or not, if you have thoughts of being with a man, you are at the very least bicurious. Understand that it's OKAY to feel that way, but please don't lie to yourself. You're too nice of people to allow yourselves to be lied to. By all means dress as part of a fantasy, but recognize it for what it is; a fantasy.
"To deny our impulses, is to deny the very thing that makes us human...." - Mouse from The Matrix
Love me or hate me, I will always be myself.
I'm just the kind of gal that likes death metal, beer, and "dad" jokes. Oh and I build computers and play PC games.
Oh Eve! I think you nailed it! It just is.
Gianna
Last edited by ReineD; 01-30-2012 at 03:45 PM. Reason: Took out the details of the fantasy you refer to, since it is off topic to this discussion.
If I were to be honest I would say I am definatly bi curious. When I was younger I did have some sexual experiences with men that basically took advantage of our friendship, older men in fact that I would not even think about having sex with now. My memories are very dulled but am curious about trying it again now I am older but like a lot of the others here I do not want a rough tough hairy man. I think that would be way too intimidating to enjoy. Yeah put me on the curious list. Lol
I am a straight male right now. I don't know how I will feel but when I transition to become a woman I have a feeling I will be bi.
I used the word periodically out of respect for Tammy when she said her crossdressing was about sex only sometimes. Also, I wanted to stay away from the sweeping generalizations of the few prior posts and say that a crossdresser can be selectively intimate with an attractive man on more than a physical level (regardless of whether or not she is dressed.)Sex with a man is not what my crossdressing is all about. But it is sometimes.
Sorry if I my post was confusing.
Gianna
Last edited by Gianna; 01-31-2012 at 08:55 AM.
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