Difference between transgendered and a crossdresser

[*Vanessa*]

wow Julia "heterosexual men that gain sexual satisfaction from masterbating in pantyhose" now there is a visual I could do without.. ( this ends the reference to your post)

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Terms are fluid, they move in definition from country to country and continent to continent. It is only healthy to understand others in their meanings and how they use them.

I think everyone here know that there is a huge deference between TS and CD without talking inclusions of definitions from various sources. I also think it is old fashion to try force people into a binary format, that just doesn't work any more.

[Melody Moore]

I'll stick the transgender thank-you...

Thats fine, believe whatever you want, but the fact remains transgender is still it's an umbrella term
regrdless of whatever you might believe. And the fact is other people will define you however they see
you. In this case I still believe that you fall under the Gender Queer/Androgynous categories regardless
of whatever you think. It is my right to form my own opinion. I know I might sound like a bitch in saying
that, however the reality is others will always draw their own conclusions whether you agree with it or not.

And don't worry I had some stupid bitch in my support group was running around spreading a rumour
that I was a "Crossdresser" and that I wasn't even on hormones. And I was thinking that I might plop
my breast out in front of her one day & slap some truth & sense into her. PMSL So none of us are
immune to the problem of being mislabelled by others. However in many instances I have seen some people
mislabelling themselves, while others who know the differences apply the proper labels. For example, I see
many here who believe they are transsexual but because they haven't come out yet, been diagnosed and
started hormone therapy & taken one single step towards they cannot really make any claim about being
transsexual. So these people are trying to work out where they fit in the transgender spectrum, so is all
they know at this point is that they are transgendered.

I may be androgynous, but I am still Trans.

That's OK, being androgynous is being transgender yeah? So noone is disputing that.
As for the woman who wears mens clothes, that is a load of crap. I know lots of women
who wear men's uniforms or clothing when they go to work for practical reasons. Such
as a female electrician, mechanic, factory workers, farm hands, etc. The fact is Pythos
clothing don't define who you are. If you are a male who likes to dress up in female clothing,
the fact is you still are just a man in a female clothing or more specifically you might be a
drag queen, crossdresser or transvestite. I have seen male cheer leaders wearing the same
clothing as the girls, such as shorts & a sports bra, but that does NOT make the trans anything.
They are simply men who are dressing in a uniform that is part of their job as cheer leaders.

TS/IS people do not have much in common with the overall gender umbrella.

I take huge offense in being classified as being part of a umbrella term that includes heterosexual men that gain sexual satisfaction from masterbating in pantyhose and attempts to garner some sort of acceptance by claiming transgender status.
This is why you see a ever growing divide between TS/IS people and the term transgender.

Thank you Julia, this is what I have also been seeing in the community. I am a member of many transgender,
transsexual and intersex networks and this is so true. We are keen to distance ourselves from those who
engage in transvestic fetishism. I know many peoiple don't want to allow the fetishists to be part of the
Sex & Gender Diverse community, because they don't have any issues with their birth sex or gender identity
and that is why I believe we are now starting to see this new movement within the community.

they move in definition from country to country and continent to continent. It is only healthy to understand others in their meanings and how they use them.
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I also think it is old fashion to try force people into a binary format, that just doesn't work any more.

First of all they don't vary between the most modern countries who all share in the same WPATH SoC.

And quite the contrary, I think the earlier part of this post where I replied to Julia highlights why there needs to be
more distinct definitions. Sorry, I don't want to be included in the same basket as you or any other crossdresser.

[ronny]

Oh..there is a big difference..but just be you and let it happen naturally in time..whichever you are is ok!!

Roni

[DeeInGeorgia]

I do not think I have ever seen so much hipocracy as I have read here. Starting off with some women of transsexual history that berate CDers of fetish or other reasons. You may have a female gender identity, but your gender expression is so extremely masculine competative. There is not one ounce of female nurturing gender expression in uour soul. And you weep and complain about fem radicals (who are masculine gender expression also) who exclude you. All they are doing to you is what you are doin to CDers. The problem of bogotry of this sort is the bigot is so blinded by their bigotry they do not and will not understand their bigotry.

Gender identity is not the same as gender expression. I have known many women of transsexual history that were able to live for years hiding their opposite gender identity necause they did not have much opposite gender expression. Many gay men have suffered over the years because of their opposite gender expression. Some crossdressers have spent years being bullied, including today by women of transsexual history, because of their innate opppsite gender expression. A pox on all who are not nurturing of everyone who is or was trans, trans for whatever reason.