Dressing like a s**t - why?

[kandice74]

great thread silentpartner!!! i actually asked my so about this recently...i think for him it is a case of trying to hard. he feels that in order for him to feel feminine he has to go above and beyond looking like the "average girl". i was very confused by his desire to achieve such a sl**ty look because he very much prefers me covered up with very simple hair and makeup but i kinda got it when he said that he feels i dont need to look like a s**t to look like an attractive female (which of course made my heart smile). hope this helps

[rachel_rachel]

I too find it a bit offensive actually, If wanted to visit a crossedressers porn site i would... But i don't so i don't think i need to see it here. You may say if you don't like it then don't read or look but you can't preview the pictures beforehand.

I don't need to see a picture bent over a seat or barstool in the main forum, that's what the risky buiness page is for.. (and i will admit i have pictures in there)

[Miriam-J]

Very nice topic, Silentpartner. But it appears to me that this is not an issue that can be resolved without considering the many varieties that populate this forum, and it's even more difficult to resolve without resorting to labels that will offend one group or another. Let me take a shot at it with descriptions rather than labels.

As we've discussed many times on this forum, CDing includes a wide spectrum. There are those who identify as female, some of whom consider themselves on the path toward full female anatomy. There are those identify as male but who find fulfillment from just dressing as female, and the amount of time spent dressing en femme varies from once in a blue moon to nearly every day. There are those who identify as male but dress only in the manner described in this thread, and it appears to me that the frequency of this is more occasional than most of the previous group, and their choice of female dress is much more likely to be involved with sexual stimulation (but there are probably exceptions). I'm sure I'm missing some groupings, but it's clear to me that we really don't have inoffensive labels to attach to these groups so it's difficult to have a rational discussion. It's even more complicated since many in the latter group may transition to one of the other groups as they grow older.

Personally, I don't have a lot of interest in interactions with most in the latter group because I find their interests to be quite different from my own. I also worry since this is the CD expression most likely to offend the public, thus making it harder to find acceptance of my own expression. I have no problem with any sexual or dressing choices that do no harm to others, so I can accept this behavior in private and in appropriate public venues where others in the environment expect it and find it acceptable.

Miriam

[Wildaboutheels]

Standing ovation for both Kelly and girltoy. Kelly already did a standout job [IMO] discussing the power that women can and do hold, because by evolutionary design, men are easily "judgementally impaired" by a woman's physical attractiveness and choice of dress is certainly a PART of that. But ONLY a part. As girltoy conveyed quite well in her response as to perception.

Perception - just what is a ****??? As with everything, Perception plays an equal if not bigger part, in how we treat or interact with people doesn't it? Two girls at a bar for instance could have a guy come up and be very careful to treat each one equally. An hour later, one gal might think she is madly in love with him, and the other girl thinks he is pure pond scum. Perception.

Question: Could a man be a ****, simply because of WHAT he is wearing? Or could he at least be Hot? Because of what he is wearing?

I think a third possible reason might simply be mood? How many different moods might a guy or gal have? Don't most people dress for both occasion and their mood or just how good or bad they might feel at the time?

The only way to know for sure why anyone is dressed as they are, is to ASK them. Of course, they might not even know themselves.

[busker]

Several things.

Not every male notices the finer facets of sex appeal and fashion. A good friend of mine (a GG) once told me, "If you want to get a guy's attention, make it big and make it red". I believe that CDers who dress this way, do so because this is what they find sexually appealing in women. They want to be sexually appealing, but not necessarily to men.

At first I was also confused, wondering why a straight CDer would dress in the same manner as a GG who wants to attract men. A hetero CDer is not attracted to the man so much as he is attracted to himself appearing as his definition of a sexy female. It is the thought that he is alluring when dressed that excites him, not an attraction to a particular man. I'm sure you've read threads in this forum where some of the hetero CDers take it one step further and place an image of a faceless man in their fantasies, as an accessory to the fantasy. Yet when the hetero CDers have actually gone out and tried having sex with men, they report feelings of disappointment (generally speaking), which is a confirmation it is about the appeal of the self as a sexy female rather than an attraction to men.

There are also CDers who wear risqué outfits without looking like sl*ts. I know this is highly subjective, but I've seen tasteful boudoir shots, where the CDers use the clothes to feel as feminine as they can. We can't assume that all such outfits produce the same amount of sexual release.

Babs ... I've never seen so many stars in your post.

EDIT
I repeated myself quite a bit in this post, sorry. I was writing it in segments.

Does that mean someone is bringing their FIRE ENGINE? LOL

[DebbieL]

The thing to keep in mind is that many transgenders and cross-dressers keep their desires very secret, often not speaking of it to families, friends, even their own spouses are not told, before or after the marriage. We have several cross-dressers who have been married for a decade or more without telling their wives.

They have the desire to look and act like the women they consider beautiful and sexy. It's not even that they want to have sex with a partner. In fact, many cross-dressers spend decades only dressing up at home, while alone, when they know that no one will see them. They might bring a few "fetish items" to wear while on business trips, but are not willing to risk taking high heels, bras, corsets, or jewelry that might be exposed during a manual bag search.

As a result, they don't really get the training, coaching, and support of women who tell them what's hot and what's not. They often struggle for years with self esteem, experiencing shame and guilt for wanting to be/dress woman, and at the same time, loathing their male appearance.

To a cross-dresser, who only dresses up "for fun", women who wear loose pants, lose cotton blouses, and other "masculine" attire are not just less attractive, but are unattractive and even ugly. They can wear pants and ugly shoes as men, but if they want to wear a skirt and heels, they have to go to extreme measures to look as feminine as possible.

Transsexuals often move on. When they transition, wearing 3 inch heels and short skirts every single day begins to lose it's appeal. They begin to like the days when they can wear flats, jeans, and even looser pants. Even though they now have real breasts and have real cleavage to show, they don't want to show it as much, because they like seeing men look into their eyes.

Girls go through a whole process of maturing and socialization. Outfits that were "in" one year, are "****ty" the next year. Furthermore, what would be "****ty" in a shopping mall, would be "hot" in a club, and things that would be beautiful in church, would be overdone in a shopping mall or diner.

Women and transsexuals are very aware of dressing situation appropriate. Often, when invited to an unfamiliar restaurant or social event, one of the first questions is "What should I wear", and it's really important that they get it right. Wearing jeans to a charity fund raiser would get you.noticed in a bad way.

[busker]

girltoy

That is the slippery slope though. Why does a guy presenting as female and showing legs mean by that. Who is he trying to attract? Certainly not a woman? Even if she passes, only a lesbian might show interest but not too likely, so any efforts to stimulate viewers would seem to me to be seeking out a male for sex, because that is where the appreciative comments are likely to come from. I think that rationalizes the action--oh, look at my beautiful legs. And, we are not considering "dressing for their age". Why is a CD who is 50 dressing like a 20 y.o. rather than age appropriate, especially in public? Somehow, I think the person dressing in this fashion isn't going to be honest about their reasons if they intend to be in public places. what happens at home is an entirely different thing. Just an opinion.

Vickie, I have to ask the question of why someone would want to pass that badly that they would attract a male and take the possibility of getting their face kicked in by some male who not only didn't appreciate getting fooled, but fooled by a cross dresser? This seems to be a "case of asking for it".. That's Russian roulette with a round in every chamber. If they are validating their skills, there must be a GG in their life that would do the same validation based on experience, especially if they are out in public.

[whowhatwhen]

I'm sure you've read threads in this forum where some of the hetero CDers take it one step further and place an image of a faceless man in their fantasies, as an accessory to the fantasy. Yet when the hetero CDers have actually gone out and tried having sex with men, they report feelings of disappointment (generally speaking), which is a confirmation it is about the appeal of the self as a sexy female rather than an attraction to men.

A while back there was a rather large thread about being "bi when dressed" so I don't think we can or should assume that even most people here are 100% heterosexual.
I also think it depends on what that faceless man is doing, if he's using his faceless penis on you then 100% straight you're not. :P

I can't speak for everyone but in my case the faceless male is due to unresolved sexual orientation issues and repression.
*My faceless male has nothing to do with crossdressing, he does have a rockin' bod though!


Not that that has anything to do with dressing like a "s**t", but I can see why bi or gay crossdressers would to attract the attention of men.

Maybe it's a domination/submission thing where they want to be objectified/used/whatever and they want to attract a man who will do things to them and that's that.
You can examine the sexist implications of that all day but I'm 99% sure it's not even a fleeting thought let alone any feeling of how women should look/act in the real world.

As another poster mentioned, it's going to take some time for a new CD to get into the hang of what is appropriate to wear in public.
I imagine this being harder if you're closeted and have no one to get advice from.

[girltoy]

Condensed version: stop judging based on clothes.

Long version:

That is the slippery slope though. Why does a guy presenting as female and showing legs mean by that. Who is he trying to attract? Certainly not a woman? Even if she passes, only a lesbian might show interest but not too likely, so any efforts to stimulate viewers would seem to me to be seeking out a male for sex, because that is where the appreciative comments are likely to come from. I think that rationalizes the action--oh, look at my beautiful legs. And, we are not considering "dressing for their age". Why is a CD who is 50 dressing like a 20 y.o. rather than age appropriate, especially in public? Somehow, I think the person dressing in this fashion isn't going to be honest about their reasons if they intend to be in public places. what happens at home is an entirely different thing. Just an opinion.

The fact that you disregarded my accompanying argument that there may be other motives for wearing something aside from trying to attract someone, my point remains valid. A painter doesn't paint for the purposes of attracting a mate, they do it to express themselves, much like a CDer dresses to express themselves. Making a statement that a CD male wearing a skirt and showing leg is done exclusively to attract a male is akin to saying that a person rides a motorcycle only to attract a biker. Statements like that completely disregard the person behind the appearance AND their motives.

Age appropriateness is not the topic on hand. However, it is related; why single out CDs that are 50 dressing like a 20 year old without asking why is a GG who is 50 dressing like a 20 y.o. rather than age appropriate, especially in public? Obviously it's because that's what they chose to wear, how they chose to express themselves, and whatever other motives they have. Do I agree with it? It doesn't matter; that's what they chose to do to make themselves happy, and who am I to infringe on that?

The clothes we choose to wear are an expression of ourselves. Sometimes it has to do with attracting a mate, sometimes it's compensation for other issues (psychological, physical, emotional), sometimes it's for comfort, to fit in, or any one of a multitude of reasons. Again, who are we to pass judgement on someone based on appearance? More specifically, for a group of people (the trans community in general) who are seeking to be accepted by other people (the non-trans community in general) to be making snap judgements based on appearance seems highly hypocritical.

The clothes are just that, it is the INTENT and the ACTIONS of the person wearing them that we need to examine, not the attire. There are many people who over or under dress (appropriate for the event, not CD over/under dress), both GG and CD. The following quote is a very true statement, however there are exceptions with both GGs and the trans community:

Women and transsexuals are very aware of dressing situation appropriate. Often, when invited to an unfamiliar restaurant or social event, one of the first questions is "What should I wear", and it's really important that they get it right. Wearing jeans to a charity fund raiser would get you.noticed in a bad way.

[msginaadoll]

Its ok to not understand why. In the end everyone is different. Sometimes we try to put all people in a box, or make them the same. Everyone is different, and in the eyes of the people who dress a certain way they like the way they look. I dont have tattoos but others do. I dont say they are disrespecting the human skin but getting t
them. I dont see someone dressing in a manner called ****ty as disrespercting woman. Maybe I would call it making a characture of some womean type being they view as attractive or empowering. They might see it as different. Maybe the end it is not possibe for a GG to realy understand a CD who knows. However in my belief is if we just accept that others are different and allow them to be without putting our judgements on them the world may be a better place.

[Lyndaloves]

I am really lost in this thread.
To say a Crossdresser can't dress as a sl## is like telling a crossdresser he can't dress as a woman.
Is there a dress code for crossdressing, is it different for TVs and TSs???
To be a crossdresser do you ahve to be hetror is there another name for gay, or bi (crossdressers?)
Why do some wear stockings and not pantyhose, do not stockings and garter belts add that flair of erotic, or Sl##Yness
There are alot of cds here that dress very very nicely and are very attractive and very very passable.
and seeing them in public I wouldn't of hesitated to make a pass at them, thinking they were real GGs.
Here they too would have fooled a man and ended up getting gay bashed, hetro or not.
No matter how we dress we face danger going out in public from those that wouldn't hesitate to harm us.
Maybe I am just lost here and totally missed what is trying to be said

Lynda

[wilt575]

Vickie, I have to ask the question of why someone would want to pass that badly that they would attract a male and take the possibility of getting their face kicked in by some male who not only didn't appreciate getting fooled, but fooled by a cross dresser? This seems to be a "case of asking for it".. That's Russian roulette with a round in every chamber. If they are validating their skills, there must be a GG in their life that would do the same validation based on experience, especially if they are out in public.

I don't go for attracting guys just opposite I try to dress and pass enough to try and attract girls as a girl, don't know why I want "lesbian" relationship with females, but always had very fem side since childhood. When I hook up with another girl let them know up front I'm cd so no sudden surprises if things develope farther.

[stacylynn1]

what I would like to know, is why when a GG gets married she wear's sweat's all the time.

[Vickie_CDTV]

Vickie, I have to ask the question of why someone would want to pass that badly that they would attract a male and take the possibility of getting their face kicked in by some male who not only didn't appreciate getting fooled, but fooled by a cross dresser? This seems to be a "case of asking for it".. That's Russian roulette with a round in every chamber. If they are validating their skills, there must be a GG in their life that would do the same validation based on experience, especially if they are out in public.

Personally, I don't know, as it is not something I do or desire to do; as I said in another thread, trying to attract interest from straight men can be dangerous. However, for some, they seek that kind of validation and it is important to them I guess, and they might enjoy the thrill of testing limits in general.

[Sandra]

Said this before...what people wear in their own home is up to them, but when they take it out into the big wide world it give the community a bad name, now if they want to continue dressing like that fine but don't start with the comments, "why doesn't society accept us"

[Millie]

I personally like to dress up to my mood. What someone else wants to do is their business. The SO likes me to look s***ty when we're intimate. If a cd that's heterosexual likes to dress up to attract other men, then I don't think their heterosexual.
If another man is attracted to me, it makes me feel good that he wants me, no matter what I'm wearing. Love Millie

[Silentpartner GG SO]

The fact that you disregarded my accompanying argument that there may be other motives for wearing something aside from trying to attract someone, my point remains valid. A painter doesn't paint for the purposes of attracting a mate, they do it to express themselves, much like a CDer dresses to express themselves. Making a statement that a CD male wearing a skirt and showing leg is done exclusively to attract a male is akin to saying that a person rides a motorcycle only to attract a biker. Statements like that completely disregard the person behind the appearance AND their motives.

Girltoy I'm not being awkward but in this instance, your analagies dont really hold water - we are talking about sex here, and painters dont paint with sex in mind- neiuther does a biker ride a bike for sex - neither painting nor riding a bike can in any way be construed as a sexual passtime, whereas dressing in an inappropriate manner and calling yourself s****y in my opinion is most certainly about sex!

A painter painting in the street or a biker riding a bike outdoors is hardly likely to attract the wrong sort of attention, or bring disrespect or bad publicity to themselves whereas a CD'er dressing s****y and going out in public is very likely to getstared at, talked about, maybe even picked up by a horny guy and possibly as mentioned earlier get their face kicked in.

If my husband wanted to go out dressed it would have to be in decent modest attire and I would accompany him without any problem. However if he wanted to go out dressed like a tart then no way would I go with him - I'd worry about him and try to disuade him from doing so and probably I'd be ashamed of him too. It's all about crossing certain lines of comfort and acceptability.

Again, what someone does in their home, fine, none of mine or anyone else's business. But going out like it, I still feel it is disrespectful of women and doing no good for the CD/transgender community in terms of acceptance by the general public.

Several threads have been started with the titles such as "Crossdresser gets attacked in ......." and everyone oos and aaas and says how terrible it is and how the community are so against you all, etc.etc. but does anyone actually know how this person was dressed or was behaving? Of course nobody should be attacked or ridiculed for the clothes they are wearing but provoking such attacks and ridicule by dressing and behaving in an inappropriate manner is just plain daft IMO

Absolutely I think there is an argument as to why a GG would go out looking like a tart but that's not the discussion we are having here.

[Katesback]

Silentpartnet:

Im thinking that because for many CDs dressing has some sort of a sexaul element they will dress like your talking about because its goverened by this. Also they watch the medial and see all these sexy women and they want to emulate them. What many dont understand is you have to grow up to know HOW to wear clothes like this.

[Laura912]

An interesting, confusing and little bit disturbing thread. If one looks at the avatar to the left one would form an opinion of the person which, based on this thread, would be dead wrong. The dress for that was private, a bit of a show off, and definitely not for passing in public. So what, based on the thread, does that make me?

[suchacutie]

When my wife and I found Tina, my wife likened what Tina would go through to the process of "growing up as a girl", and that meant "experimenting" with anything and everything including all facets of makeup, clothes, voice, deportment, and even psychology. She said that eventually Tina would find out who she is and have a style, or more than one, that suited her and made her feel wonderful.

If that premise is even reasonably true for all of us on this site, it would seem reasonable that all of us have gone through some stage of at least trying on clothes and using makeup in a way that would not be considered "the norm" in public.

Is there a person on the planet who wears women's clothes who hasn't experimented with a variety of styles, some of which might be a bit provocative? Are there not some GGs who also tend to dress in a way we would not consider "the norm" in public?

One thing about this forum is that it allows all of us to bring up topics that might not surface in other places. That doesn't mean that a majority of us associate ourselves with that topic. My guess is that eventually every topic imaginable will be discussed here. That's not negative. In fact, it's terrific, but let's keep it in perspective

tina

[Marleena]

I missed (or ignored) the original thread that started this dicussion. What I have found that members find this place a safe haven and discuss things they might not elsewhere and that is to be applauded.

Even within the general public people find kinks and turnons that could cause questions for one's reasoning for doing so. I'm sure if people within the general public admitted to what turns them on we would have many WTF moments! I try not to question or judge anybody's actions since we are such a diversified group. What is fun or daring for some is not for others. Same goes for sex fetishes people have within the general public. Most never talk about them in a public forum because they don't find it safe to do so.

I also don't think anybody here does things intentionally to degrade women. JMO.

[girltoy]

What I cannot understand is why a heterosexual male would want to dress in such a way and to want to attract or sexually arouse another guy.

Sometimes this is out of our hands (applicable to both men and women). I’ve read numerous posts on this forum wherein the poster has been flirted with while dressed in a moderate fashion. Would it be safe to say that you were not dressed like a ‘****’ or a ‘tart’ when your husband approached you initially and asked you for a first date? One’s attire does not dictate the behavior of others, it is an expression of one’s self. Unless the person comes out and states in no uncertain terms what their motivations are for dressing in a particular manner, a statement that they’re dressing to attract or sexually arouse someone is an inferred (and potentially erroneous) statement.

Girltoy I'm not being awkward but in this instance, your analagies dont really hold water - we are talking about sex here, and painters dont paint with sex in mind- neiuther does a biker ride a bike for sex - neither painting nor riding a bike can in any way be construed as a sexual passtime, whereas dressing in an inappropriate manner and calling yourself s****y in my opinion is most certainly about sex!

A painter painting in the street or a biker riding a bike outdoors is hardly likely to attract the wrong sort of attention, or bring disrespect or bad publicity to themselves whereas a CD'er dressing s****y and going out in public is very likely to getstared at, talked about, maybe even picked up by a horny guy and possibly as mentioned earlier get their face kicked in.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, and I apologize if I come across as argumentative (I view this as a discussion from two separate viewpoints rather than an argument). Dressing in an inappropriate manner is highly subjective, based on location and activity (as I mentioned in prior posts). The activities one engages in while dressed in such a manner readily lends itself to the application of derogatory terms (behaving in a promiscuous manner, e.g.).

A blanket statement about painters not painting with sex in mind (or any artist using their chosen medium) is fairly far-fetched in my opinion. There are countless paintings, sculptures, and photographs that capture the human body (male and female) in various states of undress, and usually exemplifying the “ideal” of the species with defined musculature in males and curvature of the female form. We as society tend not to think of art as sexual because we have been taught that it’s art, not pornography, yet some artists have been lambasted for inappropriateness. Artists who put their works in the public eye are constantly under scrutiny by the public.

My biker reference is a prime example of how people think in language and stereotypes. As a society, people see someone dressed in a provocative manner, exposing skin or wearing tight clothes, and they think ‘****’ without hesitation. If a man walked into a place of business wearing riding leathers, with a scruffy beard and tons of tattoos, people would instantly think of all of the negative connotations that popular media and their own personal standards have placed on people who appear that way.

Yes, there’s the potential that a horny guy will attempt to pick up on a CD. There’s also the ability of said CD to politely turn the person down, leaving the scene (or contacting security/police if need be). There’s the responsibility of the CD to frequent a safe place while dressed. There’s the risk of getting their face kicked in. There’s also the potential to get your face kicked in while getting cash out of the ATM while dressed in drab.

If my husband wanted to go out dressed it would have to be in decent modest attire and I would accompany him without any problem. However if he wanted to go out dressed like a tart then no way would I go with him - I'd worry about him and try to disuade him from doing so and probably I'd be ashamed of him too. It's all about crossing certain lines of comfort and acceptability.

Again, what someone does in their home, fine, none of mine or anyone else's business. But going out like it, I still feel it is disrespectful of women and doing no good for the CD/transgender community in terms of acceptance by the general public.

Understandably; you and your husband have boundaries placed on what can be worn and in what situations. My SO and I have boundaries and limitations as well. Stating that it is disrespectful of women is your right, and I respect your opinion. I am curious, do you think that women who dress in a provocative fashion and behave in a flirtatious manner are also disrespectful of women? I just want to understand if this is a double standard.

As for the sexual aspect of dressing in this manner, that has to be judged on a case by case basis. For some people, dressing that way and knowing they can turn on a member of the same (or opposite) gender is a thrill (applicable to both genders). For some, it isn’t sexual so much as breaking out of their comfort zone, which provides a little thrill as well (adrenaline seeking behavior). For others it is a matter of fitting in for a particular situation.

Absolutely I think there is an argument as to why a GG would go out looking like a tart but that's not the discussion we are having here.

I’m uncomfortable with this statement, as it seems a bit of a double standard. What if both the GG and the CD have the same motivation for their attire? My opinion is that this community is here to express oneself in a safe haven of acceptance (within the rules and guidelines of the forum), and by casually tossing about derogatory terms and then saying something akin to “It’s okay for this group to act like this, but not okay for another group” it dances terribly close to intolerance (going to reiterate that this is my opinion). I’m sorry if this offends anyone or steps on anyone’s toes, but we (as a society) think in language. I’ll admit, seeing the term ‘****’ tossed out got my back up. It’s a term used to denigrate. Yes, people dress and act in a provocative manner. I will freely and readily admit that, in some instances, it is inappropriate. I know that I’m probably not going to change how people view the world, or the language that they use, but I can hope.

[kellycan27]

I am really lost in this thread.
To say a Crossdresser can't dress as a sl## is like telling a crossdresser he can't dress as a woman.
Is there a dress code for crossdressing, is it different for TVs and TSs???
To be a crossdresser do you ahve to be hetror is there another name for gay, or bi (crossdressers?)
Why do some wear stockings and not pantyhose, do not stockings and garter belts add that flair of erotic, or Sl##Yness
There are alot of cds here that dress very very nicely and are very attractive and very very passable.
and seeing them in public I wouldn't of hesitated to make a pass at them, thinking they were real GGs.
Here they too would have fooled a man and ended up getting gay bashed, hetro or not.
No matter how we dress we face danger going out in public from those that wouldn't hesitate to harm us.
Maybe I am just lost here and totally missed what is trying to be said

Lynda

I don't often were stockings or pantyhose, but when I do I wear stay up thigh highs or stockings and a garter belt. I don't like pantyhose for a number of reasons. I think the ****ty part ( for my own personal self) would be if people can tell "which" I am wearing by virtue of "what" I am wearing. If people can see my pantyhose or garter.. I personally feel that my skirt might be a tad too short. To quote a mother of a teenaged girl who wanted to go to school wearing a too short skirt. "people can tell that you are a girl, you don't have to prove it by showing them that you are". While there may not be a different dress code between CDer's and TS/GG There is definitely a different mindset for some of us. It might be fun to dress in a provocative manner to titillate men for that fleeting moment and then go back to your manly self, for women it can cause a perception that we have to constantly battle with. It's unfortunate that some people are judged by what they wear, but good bad or indifferent that's they way it is. I get it, I mean that when I first transitioned and began living full time as a woman I'll admit that I flaunted it a bit, but I quickly discovered that along with with the attention came unwanted attention that could be scary to down right dangerous. Dress however you want, but be careful what you wish for whether you be cd,ts, or GG. The opinions that are expressed here are strictly my own.. YMMV.

[Tina B.]

Wow, and I thought it was just because, boys just want to have fun, it's a guy thing! guy's are visual creatures, we grow up on mens magazines, filled with pictures of beautiful women, dressed in revealing clothes, well that's a challenge, can I pull it off? I'm a hetero, closet dresser, and I will pull out a tight mini, fishnets, and my tallest heels now and then, just for the fun of it, and I'm not putting down anybody, I'm just playing. After all sometimes a pair of fishnets are just a pair of fishnets, they are not a weapon, not meant to hurt anybody, and since I bought them in the womens section, of the store, how could they be an insult to anyone? I think we all should lighten up, and not worry so much about what others wear, it's not uniforms, we can all do our own thing!
Tina B.

[BLUE ORCHID]

H SP, Sometimes it's just plane fun to be naughty it's who we are It's what we do.