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    [SIZE="2"]I take issue with this part of the quoted text:[/SIZE]

    ...what sets them (the CD) apart from the TS or TG is that the TS knows their gender and sex are at odds. They know their true gender is not their birth gender. Sometimes it takes a bit of time, often with a therapist to figure this out, but it is truly something we know deep down. There is no question. The CD however questions this to death. This continual questioning often leads them toward anxiety creating other social problems that on the surface can make them think they might be transsexual. As I said, the TS knows and there is little or no question in their soul.

    This doesn't mean that the latent transsexual is a myth. It is very much a reality and for those who do discover their true identity in later life, that realization can be earth shattering. Of course these people came from the CD part of the trans community. This only adds to the questions the CD will ask. I can only address this question like this; The latent TS will "hit the wall" and go crazy in the process.
    [SIZE="2"]I’ve said it before, and I‘ll say it again – apparently I don’t belong here, because I have never driven myself crazy by asking such ridiculous questions. Whoever wrote this shallow blurb about crossdressers assumes that they need therapy to figure themselves out, which is another way of saying that a problem of sexual identity exists. I don’t feel that way, and I have never felt that way about this hedonistic pleasure I get from dressing. Do we have to assume that it’s all about sex, simply because gender lines have been crossed? I think tactile sensations need to be mentioned, and not in a fetishistic sense, perhaps even leading to a tacit acknowledgement that there are some pretty ordinary crossdressers out there. I am one of the latter, and it is very frustrating to be clinically dissected like some unfortunate insect (we ARE the cockroaches of society, remember?). Continual questioning? I don’t think so...
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    I decided to avoid the labels and definitions of who and what I am. Saved me all manner of heartburn and doubts .I am a woman ,think and act as one .As I'm 64 ,I'll forgo the surgery,however T blockers will serve me nicely.I lost most of my prostate last year so my sex drive has been somewhat modified.I like to dress in a "sexy " manner when I'm with a special person, I like to dress well when out in public but I just as easy will go about in slacks ,t-shirt and low heels (hate flats ).I just enjoy knowing that I'm where I want to be...I'm happy as my own woman.
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    Me? Just a guy with a quirk. And that is good enough for me. I don't "fit in" anywhere but I don't need to.

    EVERYone I know has different "things" that make them unique and I work with a very large number of people.

    Why does Society in general have to make such an issue of the clothes people choose to wear? They are just the wrapper and MAY in no way be indicative of the person inside. And mannerisms? As in an [sometimes] obvious man dressing and "acting" as a woman? As long as that person or ANY person treats you with courtousy and respect WHY should there be a problem?

    Of course there are an awful lot of frustrated people in the world today who will gladly use any excuse, anyONE or anything to be able to vent or complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by April Lyn View Post
    For me I fit nicely in the middle, between TG and TS. I am daily discovering more and more about myself and who I really am which seens always to inch colser and closer to TS, but over all it just feels so good to be me and finally accept myself for who I am.

    - April
    I feel like this sums it up nicely for me, too. For most of my life I considered myself just a plain old CD but in the last five or so years, things have changed. Considerably. It's not just about clothes, as I once thought. It's more about how I feel in my head and heart. I don't always need to dress up to feel feminine but it helps resolve the discrepancy I feel between inner and outer. I don't know where I will be in another five or ten years but I can't honestly rule anything out. I am already much deeper down the rabbit hole than I ever thought I'd be. So I find myself between TG and TS on the scale, but I'm not currently sure exactly where. And so the journey continues....

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    To me I am a Trangenderist. I long to be the woman I know I am.
    But with the passing years and because this topic was a complete NO NO in my years, I had done the noble male thing and taken a wife and had a child. If I knew then what I know now and had all the info available thats out there now, I would be a woman now and be alittle upset I couldn't have carried that child in me, to breast feed, and yes get my period, and to be made love to by my man. Sex to me is part of life and being experiencing what a woman feels during intercouse would be the ultimate reward.

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    Hi, Marleena! Right now I feel like I'm somewhere between TG and TS. But that's only right now. I can't say anything about what my feelings in the future might be. I think my answer to every good question in life is "Undecided".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyndaloves View Post
    To me I am a Trangenderist. I long to be the woman I know I am.
    But with the passing years and because this topic was a complete NO NO in my years, I had done the noble male thing and taken a wife and had a child. If I knew then what I know now and had all the info available thats out there now, I would be a woman now and be alittle upset I couldn't have carried that child in me, to breast feed, and yes get my period, and to be made love to by my man. Sex to me is part of life and being experiencing what a woman feels during intercouse would be the ultimate reward.
    I wish I could have a child... but ewww... I'm soooo glad I don't have a period!

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    No matter who we are ....when we transform ..we feel ourselves ...again ...which means originally we are females but nature wanted us to be males .....lets ask ourselves a big question...If the society accepts us whether ts or CD or transexual or what ever ...with open hearts without any complications..would we transform back to males .....no way ..I will act full time as i really feels ...a woman ...

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    I really don't know where I fit into the labels category. I live as a woman, but no surgery or hormones.
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    Actually, all the labels are sort of limiting, and conservative. I guess people also have their own definitions of things.

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    Reading that just makes me think that Harry Benjamin and Kinesey didn't understand gender at all.

    Am I allowed to say that about such luminary's? Probably not, but it's true. I can not connect to any of it

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    I'm a bit inexperienced with all of this so take this with a grain of salt, and please, correct me if I'm wrong:

    Everyone is so vastly different and trying to fit into someone else's shoes is just going to stress you out.
    If you're having gender issues you could be better off talking to a therapist than obsessing over trying to get the internet to diagnose you.


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    What I think I am today, I probably won't think I am tomorrow. I'm beginning to think my place on the spectrum is but a raft on the river...
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    im a CD with thoughts of goin full time woman or as much as possable someday i dont find me dressing as arousing any more not for 15 years anyways i find it be be the "me" i want to be but only you my new sisters know that hugs

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    I think right now the only category I could fit into is CD.

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    I can relate fairly easily to the definition of transsexual given in the quoted article, although having started my transition, I do not identify with the constant mental trauma suggested there.

    I have a great deal of difficulty with the mish-mashed combination of Kinsey and Harry Benjamin because of the conflation of sexuality with gender identity. On that scale I would probably come out as a six for the gender part but for the fact that he insists that a Type Six has to be heterosexual and desire relations with a man.

    Fortunately, many modern clinicians actually reject the terms homosexuality and heterosexuality in relation to transsexuals, preferring simply to note our attraction to men or women.

    Those who persist in (wrongly) classifying me by my birth sex would consider me to be heterosexual, but that does not fit with reality either since I am not attracted to other women as a man would be. I self-identify as Lesbian, so where does that place me on the Kinsey+Benjamin scale? Somewhere off the radar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marleena View Post
    Transgenderist is omitted completely from these definitions used for treatment.


    Dr. Harry Benjamin's Gender Disorientation Scale

    Kinsey's sexual orientation scale

    0 Exclusively heterosexual with no homosexual experience
    1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
    2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
    3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual
    4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
    5 Predominantly homosexual, but incidentally heterosexual
    6 Exclusively homosexual, with no heterosexual experience


    Benjamin's Scale references and uses Dr. Alfred Kinsey's sexual orientation scale to distinguish between "true transsexualism" and "transvestism". But the strict relationship between gender identity (Benjamin's Scale) and sexual orientation (Kinsey's Scale) was just a result of the researcher's biases, not his scientific findings.

    [SIZE="4"]So maybe it's easier if we just a pick a number[/SIZE].
    I started to post on this yesterday but refrained because what I had to say wasn't nice. My bad girl side was coming out.
    This is very interesting. I don't agree with it at all. Personally I believe that my Sexual Idenity, and Sexual Orientation are 2 completely different things. Science is always trying to link the 2. From the post I see here, others agree.
    The Kinsey's scale is a good tool for determining sexual orientation but I hate when it is applied to TG or TS people.
    I want to thank Marleena for doing the research and posting this.

    I agree with carhill2mn. Not a big fan of Harry Benjamin.
    Of course this is my opinion and not of scientific findings.

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    There isn't a perfect answer

    Quote Originally Posted by whowhatwhen View Post
    I'm a bit inexperienced with all of this so take this with a grain of salt, and please, correct me if I'm wrong:

    Everyone is so vastly different and trying to fit into someone else's shoes is just going to stress you out.
    If you're having gender issues you could be better off talking to a therapist than obsessing over trying to get the internet to diagnose you.

    I agree, I posted both articles for reference. The Harry Benjamin scale being the one that the medical professionals turn to for treating patients. Even if you find a number using the Benjamin scale there may be parts of the definition that don't apply to you. Point is even when it's explained it's still confusing.

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    The original Benjamin scale is obsolete. There are historical reasons for conflating sexuality and gender, as it wasn't clear to anyone at that time that they could be separated. Some of those threads of thinking are still in play, being behind concepts like autogynephilia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaP View Post
    The original Benjamin scale is obsolete. There are historical reasons for conflating sexuality and gender, as it wasn't clear to anyone at that time that they could be separated. Some of those threads of thinking are still in play, being behind concepts like autogynephilia.
    Lea is there a new/different version of the Benjamin scale? The Kinsey sexual definitions in the Benjamin scale seems to cause the most issues for people.

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    Clinicians ultimately evaluate against the DSM and/or ICD diagnostic criteria themselves and may use assay tools like the Utrecht Gender Dysphoria questionnaire as a guide. Any therapist can cite a zillion reasons why you can't use any simple tools or scales and comparisons in order to satisfy the criteria, however. Such Clients can present with gender issues for all kinds of reasons other than GID, and they also see people present with problems which wind up being GID without any suspicion that gender is involved.

    (lay)People like to reference the Benjamin and Kinsey scales still because they're simple, plus they appeal to the spectrum concept. Also, these were classification systems, not diagnostic guides per se.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaP View Post
    Clinicians ultimately evaluate against the DSM and/or ICD diagnostic criteria themselves and may use assay tools like the Utrecht Gender Dysphoria questionnaire as a guide. Any therapist can cite a zillion reasons why you can't use any simple tools or scales and comparisons in order to satisfy the criteria, however. Such Clients can present with gender issues for all kinds of reasons other than GID, and they also see people present with problems which wind up being GID without any suspicion that gender is involved.

    (lay)People like to reference the Benjamin and Kinsey scales still because they're simple, plus they appeal to the spectrum concept. Also, these were classification systems, not diagnostic guides per se.
    Thank you Lea. I was just looking at the WPATH standards of care. They seem to be based on the Harry Benjamin research.

    Obviously this is not my field of expertise but I find all of this interesting and confusing at the same time. What I do see is a need for new scientific medical research on this.

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    WPATH was originally named the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association!
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    Based on everything I've read, I'm right in the middle of the TG spectrum: TG. And I'm a recovering male

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    I am what I am. A non transitioning transexual. I will not transition because of money and time I'm to old. I find it easy very easy to walk out my door crossdressed. It should be hard everyday to set foot outside dressed, but I don't do it everyday. So I will not transition, though hormones would work and not be as costly. Beginning to live alone is also on my side of the situation. Sex also comes into question and not being gay nor bisexual post a problem, it leaves only no sex with another woman or just no sex at all. I am not torn, I see this as a progression which must be carried though to end. Its called living. Life goes on. Till they put me in the ground.

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