How do you feel about women?

[Allison Quinn]

I find myself wondering what effect dressing like, presenting as or feeling inside yourself to be a woman has on your feelings about and views of women.

So my questions are

How do you think you see women differently now than you did before you had the experiences you now have(dressing, presenting to the public as female, transitioning etc)?

Can you think of a specific experience that changed your views on women or what their lives may be like?

How do you think you see women differently than cismales?

Is there something you admire more about women because of your experiences?

Do you consider yourself a feminist? and if so how much do you think that is because of your experiences as feminine/female?

1. The same really. Growing up I grew up with my mom and numerous sisters so I really always had a female's view on everything :P My parents were divorced and I did not really think there was much of a difference between genders and wahaha I was wrong there. When I started to get a bit closer to my dad I noticed differences between myself and him and really noticed the differences between my brother and I.

2. Not really, i've not had too many experiences yet. The ones i've had though include feeling like i'm being judged by people for what I wear which my girlfriend said is sort of what she feels like xD Like people stare at her for wearing shorts when it's hot outside which is annoying. and the way that guys treat girls is quite annoying o.e I play MMO's online and I can say guys treat me as a second hand individual even though they think I'm a genetic girl u.u and I am hit on all the time even though they all know i'm only interested in girls which is quite annoying. I've even been told the only reason I like girls is because i've not been blessed enough to be with a guy. I've been hit on a lot over omegle too which is less than nice :/ But I guess that means I sort of pass sometimes

3. I notice that I appreciate what girls do with beauty a lot more. The amount of effort that girls put into their appearance is astronomical, and it's rather fun.

4. admire? Hm their extra X chromosome

5. Yes, and I don't know I grew up with all girls and that has to of highly influenced my ideas, being transgendered probably influences it a lot too.
But yes I consider myself a feminist :P I'd advocate for the equal rights of all women, cis, trans, and of all sexual orientations alike.

[whowhatwhen]

One thing I've noticed about the relationship between CDs and women here is the feeling that all women need to be protected.
Protected from what? You ask.

Lots here at one point at least were really upset that TG people had sex at all, the general attitude was that it should be kept private and off the Internet.
You know, a SO could get the wrong idea you see...

It always bugged me how people were so ready to toss an entire group of people under the bus because their SO "may" find TG porn while searching for CD information.
Sure, their SO may get upset but he/she is a grown person and doesn't need to be protected from the realities of life and the Internet.

Things may have changed but I remember a few posts saying how bad it was to "pervert" being TG by being anything but asexual, or more likely anything but straight.

[ErinSassyPants]

Speaking from experiences w/ the wife. They want equality but "also" want the old school on how too be treated. Want the cake and eat it too, comes too mind. A woman that wants equal rights will go out there and mingle w/ men in a manner that "she's equal and not subservient" but wants to be cuddled, caressed, admired, and "treated like a Lady". If you want too be treated like a Lady, then act like one.

I am extremely offended by this. You chose a woman who was willing to enter into a conservative tradtional religious based marriage. That's totally fine. But don't take what you percieve your wife to want/need or do to be an indication of what "women" want, need, think or do. It just does not apply. Just as I should not assume that what I want, need, think or do is what all women want.

Victoria you chose someone for exactly the qualities that you are talking about, it seems disingenuous to disdain her for them now.

It always bugged me how people were so ready to toss an entire group of people under the bus because their SO "may" find TG porn while searching for CD information.
Sure, their SO may get upset but he/she is a grown person and doesn't need to be protected from the realities of life and the Internet.

Things may have changed but I remember a few posts saying how bad it was to "pervert" being TG by being anything but asexual, or more likely anything but straight.

REALLY?!? Is that why this forum is soooooo bizarrely asexual even while talking about sexuality and sexual activity? I'm finding many wonderful people and discussions here but that strange disconnect between everything here and anything sexual makes me feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I'm used to forums where adults have normal discussions, here it feels like there are holes where the natural references to sex would be.

[whowhatwhen]

There is a fine line because a lot of times people would join and talk descriptively all of their sexploits so the mods keep the TMI level down.
Not that that's a bad thing, but for some the existence of sexually active (especially gay sex) is enough to get upset at.

ie.
I had sex with a guy once and it was awesome. - Perfectly okay
And then I took his xxxx and put it in my xxxx until xxxx xxx xxxxx. - The forum isn't supposed to be that explicit.

I'm not railing against the forum in general but you will find a fairly heavy conservative air here.
Hell, I'm the friggin virgin here I should be the one spazzing out about sex.

:P

[Leona]

I am extremely offended by this. You chose a woman who was willing to enter into a conservative tradtional religious based marriage. That's totally fine. But don't take what you percieve your wife to want/need or do to be an indication of what "women" want, need, think or do. It just does not apply. Just as I should not assume that what I want, need, think or do is what all women want.

I have encountered many women that lean a bit to the right politically that want to "have their cake and eat it, too", as Victoria is suggesting. The basic premise is that they want equal voices in politics, equal pay, and still expect men to pay for dates. This is excluding specifically the far right, where women don't get rights per se, and there are many women who are on the far right.

Personally, if you're not willing to go back to back with me in a barroom brawl (not that I've been in any, mind you), then you're not my equal, period. You don't get excused by being a woman. Likewise, if you, as a woman, think you can slap me and not get any sort of physical response back, then you need to turn in your voter's registration card. I'm not a violent person, mind you, but I expect to have the right to self-defense regardless of what sex my opponent is. That's one of the things that equality means to me.

REALLY?!? Is that why this forum is soooooo bizarrely asexual even while talking about sexuality and sexual activity? I'm finding many wonderful people and discussions here but that strange disconnect between everything here and anything sexual makes me feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I'm used to forums where adults have normal discussions, here it feels like there are holes where the natural references to sex would be.

I find that odd, too. I drop my references anyway and see which ones get moderated. I don't think I've had any moderated yet.

[flatlander_48]

If anything, crossdressing has made me a bit more sensitive to women's equality issues. I was before, but somewhat more so now. Underneath it all, how can I expect someone to be sensitive to my issues if I am not sensitive to theirs?

[kathtx]

Personally, if you're not willing to go back to back with me in a barroom brawl (not that I've been in any, mind you), then you're not my equal, period.

Well, most women I know wouldn't hesitate to go back-to-back with me in a brawl. Probably most of the women in your life would too. Do you think for a minute your mom or your elderly grandma wouldn't have your back in a tight spot? Even if they knew they'd go down fast, they'd go down swinging and kicking. If you *started* the brawl, your mom would then kick your butt for being stupid enough to start a bar fight.

But why is it that when we talk about equality, we always use examples like brawls that highlight males' physical strengths? Why not "if you can tread water for 24 hours" or "if you can run 40 miles to go for help", not to mention "if you can go through ten hours of labor"? There plenty of physical tasks at which women outperform men. I can outrun my wife easily for short distances and lift much more weight than she can, but she can run or swim distances that would send a typical guy to the emergency room.
Both quick bursts of strength and long-term endurance are mighty useful in real life (and in bar fights), especially when combined with determination and a protective instinct.

[Leona]

For me, I use physical conflict as a standard of equalization because the sexist notion that "boys don't hit girls" plays into it. I'm not a fan of anybody hitting anybody, mind you. I'm also well aware that your average woman has bone-breaking strength in her body, and is therefore reasonably equal in an average physical confrontation. Maybe the man has an advantage, but by highlitghting that, we ignore that the woman has capabilities as well.

To answer you other question, most, if not all, of the women in my life will have my back in a fight. The only one who gets a pass is the one who's fighting cancer and breaks ribs by sneezing. She'd get the pass even if she were a man, considering her condition.

[MysticLady]

Victoria you chose someone for exactly the qualities that you are talking about, it seems disingenuous to disdain her for them now.

She is very worthy and is not inferior too me, just her ideology is, and that's not part of her Faith, that is her choice.

Hell, I'm the friggin virgin here I should be the one spazzing out about sex.
:P

Ok Corrine, relax, take a chill pill. have some Chinese tea or something

I have encountered many women that lean a bit to the right politically that want to "have their cake and eat it, too", as Victoria is suggesting. The basic premise is that they want equal voices in politics, equal pay, and still expect men to pay for dates. This is excluding specifically the far right, where women don't get rights per se, and there are many women who are on the far right.

Personally, if you're not willing to go back to back with me in a barroom brawl (not that I've been in any, mind you), then you're not my equal, period. You don't get excused by being a woman. Likewise, if you, as a woman, think you can slap me and not get any sort of physical response back, then you need to turn in your voter's registration card. I'm not a violent person, mind you, but I expect to have the right to self-defense regardless of what sex my opponent is. That's one of the things that equality means to me.

Very Nice Response.

Well, most women I know wouldn't hesitate to go back-to-back with me in a brawl. Probably most of the women in your life would too. Do you think for a minute your mom or your elderly grandma wouldn't have your back in a tight spot? Even if they knew they'd go down fast, they'd go down swinging and kicking.

I must agree. Mom and Grammy busted me up a few times growing up. Don't mess with them. They'll punch your lights out

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[Seana Summer]

This probably wont answer your question but my views on gender are, in a nut shell, like this - I think that everyone is an individual no matter what is, or is not, in their pants. Maybe that is because I crossdress, but maybe not.

You are what you are, enjoy and make the most of the hand you've been dealt. You are lucky if you were born female, you are lucky if you were born male. You are especially lucky if you can experience and express all the best of both! It is also my opinion that you have an obligation to not express the worst of GGs or GMs. I have had very abusive GGs in my life until a few years ago. No one should be abused physically, mentally or otherwise regardless if its a lump or a dip down your pants! (or in my case at the moment, up my skirt)

[whowhatwhen]

Ok Corrine, relax, take a chill pill. have some Chinese tea or something

I'll have a nice, hot bath before bed then.


It just seems so odd that I would even have to post things along the lines of "it's okay to have same-sex sex" but it's happened.
Usually the bitter virgin is the one whose supposed to be doing the anti-sex bitching :P