Probably not TG. I'm not transitioning. I would be considered TF - transvestic fetishist. But there were times in my life that I felt that I should have been or wanted to be female.
Probably not TG. I'm not transitioning. I would be considered TF - transvestic fetishist. But there were times in my life that I felt that I should have been or wanted to be female.
"You're the only one to see the changes you take yourself through", Stevie Wonder
I consider myself as a man that just likes to wear what I want. I do lean toward feminine attire. Its more comfortable to me. Daviolin
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A CD AND HIS WARDROBE, ITS A BEAUTIFUL THING.
Only recently have I considered that I might be transgendered. I have always liked women's clothes, especially the underwear and considered myself a crossdresser. I sometimes think I would like to live at least part of my life as a woman (won't happen). Accepting that I might be transgendered actually gives some relief or legitimacy to how I feel. Telling someone that I am a crossdresser would be difficult but telling an SA that I am transgendered might be easier.
BTW, I have shopped both in male mode and female mode obviously shopping for myself without actually saying the word "crossdresser".
Here's my whole problem with signing up to a label. The label includes a huge range of variation. If someone says they are part of a group, then people who know almost nothing about that group will pick out certain items and use it to define you. For that reason, I don't claim to be part of any group, instead I just do the things I enjoy. I don't concern myself too much with fitting in and if you resist the urge to explain yourself people are forced to define you by only what they have experienced.
Chickie
JTOR, this is your response to Allie's post (#2), and I agree with Allie entirely. I don't see the point of a discussion that allows contributors to define, in this case, "transgender" any way they want. Without some agreement on what words mean, there is nothing communicated of any value. I don't see why people move away from words they don't like, even though they are perfectly good words with generally commonly accepted definitions by folks in the word business (Webster, et al).Originally Posted by JiveTurkeyOnRye
I see myself as a pineapple, which falls under the transgender umbrella, in my mind anyway, and that's all that matters.
I like to present as female - wig, make up, the whole works. When presenting as female I want to be treated as female. I also "push the limits" when dressed as a man: long nails, plucked eye brows, mascara, jewelry... I think all this together makes me transgendered.
Mina Lost aka Lynda
Ive researched this b4, No I don't consider my self transgender. (Not to be full of my self) even thou I think I make a pretty good CD I don't wanna do it forever or 24-7. I have so much success as a man, (hot gf and son) I just dont wanna ruin that. Although I do wonder about how much success I would of had if I dicovered all this as a teen. But all in all ....no. I get turned on too much when look in the mirror for it to be transgender. I don't think all of you get turned everytime you do it. I think some of us just feel more comfortable in the wardrobe and role, rather than it to be a just a sexual thing. After I (personally) *** I don't wanna be dressed or anything. It back to being a real boy.
I do not consider myself transgendered no, I am a man and that I know but the part of me that loves the female style is just a part of my maleness I guess is how I see it. I would love to say if I really made the full our effort to look like a women I might pass but I can live with blending. I came up with my term and it's I'm cross gendered. I love and enjoy both sides of my style.
As an individual that occasionally and/or partly crosses gender boundaries preset by society, I consider myself transgender. Why I cross those gender boundaries isn't really relevant. I do not think that I have a severe case of biological sex/gender identity misalignment.
Gee J, reading thru your text was a Magical Mystery Tour. Bur one that was... delightful.
What I think? What I wanna impart to you?
Be yourself. Dont worry. Live your long Life. Be honest. You SHALL find happiness. Dont worry about us screwed up twisted girl-guys. You carry the Future with You girl!
Amen.
Yeah duh. And there's nothing wrong with that! (trans lezzie I mean)
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This opinion is only for how I feel as it relates to myself and myself only. As it relates to everyone else, I have only have two labels - generally nice people and jacka$$es. The easy part is that in these 2 categories they are both presented independently of sex, age, religion, gender identity, ethnicity or education
No, I don't really. I still attracted to girls and (beautiful) gurls.
As it was described to me by a gender specialist, I would classify myself as being TG. I am a mix of typical male and female, both in physical and emotional actions, reactions and desires. In Overall, I consider myself to be a man. I am not seeking to change this in any way. I am not seeking any permanent feminine modifications to my appearance. I feel equally comfortable in mens and womens clothing. I like to wear womens clothing as it feels like part of who I am, and it reflects my feminine side. I see certain women and I wish that I could look like they do. I see certain men and wish I could look like they do too. When in clothing stores, both mens and womens sections get my interest. Cross dressing is what I do, being TG is what I am.
Chickens should be allowed to cross the road without having their motives questioned
After lots of arguments with people here over the years () I've come to believe that there truly are "crossdressers" who fully identify as men. These are the people who put on articles of women's clothing for thrills perhaps, only to take them off when done. They identify as a man who does not present as a woman but who instead occasionally just puts on a few articles of women's clothing: a crossdresser.
The members who DO identify as men yet who present fully as women with wigs, forms, makeup, etc, engage in what I call cross-gender expression, which in my view makes them cross-genderists. They do fully present in a gender that is opposite (cross) the gender they identify as.
And then there are people like you, who dress a certain way all the time because this is who they are (all the time). I take it that you still prefer to present as a genetic male whose preference it is to wear feminine articles of clothing? They used to call people like you genderqueer which I took it meant people who cross the gender barriers on a permanent basis. The genderqueer designation might have been appropriate in the past when the general population might have been more shocked by seeing a guy in a skirt, but I think this is now passé. There is such freedom of expression today that I no longer believe it is shocking to see a male who wears a skirt that could be defined as a man-skirt (not too feminine looking). So I guess the designation 'transgender' fits you, since your mode of presentation is not something that you keep private nor do you switch back and forth in secret. Nor do you identify as "a woman" when you have a skirt on.
So I guess it all boils down to intention and individual gender identity. Is the goal to deliberately include softer fashions in one's permanent and regular attire, as a statement that says that one identifies as a gender that is not fully one or the other, male or female? Then the person is outside the gender binary and is transgender. Other words that fit are gender fluid, bigender (maybe), gender non-conformist, gender variant, etc. Is the goal to put on feminine clothes just sometimes and in secret from a significant amount of people in the person's life, while still identifying and presenting as a male? Then the person is a crossdresser. Is the goal to occasionally present fully as a woman for other reasons than thrills, while still identifying as a male? Then the person is a cross-genderist. Is the goal to live fully as a woman 100% of the time yet still identify as a male? Then I have no idea.
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Reine
I feel that there shouldn't be words describing folks. By this I mean I enjoy wearing and dressing up sometimes to the top. Sometimes I want heavy makeup sometimes just hose and heels, I am a man and will never change that fact. A man the enjoys the feel of a silky dress, silky hose, and sometimes my forms bouncing or just a pair of panties underneath. I also enjoy manly things from hunting to beautiful sunsets, many GGs enjoy those also and we don't try and reclassify them. Why not just be yourself and each enjoy the depth that each wants to pursue in their interests. I play a guitar and am happy in the level I play. I don't call myself a guitarist, because I feel to be a guitarist I must be a great guitar picker, now to the no guitar player I might be a guitarist. My point here is where and who has the authority to put a meaning on any one else. We can't even figure out what we are because every one takes it to different depths. Wether picking a guitar or dressing. What determines a gender change except maybe a surgery and still you could be considered a crossdresser in a TG body. Just be yourself, seek your own level, and be happy at the level you feel you need to obtain to make you happy. If you don't please yourself inside, then you won't please others outside. I hate this term will I pass? If I choose to wear cowboy boots and wrangler jeans with a blouse and red lips, then that's what I am going to do. I really don't care what others think. Out of respect though for my family I won't go out dressed as such. Another factor comes into play and that's love and respect for the ones I care about. I hate labels and always have. Be yourself the majority of your life on earth and you'll die a happy person. Sorry for the rant..... Lol
I consider myself transgendered. I believe that umbrella covers most of us. However, I also acknowledge that it is more than clothes for me. I am more at peace when being treated as a female. I do have the need to interact with the world as a woman. So I respect those who adamantly proclaim they are just men in dresses I just don't fit into that category. I want to be totally honest and accepting of who I am. I am someone who was born biologically male but would have preferred to be a woman. There I said it!
Suzanne
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I do agree that the term transgender has been turned mostly by the media to mean someone who is dressing and living entirely as the opposite gender they were born as. I live and dress 95% of the time as the gender I was born as. That number might be different today by a little if I had come to terms with this much earlier, but still I would regard myself as TG, simply because of how I do dress at times and how I feel, which is at times more aligned with the way women feel.
Chickens should be allowed to cross the road without having their motives questioned
Yes I do, this site has help me come to this, but was not the cause, this site is not a carrier, does not cause one to be a crossdresser or transgender just helps one fine there way.
I dont have a problem with having a label. If society wants to call me a transgender or a crossdresser or just plain wierd. I will wear that label. My problem is that those labels come with negative conotations and are not accepted by society. I don't know what I am. I know I am not a rough and tough boy that just doesn't care about his hair or nails and i know I am not a female.....who really would want to have a period or hot flashes. I do know that i like to wear female clothes and be treated like a female. I know I like to shoot guns, get dirty, work on trucks and occasionally spit tobacco. I know I like to dress up in a formal dress in really high heels and have a man treat me like a girl. I know I like the feel of a breast wether it is mine or another females. I will be who I am and be myself. I wish I could be myself to society but that will never happen.
I think labels can be good provided they are open and all-inclusive. When people try to divide and conquer by labels, they are less effective!
So with that in mind, I support the transgender label.
I do see the point in it, because the most interesting part of this discussion so far for me has specifically been seeing how many different versions of what transgender means there are, even here on this forum which is dedicated to a form of dress that expresses gender variation. I wasn't really interested in telling everyone how I define transgender and then asking them if they fit my label, I was curious how they define themselves, and how they define transgender.
Reine I've reduced a lot of what you wrote for simplicity's sake, but I'm really responding to all of it. I'm quoting the above lines though because I believe this describes how I feel and how I identify more accurately than the way you described me in the previous paragraph, which was closer to how I phrased it when first coming out for lack of a better way to say it at the time. I think genderfluid is the term that best sums up my viewpoint. It's not that I actively want to present a male image in my skirts and dresses, and it's not that I don't identify as a woman because I frequently do. It's that mentally I do feel I shift from man to woman and points in between, that my gender isn't a fixed point on the spectrum but rather a fluid one. It's just that for me the accoutrements of dressing to pass don't really do anything for my dysphoria. I said something on my blog recently about it that when I get myself all made up and feminine without trying to "pass," I get really happy when I catch myself in the mirror and for even a second feel like I see a girl there, but when I do the full on en femme thing and I see myself in the mirror and I see the "boy" just forcing his way through, it really bums me out.
As far as everyone who doesn't like labels, that's a whole other discussion. I do notice that a lot of you who say you don't like labels actually used labels in your own responses and probably don't even realize it because many of the things that we just take for granted in language are actually labels and boxes. For me it is important to define myself as transgender and to keep awareness growing that transgender is an umbrella term, and that it does include more non-binary identities, because there has been a slow push towards issues involving human rights with transgender people and I have noticed the occasional erasure of identities outside of a select known few. Personally I'd rather be on the bus than thrown under it.
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I have no problem with the transgender label. I mean if there weren't words to describe things or ideas on our planet we wouldn't be able to communicate at all. Its just a big umbrella term that encompasses many other more descriptive specific terms. Many use the term improperly. That's true for many, many words in our language. Nothing new there. Where under the big umbrella, transgender label I am, I haven't figured out as of yet.
Transgender? most definatly...
You can't fly with the eagles if you sleep with the pigeons.
Yes, I'm definitely transgender.
I think a lot of confusion comes with what the word transgender means. Whenever the media uses it, they're referring to someone who's transsexual, so commonly TG = TS. The umbrella term transgender includes all forms of gender-deviant behavior, including:
* a person who identifies as one gender but was born in the body of the other (transsexual)
* a person who identifies as somewhere in between male and female, and may switch between male and female presentations (dual gender)
* a person who identifies as androgynous or gender non-conforming (bigender, androgynous, genderqueer)
* a person who identifies as a gender other than male or female (third gender)
* a person who identifies as gender-less
* all cross-dressers
* all of the above may include MTF or FTM
Therefore TG not = TS, but rather TG includes TS
TG = {TS, DG, BG, GNC, GQ, AG, 3G, AG, CD, MTF, FTM}
or TG = {all of the above}
Confusion over what the term transgender means may influence whether or not we identify as transgender.
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I fall into the group that feels they are in a duality. The best description is probably bi-gendered, which I see as a subset of being transgendered. I know most are not in this situation, but there really seems to be two sides of me, one masculine and one feminine, and they enjoy their separate worlds. The best part is that my wife completely understands and might even be said to prefer my little form of transgenderism
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