I have been wondering if a lesbian would be more supportive of crossdressing than a gg?
I have been wondering if a lesbian would be more supportive of crossdressing than a gg?
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Well lesbians are GG's so I don't think there would be a difference.
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If you're talking hetero female vs lesbian, it's a legit question. A hetero female is sexually attracted to men, and a lesbian is sexually attracted to women. A cross dresser (not transsexual) presents as a woman (yay for lesbians) and is usually a hetero male (yay for hetero women!). So the attraction factor swaps from lesbian to hetero woman when the CDer clothes come off and the boy parts are apparent.
Then again, when you say supportive, I think that the lesbians might have a slight edge on average due to CDing being considered an alternate lifestyle/expression thing.
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I dunno. I've felt chilly glares while dressed in NYC lesbian bars, even when with a GG couple, haven't tested it enough times to know if it is customary. However, once when I came out to a lesbian colleague, she explained that to her CD looked like just another load of man bullshit and she was lifetime done with that.
that's pretty closed-minded / out of it... jeez!Originally Posted by Jackie7
We are always talking about how Gender and Sexuality are separate things
I don't see why this would would be any different when it comes to acceptance from GG
It has been my experience over the past 40+ years that those who identify as lesbian do not care for those who identify as CD. This is in no way a scientific fact or anything. I have known many who identify as lesbian over the years. Some do, most don't.
There was a case four or five years ago in Washington DC where a group of lesbians beat up two transgendered individuals. I believe FtM. In my experience lesbians really don't like men, whether a CD or not. However, you mileage may vary.
Well, lesbians are GGs too. You mean lesbian GGs vs. hetero GGs.
And no, lesbian GGs are not more supportive. There are quite a few lesbians who feel that CDers appropriate women's roles in order to infiltrate womanhood so to speak, and they don't like it. The non-militant lesbians might not feel as outraged, but I'm sure that among them you'll find an equal amount of disinterestedness, tolerance, or patient amusement as you would among hetero GGs.
Last, if you're looking for a romantic relationship, no lesbian will be interested. They're into women and not male-bodied individuals who engage in cross-gender expression.
Sorry to be so harsh, but really your best chances for a romantic relationship if this is what you're looking for, is among open-minded hetero GGs.
Reine
I think lesbians are more accepting of a transsexual than a crossdresser. My own experience has been nothing but positive acceptance from lesbians I've socialised with, whether they encounter myself or crossdressers at the same venue. However, when you get down to it their sexual interest is definitely in the direction of girl's bodies.
It a curious question. Supportive could mean a lot of different things...it could be welcoming, understanding, accepting, encouraging, empathetic, and maybe a dozen other things, but all presumably positive. In the absence of a clearer meaning and the ability to take a reliable sampling of straight and gay women's attitudes towards CDrs all you get is speculation.
I'll offer my own experience. I have met and conversed with many lesbian and of course quite a few straight women as well. I have been received very positively by the lesbian women I have met. I'd use all of those terms I listed above to describe their reactions to me. I have NEVER encountered a lesbian who gave any indication that she saw me in a bad light. But the same seems to be true for the women I have met. So, maybe it says something about the places I go, the women I meet or something about me and the way I present. Who knows.
Generalizations don't matter. What matters is how you relate to the women and men that you encounter.
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I don't understand your Q. The last time I checked, ALL lesbians are Humans. Just like CDers of every variety. Every last one of them unique. No sense lumping them into one basket - one size fits all - is there?
So, my best guess is that some would and some would not. I think the only way to know for sure would be to ask them but even then they might not tell you the truth.
After reading thousands of questions here and tens of thousands of responses, it's pretty obvious. There IS no accounting for just who will accept.
It will always be a roll of the dice and nothing more.
Thanks so much for the feedback. I am 59 year old cd who came out to my wife several years ago. The thought of me dressed makes her sick (her words) and so I'm way back in the closet. I was curious as to what type of women are more supportive for we cd's.
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Carla Renae
Some things missing here: why wouldn't lesbians have the same biases as everyone else?
Not necessarily. I think it depends a lot on the individual person. Although I've found that gay gals in general like me when I'm at the club.
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Why would a lesbian not be a GG?
Other than that,from personal experience, of those who were interested in me in a romantic way, 3 are bi, one a lesbian, and my current is neither, but tolerant.
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Good points, Reine, and I would go so far as to suggest that of all the sub-groups of GG's mentioned in this thread, the ones who typically identify as bi- would be the most likely to be fully at ease with - if not actually turned on by - the thought of being involved in both a romantic and sexual relationship with a CDer...
the best girl to accept your crossdressing is one who is really into you, open-minded helps. The rest is up to you and how much you accept yourself. If you can help her get her rocks off really well and then attribute it to the crossdressing part of you that probably wouldn't hurt either.
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Leslie, in your above quote you write:
"I would go so far as to suggest that of all the sub-groups of GG's mentioned in this thread, the ones who typically identify as bi- would be the most likely to be fully at ease with - if not actually turned on by - the thought of being involved in both a romantic and sexual relationship with a CDer..."
Not necessarily. A person's sexual orientation has nothing to do with their tolerance for gender variance. I have a bi GG friend who is intolerant of cross-gender expression. She likes her men to be men and her women to be women. This isn't just a "would-be" bi-woman nor a "bi-curious" woman, nor is she a hetero GG who is in a relationship with a CDer and who calls herself bi. lol. She has been in real relationships with both sexes. Honestly, I think the idea that bi-women are more accepting than hetero women is a CDer fantasy. Besides, what's the percentage of bi-women to hetero women ... 3-5%? There are, on the other hand, many hetero GGs who do accept (to varying degrees) cross-gender expression in their partners:
http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/...=supportive+so
... and this is just a tip of the iceberg.
So to recap, I believe that if 40% of hetero GGs will not run away from the CDing, then 40% of bi-women (albeit a much lower percentage overall) will not run away either.
Open minded women who do not hold strong, traditional viewpoints, and who are given time to get used to the idea.
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Reine
I think you should look for Bi GGs. What could be better. They would get a boy and a girl in the same package.
Hi, I'm Steffi and I'm a crossdresser... And I accept and celebrate both sides of me. Or, maybe I'm gender fluid.
When my partner and I briefly broke up, I tried to date one lesbian. She loved the way I looked but she could not get over the fact that I was trans and still had my male parts. She said "I just don't know what to do with you." Another one I actually dated was kind of a "bull dyke" type as they say. She was 6 feet and very aggressive. She loved me and wanted to continue. It did not bother her at all it seemed. I really was not looking for that type though so it didn't work for me. I just think the overall population of lesbians just don't know how to react to us. I never got hit on at a lesbian bar even looking my hottest. So, its mixed but I think it skews to the non-interest side pretty heavily.
Also I agree with the Bi-girl thing. My best friend has exactly this and is married with a kid. All came after transition. Even girls with Bi leanings are a very good fit so I hear from others.
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I can't believe we're actually having this discussion….people are individuals with whatever prejudices and preconceptions they have acquired, whether straight, gay, bi; I don't like making a (artificial) distinction between the feelings of lesbian GG's vs Hetero gg's
It's been pointed out that lesbians are GGs.
That said, they are all individuals with their own thoughts on crossdressing and everything else.
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