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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisi View Post
    Anybody can make up statistics to bolster their particular point of view.
    To quote Homer Simpson, "People can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of all people know that."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teresa View Post
    ... I see it from this perspective; if you are in a group of people you won't be the only one wondering if someone is going to notice your bra straps !
    I absolutely LOVE this insight Teresa - excellent observation! Thanks, Nancy

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    I never would have guessed those numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbay06 View Post
    That means that possibly 1 of every 20 men have the desire to crossdress and do so publicly or privately.
    If one out of 20 men crossdress, they do it privately or if they go out, they go to LGBT bars although my SO and I have been to many LGBT bars and usually my SO and the Drag Queens are the only MtFs there unless we've gone with members of the gender group. And if you sit at a busy spot in a crowded mall or a busy tourist attraction and observe the hundreds upon hundreds of passers-by, you will be lucky to see one crossdresser all day. But, do 5% enjoy dressing privately with no desire to go out? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbay06 View Post
    So, I read a surprising statistic based off of a gender study done in Australia. The statistic said that between 2% to 5% of all men crossdress. That means that possibly 1 of every 20 men have the desire to crossdress and do so publicly or privately. I just found this statistic quite eye opening and sort of comforting in a weird way. It also made me feel a bit discouraged that society doesn't readily accept something that so many men struggle with, that so many men think is a problem which needs to be fixed. I wish I could rally every guy I know and see if any of them are in the same boat as me and then validate in them that their desires to express and to look a certain way transcend the societal pressures and gender roles that are pushed on us daily. Our biology doesn't dictate our fashion choices or our hobbies. I am happy that so many gender topics are being discussed publicly though (despite all the rash talk and decisions being made). It shows me that societal change is possible and that people are starting to realize gender isn't as black and white as they thought.
    Totally agree with you, we should be able to express our desires without worrying about society, yet society can be very cruel.
    Thanks for the great topic.

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    Bottom of our forum, right now: "There are currently 209 users online. 25 members and 184 guests"

    this says to me, that there are 7-8 times more people in the closet than even get to join this forum. If this forum has 80% of CD who stay in the closet - debtable - and if only 5-10 % of us actually CD in malls then there are by definition 200 times more CD'ers than you get to see in the malls. This might help explain the rarity of emperor's wearing new clothes in public :-) It's not that we're only hypothetical, it's human sheep in action, flocking to be safe.

    There could be many times more cd'ers out there who don't even dare look to see if this forum exists.

    There could also be many more people in denial or disconnected from such desires, or who never thought of it but would love it.

    We might even be the majority, IF only we were not in the closet!
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    It's an interesting statistic and doesn't actually have good support in the paper you cite. That paper is about calculating the prevalence of transsexualism, not crossdressing and only uses crossdressing as a "sanity check" for the TS numbers it comes up with. It says in part:

    In the United States there are varying estimates of the prevalence of crossdressing. Most conservative estimates are in the range of 2% to 5% of all adult males engage in routine crossdressing (1:50 to 1:20). These are people who crossdress part-time either privately at home, or in private CD clubs, and who find great satisfaction in this practice. In a majority of these cases there is mainly a male fetishistic motivation for the crossdressing. However, in a moderate fraction (1/3rd?) it mainly provides an outlet for mild to moderate to strong transgender feelings.
    It does not say where those "conservative estimates" come from nor how many such estimates are out there. To me, if I look at a statistic I do know, say the prevalence of motorcycle licenses in the US (2.5%) and compare my experience of meeting motorcyclists versus my experience of meeting other crossdressers I get the sense that these numbers are not at all similar. Also, if you look at that political clout of motorcyclists have compared to crossdressers, I start thinking that if one person in 20 had the habit, we'd live in a friendlier political climate. So unless the source of the conservative estimates is identified, I find myself unwilling to accept that number which is about an order of magnitude higher than numbers coming from The Williams Institute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamela7 View Post
    Bottom of our forum, right now: "There are currently 209 users online. 25 members and 184 guests"

    this says to me, that there are 7-8 times more people in the closet than even get to join this forum.
    Or people log off and keep the browser window open, or wives/girlfriends are reading the forum without bothering to register. Plus there are web crawlers. Not every visitor is a closeted CDer.
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    In 2015 there was a transgender survey done in the USA, I am awaiting those results to come back, have no idea how soon they will be available..

    I also know whatever data comes back will still have a margin of error, but I think that margin of error will put to rest some of the crazy estimates tossed around over the years.

    I am betting that the survey will lye somewhere in the 2 percent or slightly higher range (wild guess on my part). If you took the survey you will remember it was much more than measuring CD's

    So when you throw in all the labels under the T umbrella, I will not be surprised to see a fairly good number come back from the survey.

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    Good point Reine. Of course, don't forget that a large portion of the lurker population may be voyuers. It is certainly true of s**m*** porn sites. Those must have huge otherwise straight followings.

    Now I want to know why nobody ever asked if I was a CD? Well other than when I'm at support group. Or here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbay06 View Post
    This post was not meant to start an argument as to the number of crossdressers out there. I just though it was interesting and thought it could encourage those who are feeling like me: isolated. I am an analytical. So having a statistic, even if it's more based on speculation, is comforting to me.
    Hi, sbay06, and welcome to the forum. I, for one, appreciate your analytical bent and long, dense posts. I sometimes get into considerable length as well and sometimes wonder if others find it burdensome or tiresome to wade through them or think that hard about it. I think those among us with well-developed analytically oriented educations (mine is law) tend toward the habitual search for answers to such things as "how many", "how", "how often", and, most compelling, "why". We like to elaborate our queries and hypotheses and tentative conclusions. A bit of quantification is indeed comforting. Thanks, and keep it coming. You won't feel isolated for long here...

    BTW, the low-single-digit percentage estimate pretty much matches up with various estimates over the years, such as those compiled in a book I just finished recently: Today's Transgender Realities: Crossdressing in Context (G.G. Bolich, Psyche's Press 2007). Also can be a dense read here and there, but a lot of interesting (and comforting) info in there. It's the second in a five-volume series.
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    I think that the number should be a lot higher then that. I think that a lot of men who do dress are not telling the truth about doing it.
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