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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Kelly View Post
    I was going to say that that's a step in the right direction, but upon reflection it feels more sideways. If understand correctly, any restroom with more than one... fixture, is still gender specific. Yes?
    Yes. The reasoning for the ordinance was to accommodate the privacy of all concerned. It was in response to transgender persons trying to avoid confrontations with others. Washington State law does allow for any person to use the restrooms of which he or she identifies. That is not to say the law will protect someone all the time. Laying bloodied on the ground may have the aggressor subject to a hate crime, but, that is after the fact. Now at least there is no sign which appears to be exclusionary. Anyway, it was in response to the request of the transgender community. This also to the benefit of women too who may feel awkward using a restroom identified as "men's room."

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    Gov. Pritzker signed into Illinois state law the bill which requires all single occupancy restrooms to be designated as gender neutral and have signage to reflect gender neutral in a place of accommodation or a public building.

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    Surprised this thread is still going.
    All this time I have had no issues using the ladies room in Ky,Ind,Ohio and Tenn.

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    You're lucky! From news articles I've read some women go totally insane when encountering what they presume is a male in a "woman's" restroom, especially if mom is accompanied by a daughter. Just about all the single occupancy restrooms I have encountered are small and have locks for privacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie47 View Post
    You're lucky! From news articles I've read some women go totally insane when encountering what they presume is a male in a "woman's" restroom, especially if mom is accompanied by a daughter. Just about all the single occupancy restrooms I have encountered are small and have locks for privacy.
    Like Tracy, I have never had more than a second glance turned my way in the restroom, and even that is rare.

    We hear about incidents like that, but we never hear how they turn out. I believe that (if they actually happen), the vast majority end with the complainant being told to get over it or get gone. FWIW, I'm pretty sure that the oft-made claim that there has never been a successful prosecution of a transgendered person for using the appropriate restroom. That's because it's just not the issue that arm-flappers behind the bathroom bills would have us believe.
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    In one of my previous comments concerning my city (Tacoma) the ordinance was enacted at the request of the transgender community. There is certain logic to the request. If the signage for single occupancy restrooms is gender neutral, then there is no basis for anyone to question anyone using the facility. As to never hearing anything about issues arising, there are instances. There were protests at the libraries in King County, WA during "Drag Queen Story Hour." According to an attendee some of the protestors were "guarding" the women's restroom. With the anti transgender rhetoric coming from the top protestors are becoming emboldened.

    Anyway, making a restroom gender neutral eliminates anyone's claim on the territory.

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    No problems for me, but I get in, get it done, and get out.

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    I was at the library 6 months ago dressed and had to go. It was empty so i ran in there used it while the librarian called for me to come out by knocking on the door. When finished i cam out and they called the library police.
    Nothing happened and they said nothing to me.

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    I'm only just recently brave enough to attempt going into the women's bathrooms en femme. No wig, hair around the length of a pixie cut (although it's not cut as a pixie cut, it's a more traditionally masculine look), and a cloth mask covering from the nose to about half of my neck. (Yay for hiding stubble)

    Have only done this twice: once in Target (because I knew their policy) and once at the local mall. No trouble either time. But I'm still nervous about this and would like to know if there's an index somewhere of each state's bathroom laws and/or various companies' bathroom policies? (I live in Texas so... yeah...)
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    I have used the ladies toilets when fully dressed with no problems or second glances for years. That includes standing in queues outside . I wash my hands and touch up makeup in the mirror in crowded busy toilets no problems. I wouldn?t dare do so if I didn?t feel confident that I look like a woman. I?m concerned to see that in UK there are possible proposals to outlaw the use of the ladies toilets by anyone who is biologically a man. I hope this comes to nothing as I can?t possibly go into the gents toilets dolled up in my finest!

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    Cheshire girl, I can't see how any such law could be enforced. If one looks like a woman then the only ways to find out are through accurate facial recognition which requires expensive camera systems in the loos (and everyones face already on record) or if someone actually gets a look at your block and tackle while you are in there. There are plenty of GG's who don't look particularly womanly who would be offended if there gender came into question and, for the transgender community, it would open a can of worms in a supposedly very accepting nation where to be LGBTQ is almost becoming compulsary. I don't think any political party would even think of going there (at the moment).

    As a man I've always hated going into mens public toilets. I feel like a fairy going into a den of grunting ogres. I can almost smell the testosterone. Yuck.

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    Eventually, we're going to see "bathroom bills" viewed as the hate crime that they are. As I've heard Judge Fry put it, all the things that such laws purport to protect "our wives and daughters" against are already crimes under existing law. She also points out that there has never been a successful prosecution of a transgender person using the facilities corresponding to their gender identity. Never. Not one.

    So these laws are little more than a kind of straw man argument, designed to consolidate support from a fearful and naive group by presenting a threat that does not exist. If we did that on the basis of race, the outrage would be instant. I am just old enough to remember when that was not the case. I pray that I live long enough to see the same transformation of our society's norms when it comes to the LGBTQIA+ segment of that society. Recent events give me a great deal of hope.
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    That was scary And it can happen to any of us.

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    Without getting political, I do suspect that the election of a new POTUS will have a positive effect on our community and the way it's viewed.

    Hopefully some of the more draconian measures, such as those effecting military personnel will be rolled back. Time will tell no doubt.

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    Helen, a couple of things you mentioned will swing back to where there were 4 years ago, but a lot of the bathroom stuff and some of the marriage stuff is going to continue to be a fight. There is still a large portion of the population that is on the Uber conservative side, and aren't shy about trying to throw their weight around. Especially in certain States. Also keep in mind that the courts have been heavily stacked to support them. Not just the Supreme Court, but many lower courts as well. The right might grouse about this election, but they got what they really wanted over the last 4 years, which will be difficult to change for a long time barring some drastic measures.
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    The best thing we can do, the thing we must do, is to continue to provide facts. For example... There already are laws, in virtually every jurisdiction in this country, against the things "bathroom bills" are purported to prevent. There has never been a successful prosecution of a transgender person for using the restroom which corresponds to their gender identity.
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    MA is strange because it’s a True Blue state, it’s also the most Catholic state and many legislators are quite socially conservative and against abortion and also transgender.

    It was a concern for me because I was going out a lot and worried about - everything!. During a physical I told my primary care this was an issue for me and I was working through it with a counselor. He made a note of “gender disphoria” and while that first conversation was awkward, from a legal basis I’d become transgendered.

    As a practical matter, first clubs, then restaurants stores, and schools started breaking up their large single sex bathrooms into more, smaller ones. First they added “Family” bathrooms and then expsnded to small “Unisex” bathrooms. So worrying about where and how to pee became much less of an issue.

    Haven’t been out in a few years and no idea how Covid cleaning measures will change all this.

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    I sometimes contribute to this thread when I have a thought and I just had one..... As most if not all of y'all know, I live in the state of Mississippi. I'm not 100% sure on the bathroom laws here regarding transgenders or CD'ers, I'm sure it's the same just about everywhere, where you're allowed to use the public restroom corresponding to the gender you identify as.

    Now of course, I'm only a CD'er, I'm not transgender. But a while back, I posted in the forum with a question about using the restroom while out dressed and really, the replies I received were to go to use the ladies' room, act like a lady, walk like a lady, do my business, wash my hands and get out..... I have used the ladies' room while out dressed on more than one occasion and I have yet to have an issue.

    When I go into a ladies' room to do my business, that is ALL that I intend to do, then wash my hands and get out of the restroom, just as I would if I were in "male mode" and utilizing the men's room..... I have YET to have an issue, thank goodness. I think some women who have seen me in the ladies' room sort of questioned my gender, (only to themselves, based on the way they looked at me but didn't say anything) but I wouldn't chalk that up as a major issue. If I ever get arrested or questioned by authorities in any way, shape or form, I suppose I'll just tell them that I'm trans..... That would be a lie, but if it kept me out of jail, then so be it! LOL

    Anyway, just my two cents cause it seems like some of y'all are constantly over-analyzing this issue.
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    Just saw this thread so I wanted to add in my two cents. I live in upstate NY which is fairly liberal. I have used the ladies room many times with no problem. But I am nervous wondering if I will be caught. I don't think much would happen if I were but it would be a bit awkward. Luckily with a smaller frame I have an easier time passing but I am still careful.

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    Like many others I have not experienced any issues with using the female facilities. That being said I also just go to do my business, not lingering any longer that to wash my hands and take a quick look in the mirror. The ladies present for the most part never give me a second look, and those that have give me nothing more than a quick glance and a look over if for nothing more than curiosity or the womanly look they do when checking out the others appearance.

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    This may be a very bad year for hateful and ignorant anti-transgender bills in many states...
    https://www.hrc.org/resources/unprec...ender-american

    Twenty three of these bills specifically target the most vulnerable members of our community, transgender young people.
    Please, do what you can to prevent these reckless attempts to politicize something on which virtually all credible experts agree.
    Out of respect for the rules of this forum, let us not debate the politics of these issues here. If you have questions or suggestions, please PM or email, and I will do my best to assist.

    Thank you.

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