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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Kelly View Post
    I was going to say that that's a step in the right direction, but upon reflection it feels more sideways. If understand correctly, any restroom with more than one... fixture, is still gender specific. Yes?
    Yes. The reasoning for the ordinance was to accommodate the privacy of all concerned. It was in response to transgender persons trying to avoid confrontations with others. Washington State law does allow for any person to use the restrooms of which he or she identifies. That is not to say the law will protect someone all the time. Laying bloodied on the ground may have the aggressor subject to a hate crime, but, that is after the fact. Now at least there is no sign which appears to be exclusionary. Anyway, it was in response to the request of the transgender community. This also to the benefit of women too who may feel awkward using a restroom identified as "men's room."

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    Gov. Pritzker signed into Illinois state law the bill which requires all single occupancy restrooms to be designated as gender neutral and have signage to reflect gender neutral in a place of accommodation or a public building.

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    Surprised this thread is still going.
    All this time I have had no issues using the ladies room in Ky,Ind,Ohio and Tenn.

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    You're lucky! From news articles I've read some women go totally insane when encountering what they presume is a male in a "woman's" restroom, especially if mom is accompanied by a daughter. Just about all the single occupancy restrooms I have encountered are small and have locks for privacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie47 View Post
    You're lucky! From news articles I've read some women go totally insane when encountering what they presume is a male in a "woman's" restroom, especially if mom is accompanied by a daughter. Just about all the single occupancy restrooms I have encountered are small and have locks for privacy.
    Like Tracy, I have never had more than a second glance turned my way in the restroom, and even that is rare.

    We hear about incidents like that, but we never hear how they turn out. I believe that (if they actually happen), the vast majority end with the complainant being told to get over it or get gone. FWIW, I'm pretty sure that the oft-made claim that there has never been a successful prosecution of a transgendered person for using the appropriate restroom. That's because it's just not the issue that arm-flappers behind the bathroom bills would have us believe.
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    In one of my previous comments concerning my city (Tacoma) the ordinance was enacted at the request of the transgender community. There is certain logic to the request. If the signage for single occupancy restrooms is gender neutral, then there is no basis for anyone to question anyone using the facility. As to never hearing anything about issues arising, there are instances. There were protests at the libraries in King County, WA during "Drag Queen Story Hour." According to an attendee some of the protestors were "guarding" the women's restroom. With the anti transgender rhetoric coming from the top protestors are becoming emboldened.

    Anyway, making a restroom gender neutral eliminates anyone's claim on the territory.

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    No problems for me, but I get in, get it done, and get out.

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    I was at the library 6 months ago dressed and had to go. It was empty so i ran in there used it while the librarian called for me to come out by knocking on the door. When finished i cam out and they called the library police.
    Nothing happened and they said nothing to me.

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    I'm only just recently brave enough to attempt going into the women's bathrooms en femme. No wig, hair around the length of a pixie cut (although it's not cut as a pixie cut, it's a more traditionally masculine look), and a cloth mask covering from the nose to about half of my neck. (Yay for hiding stubble)

    Have only done this twice: once in Target (because I knew their policy) and once at the local mall. No trouble either time. But I'm still nervous about this and would like to know if there's an index somewhere of each state's bathroom laws and/or various companies' bathroom policies? (I live in Texas so... yeah...)
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    I have used the ladies toilets when fully dressed with no problems or second glances for years. That includes standing in queues outside . I wash my hands and touch up makeup in the mirror in crowded busy toilets no problems. I wouldn?t dare do so if I didn?t feel confident that I look like a woman. I?m concerned to see that in UK there are possible proposals to outlaw the use of the ladies toilets by anyone who is biologically a man. I hope this comes to nothing as I can?t possibly go into the gents toilets dolled up in my finest!

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    Cheshire girl, I can't see how any such law could be enforced. If one looks like a woman then the only ways to find out are through accurate facial recognition which requires expensive camera systems in the loos (and everyones face already on record) or if someone actually gets a look at your block and tackle while you are in there. There are plenty of GG's who don't look particularly womanly who would be offended if there gender came into question and, for the transgender community, it would open a can of worms in a supposedly very accepting nation where to be LGBTQ is almost becoming compulsary. I don't think any political party would even think of going there (at the moment).

    As a man I've always hated going into mens public toilets. I feel like a fairy going into a den of grunting ogres. I can almost smell the testosterone. Yuck.

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    Eventually, we're going to see "bathroom bills" viewed as the hate crime that they are. As I've heard Judge Fry put it, all the things that such laws purport to protect "our wives and daughters" against are already crimes under existing law. She also points out that there has never been a successful prosecution of a transgender person using the facilities corresponding to their gender identity. Never. Not one.

    So these laws are little more than a kind of straw man argument, designed to consolidate support from a fearful and naive group by presenting a threat that does not exist. If we did that on the basis of race, the outrage would be instant. I am just old enough to remember when that was not the case. I pray that I live long enough to see the same transformation of our society's norms when it comes to the LGBTQIA+ segment of that society. Recent events give me a great deal of hope.
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