Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 89

Thread: When did GG start becoming an offensive term ?

  1. #1
    Aspiring Artist Kelly DeWinter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Wherever there is a Sale or Macys, but mostly Baltimore MD
    Posts
    3,283

    Question When did GG start becoming an offensive term ?

    Facebook for good or bad is a place where people can post whatever they want, with hardly any moderation at all, so a thread can quickly spiral out of control (Big Kudos to our moderators here).

    My Friends list contains people within the CD/TG community, non TG/CD people and people withing the G/L community. During one conversation the term GG was used by me as well as various other people. Some women of the non CD/TG persuasion took offense to the term GG and 2 stated that GG was a derogatory term that the TG community throws around to demean women. I've never felt that way. Is this something that is becoming an issue ?

    I know that over the past few years it seems that terms mean different things to different people. It's so easy to offend someone.

    How is it possible to carry on a conversation if language is the real problem ?

    Also I was called a 'fish' and a 'brick' . What does that even mean ?
    Kelly DeWinter
    Find Kelly at:
    Kelly's Blog
    Flicker
    [COLOR=#2e8b57

  2. #2
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    2,047
    Maybe just refer to them as women

  3. #3
    Gold Member Jaylyn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    7,451
    It's getting to where no matter what one posts it will offend someone somewhere. What would they say if you just wrote it out " Genetic Girl"? I sometimes can't keep up with all the terminology these days.

  4. #4
    Gold Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    6,898
    I have a gay friend that finds cisgender offensive. Terminology can be a funny thing.

    I know one meaning of fish is a drag queen with a very feminine presentation.

    I agree with Arbon. Using genetic probably feels like you are separating them. It is understandable in our environment here to delineate, but in the larger world, you may get a WTF for expanding the term used for women.

  5. #5
    GG ReineD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Samsara
    Posts
    21,116
    It's because women don't enjoy being referred to as "girls". We're not little girls. (GG = genetic girl)

    Men don't like being referred to as "boys"?

    I agree with Arbon, just refer to them as women. Or if you want to refer specifically to people who have XX chromosomes, "natal female" or "genetic female".

    Edit
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly DeWinter View Post
    How is it possible to carry on a conversation if language is the real problem ?
    It requires having an awareness of how others feel they have been belittled or repressed, and being sensitive. Many (although not all) women have been objecting to being called "girls" for years now. This comes from having had to claw out of the stark gender inequality of the 1950s.

    If you unknowingly say something that another person objects to, just apologize for having been unaware and refrain from using the term again.
    Last edited by ReineD; 07-14-2016 at 09:53 PM.
    Reine

  6. #6
    Senior Member Hell on Heels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Monterey Ca.
    Posts
    1,992

    Hell-o Kelly

    I'm not sure about the GG thing, Arbon has a great suggestion though!
    As far as being called a fish, and a brick...I had to look those two up on Urban Dictionary,
    This is the only reference I could find that brick is being used related to a person...
    An unintelligent person. Derived from "thick as a brick."
    And being called a fish, you'll probably understand this one...
    Much Love,
    Kristyn
    Attached Images Attached Images
    I smile because you are my friend, and
    I laugh because there is nothing you can do about it!!!

  7. #7
    Platinum Blonde member Ressie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    3,524
    Quote Originally Posted by ReineD View Post
    Many (although not all) women have been objecting to being called "girls" for years now. This comes from having had to claw out of the stark gender inequality of the 1950s.
    I remember women's libbers in the late '60s-early '70s being offended if they were called girls instead of women. They also didn't like being called ladies. I think these women would be happier if they would lighten up a little instead of holding on to some resentment from nearly 50 years ago.

    We all know that they aren't girls anymore, but couldn't that be a term of endearment? Women I know call each other girl or girlfriend sometimes. Could it be these 2 women have some animosity toward CDs? Enough with all these new terms but maybe now we need a new term for CD haters.
    "You're the only one to see the changes you take yourself through", Stevie Wonder

  8. #8
    Yeah Ok like whatever Tracii G's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Between here and there but mostly here close to the donuts.
    Posts
    22,080
    I have to wonder when there is a whole gaggle of women in place one will say you go girl or come on girl/girls lets go (fill in the blank).
    Its like the N word its OK if they use it just not us.
    I'm pretty sick of all this "I'm so offended" BS and stupid attitudes I see in public.
    If something offends you don't listen to it.Nobody is forcing you to listen to music that offends you or force you to read an offensive book.
    I'm ready to go live off the grid somewhere so far up in the woods nobody would know I was there except the wildlife.
    Head Executive Chief of the Dept of Redundancy Dept.
    Expert plumpologist

  9. #9
    GG ReineD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Samsara
    Posts
    21,116
    Quote Originally Posted by Ressie View Post
    We all know that they aren't girls anymore, but couldn't that be a term of endearment? Women I know call each other girl or girlfriend sometimes. Could it be these 2 women have some animosity toward CDs? Enough with all these new terms but maybe now we need a new term for CD haters.
    It's OK if women refer to each other as "girls", like Tracii mentions. It's not OK if men do though, in some instances (at work, or among strangers). Just like the N word. It's not OK for white folks to use it but African Americans do use it among themselves.

    This goes to show how powerful language is, and the extent to which it influences how we feel or think about something. Imagine the mindset of a white person who uses the N word regularly when referring to African Americans vs a white person who makes a point not to (out of respect). Although less serious, it's the same with men who refer to women as "girls" as opposed to "women". Using "girls" can be condescending even though the person who uses the term doesn't realize he condescends. I explained why in my prior post.

    I know it's difficult to be sensitive to all of this, but we really do need to try if we're all going to get along and pull together. Here's an analogy. You're tickling a young child who tells you to stop. Do you believe that the child has had enough and respect him enough to stop, or do you continue because you think he should enjoy being tickled.
    Reine

  10. #10
    Ice queen Lorileah's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Denver
    Posts
    11,805
    I don't see this thread ending well either.

    Arbon has it right. refer to them as women. If you need to be more specific you can do that within the conversation (i.e. natal).

    Kristyn, you're quote is wrong. It isn't a compliment, in fact it is very disparaging It is used in the gay community not as a compliment but as an insult and usually used to refer to women (I won't even discuss the origin, you figure it out and then stand back when you call a woman a "fish").

    As mentioned anyone can take offense at anything. The whole concept of "owning" it bothers me too. If a group of women don't want the "girls" label, they shouldn't use it between themselves. One sees this in almost every marginalized group. It annoys the hell out of me...it confuses others. It is like telling a child "Don't say that word it's bad" and turning around and using it yourself. I learned that the hard way 35 years ago. If any of my friends calls me a "girl" or any derivative thereof I walk away. Probably why I don't play well within parts of the "community". The word "Brick" is a derogatory term for someone who wants to be part of the TG community but isn't accepted as such or by the lesbian community for someone who won't fit as female
    .

    Now that we have settled that...if this thread has any more legs I will be surprised
    Last edited by Lorileah; 07-15-2016 at 01:15 AM.
    The earth is the mother of all people and all people should have equal rights upon it.
    Chief Joseph
    Nez Perce



    “Love isn't a state of perfect caring. It is an active noun like struggle. To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.” - Fred Rogers,

  11. #11
    Call me Pam pamela7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    SW England
    Posts
    2,896
    fish refers to "fishwife", a derogatory term, and also refers to the smell of an unwashed vagina in those circles. it's not a nice term. Brick "as thick as" - stupid. They're not being nice to you in any way, sense or form.

    people too-readily take offense, but then a lifetime of misogynistic abuse could lead understandably to taking offense. "the lady doth protest too much"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJFyz73MRcg
    I used to believe this, now I'm in the company of many tiggers. A tigger does not wonder why she is a tigger, she just is a tigger.

    thanks to krististeph: tigger = TG'er .. T-I-GG-er

  12. #12
    Adventuress Kate Simmons's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    The Poconos PA
    Posts
    18,972
    Best not to be concerned. Some folks will find offense in anything.
    Second star to the right and straight on till morning

  13. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Pacific Northwest
    Posts
    438
    I lived in Madison, Wisconsin, for awhile, where I became familiar with the epithet "the perpetually offended". There is a difference between someone who is offended for a reason, good or otherwise, and someone who makes a lifestyle of being offended at seemingly nearly anything. It is yet another example of too much of a good thing. Sorting it out takes a little time.

    I have lived in 13 states and two other countries for significant periods of time. I observed that the perpetually offended appear in greater numbers and get more publicity in Madison than anywhere else. I would not have it any other way.
    Last edited by Lorileah; 07-15-2016 at 01:34 PM. Reason: no need to quote post above yours

  14. #14
    Claire Claire Cook's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    E-cent. FL / Arlington VA
    Posts
    2,177
    I know we use "GG" in the context of distinguishing genetic females from trans-women or CD's (I've done it too...), but I appreciate the points that Arbon and Reine have made. Maybe if we need to make the distinction ... use GF?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Proud member of the Lacey Leigh Fan Club

  15. #15
    Aspiring Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    Nebraska
    Posts
    636
    The only way any word can be offensive is if we allow it. People today need to get thicker skinned. They are just words.
    Sara
    Last edited by sara66; 07-15-2016 at 06:15 AM.

  16. #16
    Silver Member Mollyanne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Long Island NY, Port Jeff area
    Posts
    2,867
    THIS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND!!!!! SOONER OR LATER SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET INSULTED OVER SOMETHING, SOMEONE OR EVERYTHING. WHY CAN'T WE JUST GO BACK TO BEING CIVIL TO EACH OTHER AND STOP THE LABELING.

    Molly
    Last edited by Lorileah; 07-15-2016 at 01:53 PM. Reason: don't bypass the filter, and you knew you were doing it
    "To thine own self be true"

  17. #17
    This Time Around Lauri K's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Houston Texas
    Posts
    682
    Kelly you may want to scrub your friends list, sounds like they used some pretty ugly terms towards you.

    You know the context of your discussions with them better than everyone here, but it was not nice what they said.

    Which reminds, I have been off of FB now for going on 7 months and have not missed one minute of it. Sure simplified my life getting off of there.
    Way too Girly ! I couldn't smell the smoke, and now I'll watch the flames

    Out on Parole ......Woo Hoo

  18. #18
    Yeah Ok like whatever Tracii G's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Between here and there but mostly here close to the donuts.
    Posts
    22,080
    I agree if they called you a fish and a brick tell them to FO then delete them because they aren't being nice to you.
    Head Executive Chief of the Dept of Redundancy Dept.
    Expert plumpologist

  19. #19
    Aspiring Member Cristy2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Jacksonville, Florida
    Posts
    679
    Quote Originally Posted by Mollyanne View Post
    THIS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND!!!!! SOONER OR LATER SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET INSULTED OVER SOMETHING, SOMEONE OR EVERYTHING. WHY CAN'T WE JUST GO BACK TO BEING CIVIL TO EACH OTHER AND STOP THE LABELING.
    I agree with Molly. It has got to the point where you cannot do, think, or say anything, or even own something, without offending someone and having labels slapped on you.
    Last edited by Lorileah; 07-15-2016 at 01:53 PM.

  20. #20
    Silver Member Amy Lynn3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    2,046
    ReineD, do you think you should change your Avatar to list you as GF or NF, so someone does not make a mistake and refer to you as a "gg" ? By having "gg" on your Avatar it gives the impression it is okay for anyone to refer to women as "gg's"

    Reine, you know I love you, but this splitting hairs seems so un-needed, as others have already said.

  21. #21
    Member Alexa CD's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Posts
    137
    This stuff is the biggest headache, it's all absolute nonsense. What a can of worms.

  22. #22
    Platinum Blonde member Ressie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    3,524
    Some women of the non CD/TG persuasion took offense to the term GG and 2 stated that GG was a derogatory term that the TG community throws around to demean women.
    I don't know who coined the term but I'm sure it was never meant to be derogatory or to demean women. I don't know of anyone of the TG community that would offend women intentionally.

    Apparently I haven't been in the same circles that these 2 women have been in.
    "You're the only one to see the changes you take yourself through", Stevie Wonder

  23. #23
    Transgender Person Pat's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Boston Area
    Posts
    4,094
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly DeWinter View Post
    Some women of the non CD/TG persuasion took offense to the term GG and 2 stated that GG was a derogatory term that the TG community throws around to demean women.
    It might be interesting to ask them what they understand the term to mean. I know some people internalize it as "girly-girl" which is pretty dismissive. As already pointed out, a term becomes offensive when someone takes offense. At that point politeness demands you stop using it until the issue can be straightened out or else communication ceases. Every party to a conversation has to agree to the meaning of words for them to be effective. (That's why we have endless 'labelling' threads here. People refuse to come to a common definition of terms.)

  24. #24
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    2,047
    Quote Originally Posted by Mollyanne View Post
    THIS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND!!!!! SOONER OR LATER SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET INSULTED OVER SOMETHING, SOMEONE OR EVERYTHING. WHY CAN'T WE JUST GO BACK TO BEING CIVIL TO EACH OTHER AND STOP THE LABELING.

    Molly
    What in the world are you talking about?


    Using terms like "cis" or "GG" among transgender people or places like on this forum is one thing. But when you take those terms out there in the world and start using them people don't understand what they mean or why those terms are being applied to them. They are going to be defensive about it and think you are all nuts for doing it.
    Last edited by Lorileah; 07-15-2016 at 01:55 PM.

  25. #25
    Member Alexa CD's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Posts
    137
    Quote Originally Posted by arbon View Post
    What in the world are you talking about?


    .
    Exactly, this is what I'm thinking.
    Last edited by Lorileah; 07-15-2016 at 01:56 PM. Reason: no need to quote whole post

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  


Check out these other hot web properties:
Catholic Personals | Jewish Personals | Millionaire Personals | Unsigned Artists | Crossdressing Relationship
BBW Personals | Latino Personals | Black Personals | Crossdresser Chat | Crossdressing QA
Biker Personals | CD Relationship | Crossdressing Dating | FTM Relationship | Dating | TG Relationship


The crossdressing community is one that needs to stick together and continue to be there for each other for whatever one needs.
We are always trying to improve the forum to better serve the crossdresser in all of us.

Browse Crossdressers By State