Saw my first MTF CD/TV in the wild today. Not enough time to read sufficiently, but I'm pretty sure. Cambridge MA, well dressed, fairly heavy makeup for 0730. I offered a smile but the lady refused eye contact, like many women in the US. Maybe I was mistaken
Overheard in the grocery checkout line.
"Look Momma, there's a man dressed like a woman!"
"Hush child."
"Oh, that's ok, I hear that a lot."
I wonder if they publish a field guide to this like bird watching?
Second star to the right and straight on till morning
We are everywhere Julie
I believe I have seen one once in Wrigleyville near Chicago but I didn't get up the courage to talk to them or anything. They were with a group of ladies dancing so I felt like it might not be a good idea to approach them at the time. I thought they were pretty brave to come to such a crowded bar in the middle of Wrigleyville lol.
Were you wearing a CD hunting outfit? You know 6" heels and a miniskirt? You all spend WAYYYY to much tine worrying about something that is really none of your business
OH BTW, you approach me and in any manner out me or try and discuss being trans without me knowing you and you will get such a stare that cheap makeup will melt off your face. Really people grow up
The earth is the mother of all people and all people should have equal rights upon it.
Chief Joseph
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“Love isn't a state of perfect caring. It is an active noun like struggle. To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.” - Fred Rogers,
My only interest in meeting another CD in person would be to potentially make a new friend or to get advice but I would be friendly about it of course. If they didn't want to talk I would leave them alone and let them go about their business lol. It's no exactly to meet up with other CDs especially since I'm pretty closeted myself.
Originally Posted by Lorileah
I think I want to cross-stitch that onto a couch cushion...
I am not a woman; I don't want to be a woman; I don't want to be mistaken for a woman.
I am not a man; I don't want to be a man; I don't want to be mistaken for a man.
I am a transgender person. And I'm still figuring out what that means.
I can almost guarantee you "saw one" in that neighborhood. It's just blocks from Boystown. Pinkfest takes place in Chicago every year around October and we are out and about all over the city. Watch for an announcement in the Events forum once we have the next dates nailed down. You'll be welcome. You'll meet new friends. I'm not from the Chicago area, but several attendees are.
Being a girl is not for wimps.
Offense is not a gift. You can't give it, you can only take it.
As a fairly newbie to going out I would HATE it if anyone approached me, whether they wanted to be my 'friend' or not. If anyone ever did 'spot' me, just keep walking.
Here today, gone tomorrow....
you wouldn't have to worry Diane the chances of me meeting you in public are slim to none. Plus its very unlikely I would approach another crossdresser in public because that would potentially out me too lol.
Well, yes, but I didn't mean just you, I meant anyone.
Here today, gone tomorrow....
E1 or E3 my dear 0730 or a LEO?
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Jenn darling that was me in Wrigleyville!
No way Jenn that's crazy
I need to wrap my head around this mentality, I really do.
So Your fully dressed and out in the public but NO ONE, CD or otherwise, should stop and talk to you? How do you control that situation from happening? I would think that if your brave enough, and sure enough about who you are, to be out and about, fully dressed, that you should also be willing to have interaction if it presents itself.
I know that if I were brave enough to be out there that another sister approaching me would be a lot more welcome than a muggle who's intentions are clearly unknown. Yes they might just being nice but they could also be looking to do you harm.
and cheap makeup? you assume too much. Your the only one who buys high end cosmetics?
Flip Flops were made for Beaches & Bath Houses, We have neither in 2017. Lose the flip flops!
So you think you know what people should be 'brave' enough to do when out, but your not 'brave' enough to go out yourself. Why not go out and see how brave you are then.
Here today, gone tomorrow....
Nope, didn't say that at all. That's you twisting the words to suit your needs. Sorry I am not an English major and have trouble from time to time expressing myself properly. The whole subject is about approaching, or NOT approaching a sister while she is out at this point though the OP didn't start the subject that way. It was actually about SEEING a sister while she is out but it quickly became toxic and a whole other subject. It happens when the first negative nancy posts.
My post was about whether you actually have any control over who approaches you or not. If your out there, there's no way to stop ANYONE from approaching you, whether they are friendly or not, guess you'll find that out one way or another soon enough but I'd rather have a sister, in drab, approach me rather than a closed minded muggle who is out to do me harm.
It's funny that we have talked about how alone we felt before the internet came into being but we are still at that point when we are out and about to this day just because we are under some invisible CD rule that states you can't approach a sister to even say "Hi". The world doesn't change until WE change.
Flip Flops were made for Beaches & Bath Houses, We have neither in 2017. Lose the flip flops!
You would huh? You don't know the person, you don't know their intent. Most people have personal space. You don't violate that space. it's just respect. And then you add
Did I miss the part where Julie was dressed or wearing the internationally known sign in bright pink neon that says "Hey! I like women's clothes too!" Julie was dressed as a muggle. Let's go to the tapeI know that if I were brave enough to be out there that another sister approaching me would be a lot more welcome than a muggle who's intentions are clearly unknown.
Nope wasn't dressed. Do you approach people with different ethnicity just to say "Hey I support you?" Do you approach a GG in public you don't know to say "Hey I like your _____?" (If you do be prepared for the results. In some areas that is sexual harassment).
Shall we address the brave context? You aren't by your own admission. So there you are, in public, seeing shadows at every turn and this man walks up to you and smiles. You have admitted you don't want muggles doing that but here is one. What do you do? You would be scared. You would run and hide. Then afterward you would sign on here and post about how this scary person OUTED you in public and that you didn't want that attention. By Julie's own admission she didn't know for sure...what IF it was a GG, you just insulted her. Even if she was trans...and especially if she was TS, you just outed her in public. It is rude. R U D E.
The earth is the mother of all people and all people should have equal rights upon it.
Chief Joseph
Nez Perce
“Love isn't a state of perfect caring. It is an active noun like struggle. To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.” - Fred Rogers,
Gotta agree with Joanne here..
Tonya RoseThis is me! (song by camp rock)
Lorileah, why so hostile? I was happy for and proud of her. I offered a smile as I would to anyone, especially one which I admire, and I assume have something in common. Oh, and I complimented an attractive GG at lunch today. I think being friendly and acknowledging our fellow humans is my business. Julie
Well said Lorileah, now I understand why you are one of our team of moderators.
why so hostile? Because CDs think it's a game to be out. This isn't hide and seek. You don't walk up to a pretty woman and stare or give a "knowing" smile, it's rude. You don't walk up to someone and say "Hey I see by your outfit that you are a cowboy...I'm a cowboy too" it's rude. At least half the CDs here are afraid of their shadow, you smiling at them just adds to that fear if they are out. How many threads have stated "a guy said_____to me...what did he mean?"
This isn't a secret club where you look for the ring, flick the side of your nose and wink. Personally I would find it rude, and you would hear about it from me. Others would be scared (what is your intention? Are you secretly laughing or supporting "gee I thought I looked good but that person just outed me in public, now everyone will laugh or point or the manager will throw me out.") AND you make the assumption it was a CD...maybe it was a transwoman...maybe it was a transsman who hasn't changed clothes styles...maybe it was (gasp) a WOMAN and you just leered at her or made her uncomfortable. It's bad enough to have some ape stare or laugh or point or..smile (why would he do that? You know just because I am trans doesn't mean I am a hooker). CDs need to learn to be discreet. Aw hell everyone needs to be discreet, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Quit hunting for TGs. You know, because you are on this forum, that there are a few out there. You also know that it's a big scary world. You also know that many are just getting their sea legs and you could have very easily thrown them back into the closet.
Yeah, I'm hostile. You don't understand what is in that person's mind. They don't understand what's in yours, even as innocent as you were.
Here's the rule: If you see (what you think MIGHT be) a transperson in public...Go about your business. No smiles. No knowing looks. No secret hand waves. This isn't a giant hide and seek game
The earth is the mother of all people and all people should have equal rights upon it.
Chief Joseph
Nez Perce
“Love isn't a state of perfect caring. It is an active noun like struggle. To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.” - Fred Rogers,
I agree 100%
Flip Flops were made for Beaches & Bath Houses, We have neither in 2017. Lose the flip flops!
Julie , If you are ever in Cincinnati And see me in a mall ( I am a shopaholic) come up and say hi ! This goes for anyone here ! I have been approached a number of times and people have said " i like your skirt " or "that outfit is cute". I am sure they suspected I was TS and I often will confirm that to them if they are nice . If you see someone who you might want to talk to who you think may be a TS or CD be polite and complement them . It is up to them if they wish to tell you if they are TS or Cd or whatnot .
Lorileah , If I saw you in public, I would certainly come up to you and compliment you on your outfit if I thought it was cute
you should introduce yourself before hand and I always look cute
Lorileah , If I saw you in public, I would certainly come up to you and compliment you on your outfit if I thought it was cute
The earth is the mother of all people and all people should have equal rights upon it.
Chief Joseph
Nez Perce
“Love isn't a state of perfect caring. It is an active noun like struggle. To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.” - Fred Rogers,
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