Glad to be a man. Even though I wore woman clothing.
Glad to be a man. Even though I wore woman clothing.
Last edited by Billy; 01-16-2017 at 08:17 AM.
What did you expect those people to call you if you had six days worth of stubble on your face? They were calling you by the recognized gender and not the clothes you were wearing.
You would think that all levels of the gender scale would be accepted here. Some of you clamor for "acceptance" but are mean to someone who isn't as far "left or right" on the scale as you? Complain about how person a,b or c doesn't accept you for who you are, but not accepting who someone else may be who isn't "normal" is just as bad if not worse then all the other ones out there.
Your thought to written word may not be what people are seeing or understanding, Billy, but I for one applaud your journey on discovering who you are, whomever that may be.
Well, much as I admire your efforts at going out as you do, if you do have a good stubble growth, short hair and no wig or makeup and present as manly (apart from the clothes) what else would they call you?
Here today, gone tomorrow....
Just a comfortable outing is all. Simply one example that a guy can go out in female clothing without issue.
Last edited by Billy; 01-16-2017 at 08:17 AM.
Nice to hear that they were civil and friendly. But the world we live in still expect a binary gender,and so they need to use sir or madam, or none at all. So since they did not use none, I imagine the greeter was politely but intentionally noting that you were non-conforming.
What would have preferred they say?
Would you be willing to try to more completely look feminine and see if the pronoun changes?
Have others tried this experiment?
Nice discussion on where society stands. Could you provide the region or estimate how TG friendly area the area is?
Hugs, Ellen
I was pleased they were friendly and called me sir. To me that indicates they saw me as a confident man.
Last edited by Billy; 01-16-2017 at 08:22 AM.
Originally Posted by Billy
Ya think? You were presenting as a MALE wearing feminine clothing. Women's clothing does not make anyone a woman.
billy has been posting as a man for a few weeks now, he shared that he went out as himself in womens clothes, crossdressed, he went out in clothes that he liked, to him they were merely clothes, he was true to himself and yet there seems to be some discord and some felt they needed to give a dig at how he choose to present, he presented as a man in a dress, that is his thing, you have your thing, i have mine....
good on you billy for getting out and being your"self",
happy that it was pleasant for you and folks seemed to not have a problem how you presented.
i have witnessed what i will assume are like minded folks, one time at a payless, same presentation, few days growth, LBD.....no wig or makeup, i tried to linger to see if i could hear any comments, a few second looks from folks, the SA was pleasant, but no time to linger any further....
....Mykell
i dressed like a girl and i liked it!crossdressing...theirs an app for that
Personally I hate being called sir, makes me feel like I'm old.
I think it's great you're comfortable enough to go out dressed, Billy, if only all of us could feel that comfortable, but I'm slowly coming along with it myself.
You present as a man in womens clothes so what did you expect to happen?
If you are nice to people generally they are nice back so whats the problem and again what did you expect?
A thought crossed my mind as I passed a sports bar on my way home from the store today. I thought that if I went into a facility, sat down and had a few cocktails and then decided to frequent that facility, after a while, the regulars would think nothing of Billy in women's clothing.
Last edited by Billy; 01-16-2017 at 08:23 AM.
It seems you are all about the shock factor and wanting to see how others react.
I will say you play with fire long enough you will get burned eventually.
All it takes is one Bubba that hates what you are to come down on you hard.
You feel the need to throw things in peoples faces they will turn on you.
Be warned is all I'm saying
Why would you insinuate that I throw things in peoples faces? I am respectful, pleasant, and kind.
I agree with Tracii on this subject. I'm all for pushing the envelope, but one must be very careful. In a non-CD circumstance, I have met Bubba and can tell you that it is not pleasant and VERY scary. While you are engrossed in your agenda, be vigilant about your surrounding.
As I understand the subject of "passing", it is to blend in and not attract undo attention. Perhaps, what you are doing will make it easier for others. Just remember the Japanese adage, "The nail that sticks up will get hammered down.". Be careful!
That's probably true Billy. Once people get used to it they probably will only notice if you show up in drab.
That's OK I was wearing jeans and t-shirt albeit women's and no wig or makeup gave the woman my male name and she proceeded to call me mam for the next hour. I wasn't even wearing a bra. I did notice later I had a lot of sagging projection without one. Maybe it is my meds.
As the OP has altered the opening post, this whole thread is now irrelevant, closed
Listen carefully to what is said, quite often you can hear what is not being said
The joy of correcting a mistake can bring pain to another
Meh.
If I had a nickel for every time I got called "Ma'm"......from behind.....with nothing but my long hair to go by, I'd be rich.
It's always fun to watch them squirm when they realize they've made a mistake.
what did you want. You have been on here for weeks now, you have made it clear you are a MAN who likes dressing. Ya gets what ya pays for. If you don't want "sir" wear a name tag
The earth is the mother of all people and all people should have equal rights upon it.
Chief Joseph
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“Love isn't a state of perfect caring. It is an active noun like struggle. To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.” - Fred Rogers,
On the contrary. I was very happy to be accepted and recognized and called sir and not ignored and called nothing. I think everyone new to going out in public should be excited when they feel accepted.
LOl sorry Lorileigh in my past life my name tag read bad dog get off the couch and stop licking that ! leave it to a far northerner to display hiss/her sense of bizzare humor
Last edited by Lorileah; 01-14-2017 at 06:38 PM. Reason: fixed quote :)
You see Billy how wonderfully accepting this crowd here can be. You are an adult and are more than capable of accepting and dealing with the consequences of your own decisions and actions. You sound like you know what you are doing and are discovering your own freedom to be yourself. Around here, it recently seems like a lot of members here want to coerce everyone to do it their way, or heaven forbid, you are setting a bad example for the community that some of those same people say that the do not belong to. It appears that they don't read what they write and apparently don't realize that they sound just like some people out there in the other real world who say the same about all of us as we try to be ourselves.
I have been here for quite a few years and it really is interesting how we still cannot support others similar to ourselves who decide to present differently from the majority. No one here has to follow your path or adapt your style, or even like it, but I would expect most here to support your right to do what you do. We have had several members, not many around here now, maybe for obvious reasons, who presented as men in dresses with or without a wig and with or without facial hair. I must say that this recent attitude is actually worse than before. They want live and let live and then won't support that in their own community.
Billy, keep the faith and do what you need to do. Hopefully this negative attitude will lessen and go away and your posts will be better received.
Mikell, Thanks for the good post.
No one isn't accepting Billy, just wondering about the agenda. The OP was about being called "sir". The OP has stated many times that they are a man wearing a skirt or dress. Conclusion, they are called "sir" because of presentation. Billy has had plenty of acceptance and kudos when they said they weren't following the standard here. However, what did the OP think they response to their post would be? "Ah man, Billy that sucks. You presented as not a woman and not a man. They should have called you...um...uh...."? Maybe we missed the point of the OP? Maybe they were happy they were called "sir" and wanted to state that? Can you point out where the rest of us went astray on our interpretation?
We all know Billy is pushing the envelope. Hey, that's great. MLK did it. Gloria Steinem did it. Cesar Chavez did it. Stonewall patrons did it. I have seen nothing here saying how Billy presents is wrong.
The earth is the mother of all people and all people should have equal rights upon it.
Chief Joseph
Nez Perce
“Love isn't a state of perfect caring. It is an active noun like struggle. To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.” - Fred Rogers,
You could put it that way. There's this moment that comes to my mind, not related to crossdressing, at least directly. After seeing my new flat, two female friends told me independently that the place looks like as if a woman had decorated it. I guess I have a rather heightened sense of aesthetics for a man when it comes to small details, fashion etc. Compared to my male friends, I really put a lot of effort into how things look.
Obviously, I really can't speak for others; that's up to them to answer. However, I too would like to know their own take on the matter.
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