Never tried either my moms o sisters undies. I started later in life with a few of my wife's. Not many though due to size differences. She was a Patiete 5' 2" 100 pounds I was, back then, 6'0" 180 pounds. but it was her square dance Karinolins (fluffy 50 to 100 yard pettie-coats) I started with. I ended up making over 20 of them for her and my two daughters. I still have two of them.