Wooooooah ! Is CDing a fetish for the OP ? if so then this is a bad idea , yes ? no ?
Wooooooah ! Is CDing a fetish for the OP ? if so then this is a bad idea , yes ? no ?
Kelly, Why ask us? Unless someone here really knows her it is all useless and possibly disruptive unnecessary opinions that are off topic. Maybe start another thread for the what if's and leave her out of it It appears that you and others have already chased her off. Why make it worse for her? Please explain.
AllieSF;
It's all been on topic for the OP. Her question was "Any ideas or suggestions".
There are three basic camps in this thread which include to paraphrase "It's a bad idea ... "," ... suggest you don't do it" and "go for it"
Nowhere was the intent to chase anyone off, forums where you ask for input, shockingly you do at times get input.
My question came, because another poster indicating she might me "forcing her CDing" on someone else. Waiting in a hotel room "excited" to surprise a hotel employee , does seem a bit odd. Who knows ? We could all be wrong and the OP may know the employee and it's all a harmless thing. Or we could be in an alternate timeline where 'surprise the hotel staff' is a requirement for checking into a hotel.
Since the OP hasn't posted an update , we may never know.
One of the interesting things about this thread is the diverse and varying thoughts on what people find acceptable behavior. For myself I like to encourage people to people to represent in the best way possible. I see people going out in public and interacting , to help people realize we the TG community are also made up of people who just want to be accepted and welcomed.
Personally I enjoy a good surprise every now and then , If i were the hotel staff I MIGHT find it amusing, If I were a gg hotel staff without much info on the TG community I probably would find it very creepy indeed.
So for me I would "suggest" a better "idea" would have been to go to a bar or to dinner.
Kelly, Thanks for the detailed reply. I also agree that there are a divergence in replies, suggestions, and in my opinion, over zealous minds ready to condemn the OP for even thinking about it. We have both have been here for a long time and have seen just about everything more than once. My specific question to you was about your question to the readers and posters here, and not directly to the OP wondering out loud if CDing was a fetish thing to the OP and then asking a follow on question "If so, then what?". That is not the topic nor an answer nor a suggestion to the OP's first post. If you wanted to ask her only for her reply, then just ask her directly and not ask the rest of us. A direct question to the OP I can easily accept because if she ever answers, you would have her point of view in her words. It is a clarifying question that could help clear muddy waters. We members here very rarely ask those types of questions and are more apt to readily jump on ill worded or confusing questions or statements by others. However, the point of asking it to the other members and respondents to the OP, seems to me a way of stirring the stuff up unnecessarily against the OP.
It would be nice if the OP returned to participate and help us understand, but I doubt that she will.
To AllieSF: If all it took to "chase off" the OP were a couple of people telling her it was a bad idea, then what does that say about her own thoughts on this?
And even though I do not believe the OP had any inappropriate designs on the housekeeper, it still seems like bad manners to set up the scenario in this way.
And I also would like her to reappear and tell what it was that changed her mind.
It's like reading a detective story with the last chapter missing..........
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Jodie, you have been here longer than me, not sure if always on the site or just visiting enough to get 500+ posts. I have seen many innocent newbies here start with some awkwarded threads and get roasted, when in fact they were actually simple but easily misunderstood posts. Most stayed and clarified, or at least tried to clarify with success and many just dug the hole deeper, or never recovered from the accusations piled on by some of the members. I have also seen many start a thread and then never come back to it for the same reasons, though they stayed around as longer term members. What does it tell me (I cannot speak for others) is that on the positive side they are newbies trying to reach out and share an experience or a desire, or whatever. Sure, some may be just like what some here may think or have insinuated about the OP here.
I believe like you, at least so far with no feedback from her, that her intentions were good but maybe not so appropriate. However, as many have said here, the cleaning people have seen it all, accidently or purposely and should know the routine for strange encounters. Maybe she is beginning awkward steps on this forum and dressing up completely away from home and still learning the ropes trying to interact with someone. I guess I am defending her right to make errors, many of which most of us have made in one way or another over the years. If she had just said that she was in the room when the maid arrived with no damage done to anyone, there would have been a lot of kudos for surviving and taking that scary first step someplace. Her mistake here was to talk about doing it before the fact.
Kelly ,
I'm still with you on this one, some members dress in a hotel room because it's their only outlet if they are in a DADT situation at home, but I would much sooner see them attempt to get out the door and take a walk around the hotel or surrounding area, intentionally waiting for unsuspecting hotel staff to get some kind of thrill doesn't sound good. If it happened by accident then fine , most staff have seen it all before.
Very few people take much notice anyway, even when I left the room in a strapless dress to get to the party. The only time I had a reaction was when I went for a swim in drab and returned the bathrobe dressed the receptionist at the leisure complex did say Oh and WOW it's you !! She only clicked on because I wore teal coloured nail polish all the time because I forgot to pack any remover , that did raise some comments from two female swimmers.
Last edited by Teresa; 07-31-2017 at 06:20 PM.
Maybe the wording of the OP caused some members to reply with words like "creepy", "weird" and "ambush". Hoping to get caught probably wasn't very good wording for example. I think the intent was more like wanting to be seen by someone while en femme.
Dressed in a white sexy satin blouse somehow was interpreted as being sexy for the house keeper in post #12. Really?
But the 2nd to last sentence strongly implies that she has never been dressed in front of anyone - I am afraid but excited as I have never been so bold.
And soon the OP is being called a bully, the post is disturbing...too much imagination going on here.
I really despise groupthink mob mentality and I've seen too much of it among crossdressers on this forum. Yet, I'm happy to see that everyone doesn't have this negative point of view in this particular thread.
"You're the only one to see the changes you take yourself through", Stevie Wonder
Am I the only one still AMAZED at the attention this thread is getting? Like, WOW! Its a legit question from the OP, Perhaps slightly odd in my opinion, But nothing too crazy. And wow oh wow, Has it got peoples attention. Never would I have ever guessed this would have gotten so many peoples panties in a bunch. I guess, Lets keep
em rolling in, I love reading the responses. We are a diverse bunch for sure. Has the OP written back yet? Man, I really, really want to know how everything went down now. BAD!!! The excitement continues to grow!!!! Ill be so depressed if we don't get closer.....
Jenna, I don't appreciate that you're here waiting for the OP to reply to get your jollies. You're ambushing her!
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All bad jokes aside, I'm new to this forum and this has been a fantastic read. Well done girls. ♥
On topic, I can definitely see both sides of the argument. I didn't interpret the OP as being at all "creepy" or "weird" and I definitely think the responses were a bit over-dramatic. She's "coming out of the closet," so to speak, and the way she's doing it is definitely bad manners, but when she comes to a crossdresser forum for what would hopefully be acceptance and advice she's immediately flamed. When she realized what she was doing she said "Opps" and switched her mind. Shouldn't that have been enough for the community, whom presumably she came to for support, to go "That's okay, we all make mistakes." and move on? Yet the argument keeeeeps on going. The internet is a fun place!
Except...
The OP left the discussion after the 4th or 5th response. No one "Flamed her" up to that point. It was merely pointed out that there are better ways to be seen.
And, like most threads on Interweb forums, it took on a life of its own. If one reads the responses, they are mostly back & forth between members OTHER than the OP.
Yes, the internet is a fun place. No, this isn't an argument, unless individuals giving their opinions is considered argumentative these days...
And WELCOME to the forums Exlecebra! May you enjoy your time here, learn some new things, and make lots of friends!
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Perhaps it was bad wording on my part, but I've never really been the type to let passive aggression slide. Say what you're saying, or say nothing. Regardless of when OP abandoned ship if she does come back to read what was here I think she'd find it very discouraging that so many people even within her own community are claiming she's a weird creepy pervert. It wasn't "merely pointed out," but don't take my word for it, I'll show you some examples.
"Just stop bullying hard working people so you can get your jollies."
"Does anyone else find these kind of posts disturbing ?"
"Kelly I have seen some disturbing /freaky posts as of late dealing with things like this not to mention some avatars that make me wonder if the person think this is a porn site. Honestly if you are going to be pervy please don't let us know.Ewwww."
"This is one of the weirdest threads I've seen posted in my 10 years here."
I only scrolled a quarter of the way through the second page for those. Is it really any great wonder that the OP didn't come back? Let's not pretend those statements aren't directed towards her, either. Arguments don't need to be heated, they just need to be people discussing opposing viewpoints. I'd say in that sense this thread contains an argument. Most threads on here probably do. Going back to my point about passive aggression, "unless individuals giving their opinions is considered argumentative these days..." is a very passive aggressive statement. Especially with the ellipses!
I obviously haven't been here *quite* long enough to figure out the whole forums dynamic yet, but there is a "clique" sort of feel to the way this conversation was going. My belief, regardless of how you feel about this specific OP, is that the people who come to a forum like this are looking for acceptance. Acceptance from people who've been where they are, or at the very least will accept what they're doing. If what they're doing isn't agreeable there is a better way to prevent it, and luckily many individuals here have displayed that so early on. The OP hadn't even realized what she might be doing. My bone to pick is with those whom posted, or have posts similar to the examples I displayed. It's an unusual elitism.
That all being said, thank you very much. Glad to be here. I'm confident everybody will hate me within 10 posts, I'm not good at keeping opinions to myself. o>
It is called non-consensual involvement into your scene. And I agree t isn't a good ideaOriginally Posted by Jodie_Lynn
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To Exlecebra: So, just because we share a common trait, we should all just clap our hands, and cheer everything that someone does?
You may call it "flaming" or passive-aggressiveness, but if someone does or says something that I disagree with, I WILL speak my mind.
Call it elitism if you wish, but a bad choice is a bad choice. It would be a disservice to NOT advise someone against a seemingly unwise decision.
And, on a personal note, I do not now, nor do I foresee myself in the future, hating you for your opinion. However, I must point out that I find you to be rather arrogant and aggressive yourself.
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I must say I am surprised at the responses that the Op is getting regarding her post. many see it as (ambushing) the housekeeper, involving her in something she may not wish to be involved in. And I do tend to agree with this....BUT......On the other hand, there have been many, many posts here in the past, where someone wants to go to their doctors apppt. wearing female underwear, and these posts get more positive responses than negative. I don't get it. Isn't it basically the same thing? You are subjecting a person (who is just doing their job) to your particular lifestyle. And why? just to expose yourself to them as a cd? To (as many have said here) "get your jollies"?
I have expressed my opinion on this subject several times here. I don't agree with subjecting an unsuspecting person to your need to dress in feminine underclothes. And by that, I mean actually exposing yourself to them. But the Op in this particular post is catching so much flack for wanted to do the same thing, except it is a hotel housekeeper instead of a doctor. Seems to me that some here may be contradicting themselves.
... again I'll point to the OP who asked for "ideas and suggestions"
Going to the dr or out while underdressed for some is a normal part of their daily lives. I think thats more in line with how you live your lives.
Also lest keep this from getting personal between forum members , The moderators who do a great job here, WILL shut down a thread that meanders too far off topic, It's what keeps this from becoming a flame war.
.... but there is a "clique" sort of feel to the way this conversation was going. (In human nature every one picks a side, look at sports baseball,football,curling,quidditch. Even in cooking are you a fan of one of the great chefs Gordon Ramsy fan,Julia Child, Ronald McDonald. Sometimes you feel like you are overwhelmed by others , other times you are in the Majority)
.... is that the people who come to a forum like this are looking for acceptance. surly you don't mean that we all think and act alike ?
.... Acceptance from people who've been where they are, or at the very least will accept what they're doing. ( I've never waited in a room dressed for room service, although there have been times where I have waited in a room for my wife (wink wink , nod nod)
.... My bone to pick is with those whom posted, or have posts similar to the examples I displayed. It's an unusual elitism. (It's really just an opinion. Yes there is a whole spectrum from prude to anything goes as long as they don't catch me an put me in the loony bin. Again we all have our comfort zones. The TG community or at least a major portion seems to be moving away from the wild leather,whips and spandex Pride parades of the 80's to a sit down in a restaurant and conversation kind of fit in mentality)
I'm hoping the OP was able to have a good evening and that the reason for her absence is not related to what came next. Did room service bring steak or fish ? Red or White wine ? WE NEED ANSWERS !!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by Kelly DeWinter; 08-01-2017 at 11:40 AM.
I already told you I agree with the point being said, I just said that some members in particular had some bad methods of going about disagreeing. Obviously you're free to have whichever opinion you desire, no skin off my back, but I think the very specific examples of posts I quoted do a disservice to this forum. You're doing a lot of straw-manning here so allow me to set forth my one very specific point and see if you agree or disagree on it. "Even when somebody does something we disagree with, we should give our criticism and advice in a constructive way." I'm not even saying you weren't doing this, honestly your original posts on the subject don't even come to mind so I'm sure you were fine. Lastly, as I said, I don't let passive aggression slide. You want to call me arrogant and then finish up with a "Namaste" to cover up the fact you just took a potshot. You know what you're doing. Like I said, say what you're saying or say nothing.
Your first response doesn't even make sense. When did I say we should all think and act alike? Again, that's a straw-man. I'm saying people who come here wish to discuss their crossdressing and/or the crossdressing of others. Period. Obviously I meant that they will accept the OP is crossdressing. Perhaps some of you have forgotten that for many crossdressers who are closeted about it finding acceptance and people to discuss this with isn't easy. This forum is an outlet for people who desperately want to discuss this. You don't need to agree with everything said or done, but you're at least going to agree with the first hurdle that she was crossdressing to begin with. But fine, I didn't clarify so let's put that blame on myself.
If your only defense for negative behavior is that it's "human nature," allow me to disagree. Human nature is for us to run around stabbing people for bread. Let's try to ascend above our primate brains, shall we? That was not displayed just as an opinion, it was clearly meant to make the OP feel bad about it. Howbout instead of "Just stop bullying hard working people so you can get your jollies." she could have tried "I think this is a real bad idea and it puts the housekeeping into a very uncomfortable position."
As I've said many times now, I agree with the point she was presenting, but I think the harsh language and overtones of disgust are toxic. I also happen to believe that moving away from leather whips and chains is a positive change for the general populous to see TG as regular people instead of fetishists. So far I haven't actually disagreed on any of the points you've presented, I just think the way you're presenting them is harmful. That's it.
Just answer me this one question. Do you really think all of the examples I quoted earlier are entirely appropriate ways to help somebody do the right thing?
... I thought of a long reply, but there is only one reply to your question without continuing away from the OP thread.
NO !
Passive aggressiveness sounds like an oxymoron to me.
Another one of those terms that make no sense at all. Its been turned into a catch phrase.
When I hear those two words I think of the womens march and neon green hair, pussy hats and walking vaginas.
Last edited by Tracii G; 08-01-2017 at 09:35 PM.
Tracii - So true most people really don't understand what passive aggressive behavior is. Here are some correct examples of passive aggressive behavior:
Jane: It's time to go, we really should get going now.
Passive Aggressive Ann: Oh...okay. I just...well okay, I GUESS we can leave now.
Jane: Ann, do you want to stay? Is that what you're trying to get at?
Passive Aggressive Ann: Huh? Oh no, we can leave if YOU want. I just didn't get to do everything I wanted to do yet, but no no, we can go I guess.
Jane: God dammit Ann! Fine, we'll stay, are you happy?
Passive Aggressive Ann: Oh okay! Yeah! That sounds great too!
(Ann got her way without having to openly ask for it)
I understand the excitement of getting "caught", but this is not well advised. Just be yourself. Wear whatever you like. If someone compliments you, be gracious. If they are derisive, ask how it is any of their business.
Omg, where does a girl goto get popcorn around here? I'm probably gonna get in trouble for this useless post, and I'm sorry to the mod that boots me, but Omg! This thread! Really?!?!? I'm pretty sure every angle sideways from Sunday has been anilised about getting walking in on by housekeeping, but still we flame on..... and the op has been absent from the start.... be still we flame on.... anyone get the point?? Someone wanted to get seen by housekeeping..... instead of going out...... and here we are 4 pages deep...... without a response from the op...... please someone find me some popcorn, this is vetter than jerry Springer. Again, I apologize to the mod that kicks this post, should I be outside the lines, but really feel that Someone has to draw attention to the overblown silliness of this thread before it gets nasty........
It does need to be tossed into the abyss.
Its actually been nice to hear the different views on what constitutes acceptable or unacceptable behavior. But I did find some popcorn ....
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