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    Labels

    I've never been one for having labels attached to us such as TG, TV, Transvestite or whatever. Why then do some of us put the "GG" label on women? I welcome your opinions on this.

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    I thought it was shorthand for "girl-girls" to differentiate them from girls like us.
    Forgive me for having the irritatingly feminine trait of wanting to improve the people that I like.

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    Genetic Girls

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    Yeah, that.
    Forgive me for having the irritatingly feminine trait of wanting to improve the people that I like.

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    It's ultimately what's behind the label.

    GG = Genetic Girl
    GM = Genetic Man

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    Hell-o Diane,
    The simple fact that you don’t understand why we use labels surely doesn’t mean you don’t understand the labels.
    I agree the labels are kinda rediculous. Basically, GG is a gender clarification, and yes...some here might have gender issues, but labels do have relavance in some conversations.
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    I find labels often confusing. As to GM for instance - are we talking about a Genetic Man or General Motors?

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    Seems logical to me. Since most of our members here are MtF CD's to full time women, what do we call a member here a cis-woman (actual technical dictionary word), "real" woman? Then what to we call a Transsexual woman? It was created to help clarify and simplify communication here and everywhere else as a shortcut. Kinda like OMG - Oh My God, and LOL - Laugh Out Loud, and finally my favorite, WTF - Why the Face? Most of us use those in our daily text messages and Tweets and stuff. It is only confusing for a short time if you make an effort.

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    Hmmm. Labels? Who needs em. I like being GM though, Genetically Modified LOL.

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    Society (whatever that is) needs to label or pigeon hole people otherwise they have no one to aim their anger at or justify their ridicule towards certain groups.

    People are so caught up with taking sides these days that they feel they need to label everything.

    The real label we should all have and the only one is being a human being and all the different aspects that brings.

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    It is often wrongly assumed that a person chooses to be transgender and one day decides they want to live the remainder of their life as transgender .This couldn't be further from the truth. Transgender is established sometime during pregnancy, probably in the first three months and certainly well before an individual is able to make a choice.

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    Labels, unfortunately, are a fact of existence. Since language was created labels have been used necessarily.
    Without them we could not identify anything.
    Car. Bank. Pencil.
    How we use the labels is the issue. Do we use them for identification, humiliation, clarification?
    Personally I don't like labels, especially in our world. There are too many, they are too confusing and they really don't help us. TV, TG, TS, CD, Cis, Poly (wanna cracker?? ).

    Just be careful how we use them among ourselves. Others will take care of using them against us.
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    Was corresponding with a friend here about transgender issues and just started using the words genetic females and non-genetic females to explain a point. One could argue that a non-genetic female is actually a genetic female because the hard wiring that occurs to drive the transition is determined by DNA. Then we could have a genetic non-genetic female. Add in the abbreviations...actually beating my head against a brick wall sounds easier if the wall is not damaged.

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    They are just descriptions. Sometimes they are accurate such as when you are called a woman as that means you have two X chromosomes. Then they are just partial descriptions of you such as transvestite. Yes indeed I am a transvestite but I am also so much more than a transvetite. So if someone looks as me and sees Transvestite and then reaches into their internal dictionary for their understanding of what that means, they are missing a huge part of what I am.

    Unfortunately the labels as you call them come with a variety of pre-conceived notions that determine how people look on you and treat you. Those who know a transvestite and count one as a friend will have a completely different notion than someone who got their understanding from a joke or a one-sided representation of a transvestite.

    Sadly we live in a world of labels and no amount of kicking back is going to change things quickly. However we can all do our bit. Take Teresa who has almost created a diary here of her coming out and living full time as a transvestite. In her interactions with the people she meets, she is contributing to a positive image of transvestites. So when someone like the many SA's she runs into thinks of a transvestite, what comes to mind is a pleasant, polite member of society.
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    Short explanation: Trans women are women also. However, their experience may be different than those who were born with all the requisite parts. “Labels” aren’t always bad. Sometimes they’re necessary for clarity of communication.

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    labels carry emotional baggage with them - it is better to be accurate, but that is often very long winded.
    a person born with a Y chromosome [this includes the XXY Klinefelter people] who wears clothes that in their cultural environment are worn by people with only X chromosomes [this includes Turner syndrome who are XO].
    or you could say male crossdresser.

    Using GG is a way to identify those people born with just X chromosomes. Those with 5 alpha reductase deficiency are not GG - they look female until puberty and then they start to be able to make testosterone, but they are XY.
    How do you refer to the FtM people on the site? When are they GG and when Transmen? The most accurate is to describe their actions and exacting state, but hard to do that and be readable.
    Hugs, Ellen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheryl T View Post
    Labels, unfortunately, are a fact of existence. Since language was created labels have been used necessarily.
    Without them we could not identify anything.
    Car. Bank. Pencil.
    How we use the labels is the issue. Do we use them for identification, humiliation, clarification?
    Personally I don't like labels, especially in our world. There are too many, they are too confusing and they really don't help us. TV, TG, TS, CD, Cis, Poly (wanna cracker?? ).

    Just be careful how we use them among ourselves. Others will take care of using them against us.
    I couldn’t agree more. Every time I see a thread about “labels” I cringe because the question is loaded. These are words that convey specific meaning linguistically. I also find they help us understand where we fit in through better understanding the collective experience of those who came before us.

    I will say (and I know how popular my comments on THIS subject usually are) that those who are most resistant to “labels” tend to identify as “hobby CDs” who believe they have absolutely no “gender issues.” I will avoid elaborating on that thought today.

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    I think the GG label is good as it denotes knowledge about a particular situation when replying to a thread.

    I for one could never speak with authority about bearing children and child birth.

    No I may be a lot of things but I do not profess to being a GG. :-)
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    I use GG to distinguish an XX chromosome person from any XY chromosome person who says, " I am a woman."

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    I actually like GG label as it informs that the poster is an actual woman and not a woman impersonators, or like I, a MIAD.
    Some expressions and ideas can be seen in a different light depending on the person professing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KatrinaK View Post
    I couldn’t agree more. Every time I see a thread about “labels” I cringe because the question is loaded. These are words that convey specific meaning linguistically. I also find they help us understand where we fit in through better understanding the collective experience of those who came before us.

    I will say (and I know how popular my comments on THIS subject usually are) that those who are most resistant to “labels” tend to identify as “hobby CDs” who believe they have absolutely no “gender issues.” I will avoid elaborating on that thought today.
    So if a woman was resistant to being labeled a "GG" that would make her a "hobby" something or other?

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    Great I've always wanted to know what GG stood for

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    @Georgia:

    Here's a whole list of abbreviations and *ahem!* labels that you can learn without having to wait for a bust up for .

    https://www.crossdressers.com/forums...=1#post2636716

    - Lydianne.

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    I also am not a fan of labels. I'm new to dressing, have ALWAYS. had the desire, but never said anything or did anything about it until October. My wife is amazingly supportive shops for me, helps pic cloths to wear etc. I've only "dreased" once back in October, but have under dressed a few times. My wife asks multiple times a week why I dont dress, and doesnt understand my trepidation, as well as guilt, disgust, and every other emotion associated that I'm feeling, and then slapping a label on dressing, like trans or what ever just adds extra stress and angst making it harder for me to just relax, do it, and enjoy it, because although sexuality, behavior, etc has become so much more accepted, for me, giving it what has been percieved as a "taboo" title for so long, it makes me feel more abnormal, unusual, disgraceful, and most of all confused. I understand the GG title on these forums and appreciate it, because it helps me see a genetic womans prospective, however, why cant we just be crossdressers, which we are, unless someone IS trans, let us have a less invasive name, but not a title or label. I have 2 sons that are bisexual, they arent my bisexual sons, they are just my sons. Maybe as a group it would behoove us to take a step back and look at how we label ourselves as well.

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    A world without labels:

    You've got a pantry full of cans with no labels. You're hungry but you have no idea what's in the cans. Beans or peaches? Soup or dog food? Well, that's ridiculous. Labels are a necessary part of life.


    The assumption here is that the members are male crossdressers. Knowing that a comment is coming from an actual woman can be important and it certainly clears up any confusion we might have when the poster mentions "my husband".
    Krisi

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    Personally, I wish I could get through life with minimal labels. However, I do understand that many people find comfort in labels, and that's fine! I just don't like to overcomplicate things. As far as everyone needs to know, I'm just a guy who loves fashion in a wonderful, committed relationship with another guy. And I just treat those things as normal parts of my life.

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