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    LGBT question, Job applying

    So, being in between the jobs recently and applying for bunch of positions, there is almost always a question: Are you a LGBT person? Options: Yes, No, I prefer not to answer. Please share your toughts: Why they need that information? Do you think that answering "Yes", would affect my application negatively? The third option is stupid and the same as answering Yes.Would you share your experience please? As a whole I feel myself embarrassed and confused. It seems that they would not assess my skills and knowledge but my sexuality!

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    Perhaps the company is looking for some diversity within their company and may be a positive factor card to stack into your playing hand.

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    Over the years I've hired and fired a lot of people. It was part of my job and I supervised others doing the hiring. There is no right answer, but I would error on the side of saying no. It never bothered me one way or the other what was put in there. For the most part companies I was working with didn't have that question on the application and I would have suggested taking it off the application. It is a bomb for both the employer and the applicant. It sets the company for a charge of discrimination. It sets the applicant up for a manager who dislikes LGBTs

    The other thing is, I would point out don't push your agenda. Don't wear women's clothes or play into the stereotype movements. I'm not trying to be hard, but if you need a job that is the role you need to play. I was in a different situation, no one hired me because they liked me.
    If you have a job you can have fun applying, but when I was young I was fired for interviewing with a competitor. Actually I wasn't, but they didn't care I was at the enemy camp. Best thing that happened to me for years.

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    Answering yes makes you a liability to their business IMO because you may possible cause legal issues with them.
    If they view you as a gay or trans activist that may hurt your chances of employment with them.
    Is it right they ask all these questions you may ask sure if they want to know but you can choose not to answer on the grounds that its too personal.
    Princess Chantal has a good point too and thats a possibility as well.

    PS this is just my opinion because activist type do cause problems in the work place.
    If some don't agree thats fine I'm just giving you the honest truth.
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    Wow things certainly have changed since the last time I was job hunting 30 years ago...

    Back then it was still somewhat common to be asked your race on job applications. Probably for all the same reasons Chantel and Tracii mentioned above.

    This to shall pass...

    But in the meantime I would check the box that fits. If you are out then answer yes, if not then no.
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    In many places here in the United States that would be illegal to ask an applicant. I’m surprised it flys in Canada.

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    It doesn't legally fly, Micki. It's bullying. If they ask these questions and don't hire the candidate, they have left themselves open to litigation concerning illegal discrimination in their hiring practices.

    Eva, there are legally proscribed questions in a job interview including but not limited to marital status, LGBT status, medical status, what you intend to do with your wages/salary, family status/ambitions, etc. Your provincial/territorial ministry of labour website has the full details.

    I've had some of these questions asked in McJob interviews. I haven't had much trouble with professional employment.

    If you're asked these types of questions, chances are good that is a reflection of the workplace environment. I found reviews of an employer I was considering complaining about micromanagement of university educated professionals. There were also complaints about the complainers claiming immaturity. I decided not to apply: toxic work environment.

    My answer to this type of question would be requesting an explanation of the relevance to the work at hand (there is never anything permissible beyond health and safety considerations) or give them an obviously preposterous answer. If it's an online form, I would leave it totally blank. It might cost you the job, but my view is the disrespect isn't worth it.

    I don't buy that line, Chantal. There are legal ways to do that which do not include asking the question.
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    Leave it blank, In the US LGBTQ discrimination is semi-protected.
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    Questions like that are, by default and by law, optional. You don;t have to answer. The company, at least in the US, legally cannot use that information in making an employment decision. Most likely, they are just gathering general demographic information about who is applying. Corporate America has come a long way in the past 20 years. My previous employer, GM, was consistently recognized for their inclusive culture and had active LGBTQ groups recognized by the company offering support and social interaction opportunities. I had a coworker who transitioned(MTF) and nobody batted an eye. She's been promoted twice since she changed her name, if I'm not mistaken.

    Don't answer if you don't want to or just answer No if you still have concerns.
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    Where I work, a state university, LGBT is now a privileged class. Even ten years ago, who would have thought that would ever happen? Even so, I fly below the radar. It has been observed that a government powerful enough to give you many things is powerful enough to take them all away on a whim or a simple change of leadership.

    As for the question, I just leave it blank. These are almost always statistics gathering to impress some Federal bureaucrat who only wants a data file to check some box and who could not care less what the data may reveal. I see it often at the university where I work. We have a Sub-Vice-President who has statistics for three meals a day and twice for afternoon tea. Everything, even the feral cats and the field mice in the Agriculture Buildings, must be reduced to statistics. There is so much data that no army of accountants could possibly look into more than a small fraction of them. Even with our statistics monger in charge, I have never been called out for leaving such a question blank. Often, a blank response will crash the software. This is most often true with SurveyMonkey. At that point, if confronted, I just tell them to fix their software if they want my data. That is the end of it because they never do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micki_Finn View Post
    In many places here in the United States that would be illegal to ask an applicant. I’m surprised it flys in Canada.
    That question has no right to be asked. That is an infringement of your rights in Canada.
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    Maybe they are worried you might drive up the health insurance. LOL
    They have no business asking such questions.
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    I'm going to jump in here and add that during interviews, there are all sorts of questions that we used to ask which weren't technically illegal to pose to a job applicant, but were asked to allow them to 'give themselves away' about information that we couldn't ask. It's been a while since I was a manager, so maybe others can chime in to this practice if it's still being done. A big one was to just ask what reasons the applicant might have for not being able to come to work. Acceptable answers might of course include death of a family member, illness or injury of same, illness of self, transportation problem which would make it impossible to get to work, and I think you can come up with some others. However, we would get assorted answers which would tell us things that we couldn't have asked about, such as religious reasons, staying home to take care of children/sick relative/friend/pet, or a lost pet. While all these may sound reasonable, to some employers, nothing short of a disabilitating illness or injury is considered acceptable for absence. Other things to be careful of, are information about yourself that they might see as a potential safety or legal issue (that last I think was already mentioned, but bears repeating). Say, sporting a long beard or hair when applying to work in a machine shop where it might get caught in a machine or be a fire hazard in somewhere that has open flames such as a kitchen.
    In short, be careful of the information that you volunteer without being directly asked about it.

    The only place I even might be thinking that asking the lgbt question could be appropriate, would be in a job where the majority of the clientele IS lgbtq, and in the interview finding out if there was a particular group of clientele that the applicant might be particularly knowledgeable about the customer's problems. Though the applicant would probably volunteer that information in such an environment, anyway, to enhance their own chances of employment; so it might not matter if asked or not.

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    After reading this Thread, I am so glad that I an retired, and out of the job market. Good luck to all.
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    I've been advised that talking about health problems is not a good idea, Lexi. I am highly disinclined to talk about everything else on your list as well. Reason: it gives the employer grounds, lawful or not, to reject me in favour of another candidate.

    Women of childbearing age, whether they have children or not, have this issue thrust upon them. Children mean time not spent at work being productive for the company. It isn't legal, but it is all but impossible to prove to the standard required by a court of law to win a judgement against an employer.

    It's my experience that employers will turn an illegal discrimination issue into a legitimate reason (eg. performance or fit issue), true or false, to dismiss an employee legally. The ex-employee then has little practical recourse. Even if they do take legal action, that brands them as a troublemaker that no recruiter will touch.

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    I would answer no.
    There's a growing use of that line of questioning and it's also appearing on some college entrance applications.

    Also companies can't "ensure confidentiality and anonymity," Data breach etc, Although Goldman says it removes the data.....

    Here's what one company says (Goldman Sachs)

    “We ask for this data because we want to keep ourselves accountable,” says Anilu Vazquez-Ubarri, Goldman’s chief diversity officer and global head of talent. In other words, she says, the bank wants to make sure it is not unfairly discriminating against LGBT applicants.

    Under Equal Employment Opportunity Commission rules first implemented in 1978, major employers are required to track their job applicants and employees’ nationality, race, and gender (though applicants are free to withhold the information). While the data is not part of hiring decisions, it can be used in employment discrimination cases that arise. The EEOC, however, does not mandate tracking of LGBT status, though it says federal discrimination protections extend to that community—even if the law does not explicitly say so.

    But Goldman, whose benefits package covers sex reassignment surgery, decided to start measuring its own LGBT inclusivity roughly a year ago. Its method is similar to that of the commission: First, it asks candidates to self-identify. Then, it removes the data from the resume and interview process. Finally, after the hires have been made, Goldman checks if the proportion of LGBT applicants is reflected in the eventual group hired.

    While the bank isn’t seeking to hit a specific target at the moment, it is hoping to increase its percentage of LGBT employees, which it plans to track on a monthly, quarterly, and annual basis.
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    What Lisa indicated (#31) and others according to the EEOC these tracking questions are not to be used in the hiring process. They can be tabulated post hiring. I would think before even looking for a job the applicant would do a cursory check of the firm. There is a debate whether or not transgender men and women are protected under federal statutes. Check with the vice president! And, in many states there is protection for transgender men and women. In states that do not recognize any rights for transgender men and women, and, the state allows for firing for no cause, then check out the firm before applying.

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    In most cases the job applicant's answer to that question is not available to the hiring manager. It is the type of thing that HR Departments track to assess their employees' diversity.

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    yes if you are "out" and would like to go to work dressed then it would be best to say so. Do some background checking of the prospective employer they may well be wanting to increase the diversity of their workforce. In that case they would expect you to be dressed as a woman if they invite you for interview. Good luck job hunting.
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    I would pass on both questions and if asked why I would ask why? right back.

    If I got a satisfactory answer I may then discuss it, to my advantage of course.
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    Micki is spot on. I noticed you're in Canada. I do not know Canadian law. In the United States according to the EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) it is illegal to ask on a job application or in an interview a prospective employee or employee:

    Race, Color or National Origin
    Religion
    Sex, Gender Identity, or Sexual Orientation
    Pregnancy Status
    Disability
    Age or Genetic Information
    Citizenship
    Marital Status Or Number of Children

    As pertains to the United States one may research which and why some questions are excluded. I don't know the law in Canada, but, in the USA that question should not be asked.

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    I am surprised this is a question on a job app. It would make me suspicious. However this maybe a case of positive discrimination. They may want to encourage LGBT to apply for positions in their organisations. Most likely they have already LGBT active in their employment.
    You may want to turn up for the interview in a nice frock at least their won't be any surprises.

    I would tick the box. To worry that they may think of you as a trouble maker/activist would be very narrow minded of them.

    Over to you?

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    Why all this guessing? I would simply ask the HR person why they asked that question?
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    Pass on it! It’s none of their #$&*# business. Look somewhere else.

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    For the record, I do not think the question is appropriate to ask on a job application unless it is for a Lgbt based organization like a lgbt resource centre.
    If the organization is obviously promoting inclusion and diversity, I may put the volunteering work I have done within the local Lgbt community onto my resume or mention during the interview. I will still leave the question on the application form blank though.

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