sexuality question

[Kieroney]

No need to label that, you like what you see. So what. Nothing wrong with having more options.

[docrobbysherry]

I am completely straight. No fantasies with men when I'm en fem.
is such a turnoff for me, I had to figure out a way for Sherry to get off without mine showing!

But that being said, let me tell u about those Thai T-girls I met. Some were SO perfect, I thot about making out with one, I wasn't drinking, she was just that fem and that hot!


RS

[RobCD]

If you were dressed and out in public and you were "hit-on"
either by a man or a woman, what would you do??

How far would you go?

I have been hit on by men who werent CD or anything like that before. It was a turn off.

I think its an attraction to femininity

[TriciaO]

If you were dressed and out in public and you were "hit-on"
either by a man or a woman, what would you do??

How far would you go?

If a woman hit on me, I'd thank her and compliment her outfit or her smile.

If a man hit on me, I'd move a little closer, speak softly so he would have to lean in toward me, and allow him to seduce me.:blushing:

How far would it go? As far as we could, depending on the privacy of our location or availability of a more secluded place.

[Raquel June]

If you were dressed and out in public and you were "hit-on"
either by a man or a woman, what would you do??

How far would you go?

What about if you're dressed and get hit on by another CD? Oh, I guess that's not gonna happen much in the mall, but it's actually pretty standard in the ladies room a few places I've been...

And their looks are pretty important, too, aren't they? Let's think about this another way...

Let's say you're out in public and you get hit on by:

Ernest Borgnine
Johnny Depp
Kathy Bates
Scarlett Johansson
Dame Edna
RuPaul (the wig stays on)

Personally, I'm going Scarlett and RuPaul, but I'm not gonna fault anyone with a penis who choses Johnny Depp over Kathy Bates. And honestly, I might throw Ernest a little sumthin-sumthin out of respect for his work on Airwolf.

(that's actually not fair ... Kathy Bates is pretty cool, and I was totally impressed that I wasn't vomiting at her nude scene in About Schmidt)

[Stargirl]

I get tired of defining myself, and what I am, or want, only to see that I really don't HAVE to define, and measure what I need or want. I would like to do more experimenting but the willing potential "bouncing buddies" pose no challenge, or excitement. Getting older does odd things to the brain, and hormones. But, I will take "odd" any day over "same old thing". I have an inner male persona who is far more daring than my female side. The female side needs emotional connections. Many men run like hell when women mention the fact that we require more than a "bounce a thon". My male side can distance, emotionally, to get past an unpleasant encounter with a man. My female body is present, but the male side spaces out more effectively. I can almost hear my female side laughing (in a playful way) at my male side having a go at a male. Why bother defining too much ? Observe, engage, and enjoy. Emotions still make the big difference for me. Flesh is a servant.

[MarinaTwelve200]

ok mostly I identify as a heterosexual male crossdresser. In other words I am attracted to women even when Im dressed.

However I seem to have a strong attraction to other transgendered MtoFs as well. I havent actually done anything with one before and I clearly have no attraction to "men as men"
but I can't deny a certain level or arousal whenever I see a transgendered person, espically if they are passable.

What does this make me other then confused?

As hetrosexual males, we ARE attracted to "things" that look like women. This would be true if the object in question was reallty a woman or not. This would include PHOTOGRAPHS or statues of women, as well as another man who is dressed to look like a woman.---Being attracted to that shape in the form of a male does not suggest homosexuality any more than being attracted to a picture of a woman might suggest we have a sexual thing for PAPER. We hetro guys are programmed to respond to the image of a female---real or not.

[deja true]

You were right the first time, Robbie. You're confused! No need for other labels, unless you're into pigeonholes. Pigeonholing or categorizing everything in your life is a particularly male trait. Useful in the male world, but here? ...not so much!

The only answer for confusion is to look for answers,but too much navel-gazing is not the way. Get out and experience life, not just think about it. There be answers out there!

respect & love (for the curious)

deja

[Suzy Harrison]

ok mostly I identify as a heterosexual male crossdresser. In other words I am attracted to women even when Im dressed.

However I seem to have a strong attraction to other transgendered MtoFs as well. I havent actually done anything with one before and I clearly have no attraction to "men as men"
but I can't deny a certain level or arousal whenever I see a transgendered person, espically if they are passable.

What does this make me other then confused?

I think this is why "straight" guys can become a little angry with us sometimes. They may feel attracted to us and that leaves them somewhat confused.. and annoyed.

The reality is if you're 'wired up' to like women then that's what's going to attract you..... one way or another..!

[Raquel June]

I think this is why "straight" guys can become a little angry with us sometimes. They may feel attracted to us and that leaves them somewhat confused.. and annoyed.

That seems obvious at first but kinda fascinating the more I think about it.

I mean, let's say a totally straight guy -- maybe a manly man type, but a nice guy -- is totally attracted to a CD...

Then he's going to be irritated or angry when he figures it out. Whose fault is that? Seems pretty bogus to just blame "society," but he's basically angry about what it says about him as a man in light of social norms. It's unfair to say he's a totally bad guy, and it's unfair to say the CD is trying to do anything subversive other than just express some femininity.

I'm just sayin, a perfectly nice guy could have a total brain meltdown and feel he had to punch you in the face to avoid being transformed into prancing gay man for the rest of his life. I guess that's why I only go out to gay bars en femme, even though I wouldn't identify as gay per se.

[Mitzi]

What about the James Garner character in "Victor/Victoria". A macho guy falling for a t-girl (or so he thought). He was so smitten, he no longer cared that "she" was a he.

I'm like Rob, attracted to sexy t-girls, but absolutely not to guy guys. Had a few gurls hit on femme me in my day. My experience is that a lot of t-girls are also "admirers".

Mitzi

[amy canada]

I'm a heterosexual guy as well and I'm only turned on by beautiful looking women. Not every woman turns me on. I'm guessing this is the same to you. We're attracted to beautiful women, whether they're real women or MtF. I don't know if I'd date an MtF, but I guess it would be fun to look at her just as it would be to look at a GG.

[T_gurl_tia]

labels labels labels.....if i tries to label myself i guess i would be a happily married bisexual male to female crossdresser attracted to male to female crossdressers, male to female transgender, males, and females...thats just to much to say or think about.....so i just say im a sexual person!

[Eugenie]

I think this is why "straight" guys can become a little angry with us sometimes. They may feel attracted to us and that leaves them somewhat confused.. and annoyed.

Indeed such experiences can be quite confusing... I had a similar feeling of confusion when I was working in the USA.

There was a young person with a beautiful face and a slim well proportionned body. I felt enormously attracted to that person. It was extremely confusing as I was convinced that person was a male with, some feminine features, but no doubt a man... I couldn't control my feelings for that person. I didn't have any inclination towards homosexuality so these feelings were making me feel very strange...

I finally got the courrage to talk to "him", on a quite mundane subject... It turned out that "he" was a "she"...

That ended my confusion but not my being attracted to her... Which I never expressed to her by the way...

So with regard to gender and sexual attraction it is quite unpredictable how one might react.

After all isn't love counting more than labels?


Eugenie

[Fab Karen]

That seems obvious at first but kinda fascinating the more I think about it.



I'm just sayin, a perfectly nice guy could have a total brain meltdown and feel he had to punch you in the face to avoid being transformed into prancing gay man for the rest of his life. I guess that's why I only go out to gay bars en femme, even though I wouldn't identify as gay per se.

The only reason he'd feel he "had to" punch you would be because he's repressing his desire after he knows the person isn't a gg. A secure guy would just think,"oh. Not what I want." & carry on about his day.
BTW, gay guys aren't interested in us.

[angelfire]

I guess I'd have to consider myself bi-curious. Never been with a guy or a mtf, but I am not necissarily opposed to either if the right person came along.

[Vaerise]

Maybe u r attracted to physical feminine beauty.
MtF TS are trying to be female, maybe in your case you just aren't as homophobic like some are.

[RobCD]

Maybe u r attracted to physical feminine beauty.
MtF TS are trying to be female, maybe in your case you just aren't as homophobic like some are.

I think that pretty much hits it because I have a lot of images of femininity in my room as well. Im not talking like lingerie calendars or swimsuit posters. I have like faerie statues and a lot of anime girl figures (mostly fully dressed in like princess type outfits)

I also admit to haveing a few barbie dolls hidden away (hides)

[tonna reydhar]

I too am hetro, I love GGs, men turn me off, and while I see a lot of y'alls pics next to your posts and think y'all do very well, I couldn't go there either. However TG men 2 women, who have been taking horemons, have the shape, have breasts, but are pre op totally turn me on. Like I read somewhere above, not every woman turns me on, likewise not every TV/G turns me on. Like crossdressing, it took me a LOOOOOOONNNG time for me to admit to myself that I am a crossdresser. Now I realise that it's just part of me. Can you imagine me sitting in the day room at the station with the other FFs and Jerry Springer comming on, these really hot girls come out, knowing that they are TV/Gs all the guys are going "gross, nasty, yuck etc" I'm sitting there thinking d@mn she's hot, whoa where'd she get that (insert article of clothing here) lol. I have accepted that I am attracted to TV/Gs, just like crossdressing, it's a part of me.

[RobertaFermina]

Scientists have never found any trace of a box, neither masonite, steel, nor cardboard...not to mention platinum, gold cigarette case, or gilded cage in any region of the brain or soul.

Why we should imagine an construct boxes for ourselves elsewhere defies our natural spirits......yet somehow we imagine that it is the thing to do.

I have a real problem with it. I do move in my own circles, though I cherish the freedom to jump the track, or crash the wall should I have an earnest fancy to do so.

Feel the freedom of defying your own conventions....when it is in your heart to do so.

Roberta

[sybercom11]

ok mostly I identify as a heterosexual male crossdresser. In other words I am attracted to women even when Im dressed.

However I seem to have a strong attraction to other transgendered MtoFs as well. I havent actually done anything with one before and I clearly have no attraction to "men as men"
but I can't deny a certain level or arousal whenever I see a transgendered person, espically if they are passable.

What does this make me other then confused?

Funny thing! I have never been attracted to TG MtoFs because that is my role. I have however, since I can remember, been attracted to girls and guys pretty much equally. I evolved away from relationships with guys, but they still turn me on.

[Christa]

Now I'm sure you didn't mean any of this in a way to demean or offend the gay members of this group. But it would probably be helpful in this conversation to NOT make the assumptions that most of us are straight male crossdressers, find other CDs sexually exciting, dislike being called "gay", or think only gay people like showtunes and interior decorating... especially since most of us seem to be making the point here that LABELS AREN'T HELPFUL.

I should add that neither are stereotypes or homophobic comments.

This group is for all of us... in all our glorious variations.

Christa

The only thing that makes it confusing is the way society attaches a totally black and white "gay" label to even the slightest admission of variety in your sexual feelings.

If we all lived in ancient Greece you'd probably have your masculinity challenged if you didn't want to fool around. "Look at the girly-man! He probably has only ever kissed his wife!"

There are a ton of guys who are really into ******* porn who would never CD. There are also a ton of guys who are into CDs that you run into at clubs who aren't the slightest bit gay acting (other than that they blatantly hit on you when they know you're not a GG). They often play it off as fooling around and playing the "wink wink, we're all acting like you're a girl" game, but get a few drinks into them and sometimes they really let it out of the bag

Seriously, though, I think most of us are somewhere on the same scale. Love GGs ... love to dress up as a GG ... maybe love to go out ... if you love to go out you probably like guys being attracted to you ... and we can all appreciate a hot TG.

On one hand, I think the term "bisexual" is pretty nasty, because it brings to mind "I'll have sex with anything or anyone" ideas for most people. On the other hand, I also kinda think anyone who won't admit a twinge of bisexual feelings is extremely repressed. You know, the kinda guy who can't admit that Antonio Banderas was pretty hot in Desperado.

It would be nice if the word "gay" would be reserved for people who like showtunes and interior decorating, but as it is you're going to have to live with it being applied to the majority of us girls with a somewhat colorful sexual persuasion.

I suppose I would classify myself as a quasi-celebate bisexual

...but I'd certainly like to be in a good relationship with a woman. I doubt my therapist would lay good odds on that happening, though.

[Raquel June]

But it would probably be helpful in this conversation to NOT make the assumptions that most of us are straight male crossdressers, find other CDs sexually exciting, dislike being called "gay", or think only gay people like showtunes and interior decorating...

I didn't make much of an assumption. I said that most CDs like GGs, most CDs like guys being attracted to them at least when dressed, and most CDs can appreciate a hot CD. Is that not the case?

I also didn't say that most of us are "straight male crossdressers," but a huge number do identify as such (even if I think they aren't being totally honest with themselves).

Sure, there are CDs who have no desire to ever be with a GG. I love meeting gay CDs who aren't just drag queens (I have a lot of queen friends, but I think I do come off as a bit of a weirdo to them). Still, you must admit that non-queen CDs who fully identify as gay are the minority of the already small minority that is CDs.

And yes, there are non-gay men who like showtunes and there are tons of gay men who hate showtunes. But it would be totally absurd to pretend that stereotype wasn't based in reality.

Hmm... number of gay bars I've been to that play showtunes: at least 10 within 50 miles of me. It's pretty much a defining feature of what people call a gay bar. Number of straight bars I've been to that play showtunes... zero, except for one time when I was in a college bar and a gay man was playing around on karaoke night and sang a couple showtunes. And I've been to about 20X as many straight bars as gay bars.

[angelfire]

Scientists have never found any trace of a box, neither masonite, steel, nor cardboard...not to mention platinum, gold cigarette case, or gilded cage in any region of the brain or soul.

Actually, I think it is made of bone, and called a skull

[Fab Karen]

I didn't make much of an assumption. I said that most CDs like GGs, most CDs like guys being attracted to them at least when dressed, and most CDs can appreciate a hot CD. Is that not the case?

I also didn't say that most of us are "straight male crossdressers," but a huge number do identify as such (even if I think they aren't being totally honest with themselves).

Sure, there are CDs who have no desire to ever be with a GG. I love meeting gay CDs who aren't just drag queens (I have a lot of queen friends, but I think I do come off as But it would be totally absurd to pretend that stereotype wasn't based in reality.

Hmm... number of gay bars I've been to that play showtunes: at least 10 within 50 miles of me. It's pretty much a defining feature of what people call a gay bar. .

I have been to many gay bars/clubs and the music being played is pop or dance music. Never heard showtunes.

Tell us what stereotype doesn't apply to you as a CD, and we will then use it to define you. And then you shouldn't complain, because "it's based in reality." Maybe then a lightbulb will go on.