Originally Posted by bobi jean
So its the plant!
So its the plant!
How about transdresser! There is a NEW WORD!
Tara
As you have already heard there is no difference between tv or cd, it is just a label and that means nothing. The issue that I see in all of this is why would you allow someone to just walk in on you unannounced when you do not want to be interrupted? I think you were naive in thinking that this would not happen and at the same time that your friend was rude in just letting himself in unannounced. This is what door locks were made for!!!!! If you feel bad about this then blame yourself, think about it. I think both you and your friend showed bad judgement in this situation.
I won't debate whether I was right or wrong keeping my door unlocked. That is part of living in a small community where people are comfortable with keeping their doors unlocked. I've done it all my life, my family has, my friends have.
As for getting busted, that was a very unfortunate situation. I keep myself in the closet just because of people like my former friend. People expect men to be men, and women to be women. Any deviation is not part of the norm and people will react.
That too is probably part of a small town attitude.
I am disappointed in this whole deal. But it is what it is. I can't go back and change it. I can only learn from it and move on.
Same here...
[SIZE="4"][/SIZE][SIZE="3"][SIZE="2"]Seville[/SIZE][/SIZE]
I am physically attracted to women.
Last edited by susancheerleader; 05-05-2008 at 08:57 PM.
[SIZE=4] What the hell was your door doing unlocked if you were running around your house dressed!??[/SIZE]
I very very very rarely get company so I didn't even think I needed to.
Guess I was wrong......
Anyway, despite my mistake, it did bring on a good discussion.
Last edited by susancheerleader; 05-05-2008 at 09:01 PM.
There have been a lot of good answers to the CD vs. TS question. But, in the end, there is still some confusion.
Try this, and see if it helps any: Crossdressing describes a specific behavior. It is an umbrella term that includes everything from the occasional fetish to the professional Drag Queen. It merely describes wearing the garments of the opposite sex.
A transvestite is a person who practices the behavior of crossdressing. But, this person's cding does not necessarily reflect an inner gender dysphoria, (as a transexual), or a profession, (as a Drag Queen, for example.), or a sexual preference.
Under the general heading of Transvetite, you have such specific types as fetishistic transvestites and transexuals. The transgender community falls into this catagory when they choose to crossdress. (Yes, there are people who are gender dysphoric who do not choose to crossdress.)
A lot of the confusion comes when we try to use a verb as a noun, (crossdress becomes crossdresser), or a noun as an adjective. (Transvestite becomes transvestic fetishist.)
And, as has been pointed out many times, it is often the least informed in the politically correct community, that gets to make up the definitions.
I believe it was Terry Wogan, (Famous British radio disc jocky who went on to become an even more famous TV, (NO! not that 'TV'; television) personality), who once said that: "There are two types of people in this world. The rightous, and the unrightous. The problem is, the rightous seem to think they get to define who is who." I think there is a parallel concept here for us.
Obviously, this is a pretty brief offering, and certainly not all inclusive. But I hope it helps a little.
Well, I wasn't trying to hammer anyone -- guess I should have used a smiley face to indicate that I was being playfully flippant. An oversight I guess. But since you press the issue, I didn't post an individual definition, and an extremely narrow definition (based on just about everything I've ever seen or heard) is precisely what I responded to. Besides, I was under the impression that the terminology in question, far from being an unresolved issue awaiting some sort of vote, has been amply and suitably defined both formally and informally for quite some time, and that information is readily available to anyone willing to do even a tiny bit of research. Besides, I really don't think limiting the term "transvestite" to a sexual preoccupation with underwear progresses things very much.Perhaps, rather than just viewing our own individual definitions as the right ones, we could use this thread to progress things and agree on which ones to all use - or perhaps we need a poll..
As for my own personal definitions, as far as I know someone could call me a transvestite or a crossdresser and be essentially correct either way. I really don't care. For that matter, they can call me a sissy or a fag without offending me, even if that is their intent, and even though neither of those terms is all that accurate. As long as they don't decide I should be locked up or killed, I'm prepared to slough off the categories and slurs and look for opportunities for one-on-one interaction, which does more for "the cause" than mountains of dusty old words.
Last edited by JessieB; 05-06-2008 at 01:02 PM.
SMACK, SMACK, SMACK!!!!!With reference to Wikipedia...
Mein Gott!
I never realized I had violated heteronormative bounds. I should be spanked, like a naughty schoolgirl
Jahwohl!
What is worrying is the number of people who are absolutely certain that they know 'the answer' and everyone else is wrong?
What do you call a gay or bi person who crossdresses, if not a crossdresser? And why does it matter to so many of you that someone might consider you are gay? Time and time again, it so obviously is such a big deal..
Is there not merit on voting on a few definitions - and then sticking with the outcome? otherwise we never progress..
Nicki
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I am also sorry you got busted , but if he was a true friend he probably would have at least let you explain your self to him. My only other thought on this would be to keep your door locked that way you are in control ! kind of hind site but it could happen again. anyway there plenty of people on this site who support you.
It seems every post lately devolves into this label thing. Honest to Pete why should we care? Until we are all out of the F'in closet, the labels and the nonsense will continue.
TV, CD fetishist, underdresser, TS, TG she-male, lady-boy, I would probably respond yes to all the above, so what?
Sorry, let's discuss instead the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin, shall we? So much more elegant and useful.
-Tracy
Everybody's normal until you get to know them. - Tracy Schapes
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it.
- Jef Mallett
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Sorry it has taken so long to get back on this one but I have not been feeling very good as of late and havent spent much time on here. any way THE PLANT DOESN'T HAVE A THING TO DO WITH IT (i didn't even notice it to be honest) IT IS THE ANGLE IN WHICH YOU ARE VIEWING THE CROSSDRESSER/TRANSVESTITE FROM THATS ALL.
Even better was the post with; the tv is the square thing and a cd is the little round thing.. loved that one
No these are not womens clothes!! THEY ARE MINE, EVEN THE HEELS. (update 4/01/10) THEY ARE NOW ! ! !
Not really. Crossdresser and transvestite deal with clothing... transgender is an ENTIRELY different thing dealing with the gender identity of the person.
In a society in which it is a moral offense to be different from your neighbor your only escape is never to let them find out.
-- Robert Heinlein
Tracy, I love your postcard idea! My wife was thinking of throwing a "coming out" birthday party for me. That would be so funny to send postcards with my photo on it.
I think crossdresser sounds sexy, a boy in a girl outfit.
love the feeling.
I think nicki b had a good point. If we can't agree on the definitions ourselves how can we expect others to use the proper terminology.
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