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    Trying to find the courage

    Heck, it's so hard to even talk about this, I am so terrified that I'm even afraid that you may actually give me the courage I need and I will actually have to come out to my family.

    See, I actually did come out to my parents about six years ago, but it was when I thought I was intergendered.

    It wasn't planned, I was visiting them (I was living abroad) and my mother noticed my hairless body and long, polished fingernails. When we were out having an icecream with my dad, she casually asked if it had anything to do with sexuality and I then told her what it actually was.

    Their reaction couldn't have been worst. From telling me I should be institutionalized, to saying if I was both man and woman I was attracted to women and men, and that meant I had unprotected sex with every man and every woman out there. Perfect logic, right? Oh, and there was also the part where I was a transvestite and I was dooming myself to live in the margins of society and become a prostitute (despite that I had a job with a respectable salary in a multinational company that was actually a pioneer in LGBT friendly workplaces, and I already dressed androginously to work and was out to a lot of people and nobody minded). Lots of crying and yelling followed once we returned home, and of course the guilttrip inducing "why are you doing this to us?".

    Next morning I went back to Argentina, where I lived, and since then the issue was never mentioned again, it was as if the conversation had never taken place. I didn't dare telling anyone else in the family. It was kind of a DADT, which was easy to keep as I lived abroad, but at the same time, and assisted by that fact, drove me farther and farther away from them. It wasn't helped by my parents still ongoing tendency to want to have a say in every decision I made, despite being financially independant, literally up to the clothes I wore (even masculine clothes, my mother would think she had to approve them). I allowed that tendency to go on for too long, by sometimes let them influence some big decisions, and never going far enough in my attempts to make it clear that I didn't appreciate unsolicited advise (when I tried to, it was interpreted as if I was saying they were the worst parents of the earth and the lowest scum).

    Fast forward to last year, already mentioned in my reintroduction thread a couple of days ago, I had quit that job, switched careers to something I was satisfied doing, and I found myself admitting I am really trans, not just intergendered. I had also moved back to Uruguay for a while, before moving somewhee else, or just packing a backpack and taking off to be a nomad for a few years (I ended up doung the latter), but I couldn't just tell them those were my plans, for I knew what their reaction would be. I wanted to do this trip for many reasons, from knowing different places to a spiritual journey, and including taking distance from everyone that knew me and had expectations about who I had to be, so I could find the right moment and the right way to transition. Still my father found out the vacations I was planning weren't exactly that, and tried to persuade me ("you're going to a big country it's dangerous" whatever that means) but didn't tell my mother.
    Finally this last April I left "for two weeks" and extended it bit by bit, until they realized I have no plans to return anytime soon. I've kept contact with them to a minimum, only a short e-mail every week or two. Not essencially different from how our communication already was.

    A while later two months ago, I felt ready to go 24/7 and it has been great. Yes, I get misgendered sometimes (brazilians seem to be blind to skirts, and so unaware of other cultures that they believe regular skirts - not even remotely looking like a kilt - can be typical masculine clothes of any country), I get some stares, but nothing significant. I've decided to stay for a few months in the city where I transitioned (again, for me transitioning refers to living 24/7 as a woman, I can't afford surgeries right now, by choice), have made some great friends here, and I'm living and working at an inn, where I get along greeat with staff and guests (and I even got some beautiful clothes from one of the cooks and from an adorable guest!).

    Still, I can't find the way to tell my family, at first because my father had to get surgery to remove a benign tumour from his colon (and is still recovering) and also because I know how my parents will react. Or I think I do... Recently, in their emails, they started saying they were happy that I was with people that loved me and having a good time, and offered to buy me two way tickets so I can spend the holidays with them and then come back to where I am now, like if they're finally accepting one of my decisions because I proved them it's possible to travel with little money and to make more than a little money without stable employement.

    I have an older brother and an older sister, both married and with kids. My brother lives in the US. They are quite older than me, so while my relationship with them isn't bad, we're just not close. I think they may react different to my parents, but I really have no clue. I'm thinking of writing to them

    As for the rest of my family... It's a large family, some I know will hate me, some I know will support me, and some I can't predict. And then there's my 97 years old grandfather and 94 year old grandmother, to whom I know my mother will not want me to tell.

    I've been making up excuses to postpone writing to my brother and sister. And I've already come to terms with the fact that if my parents react the same way again I will sever the relationship with them (and the whole family), because I don't want and don't need that in my life (their, specially my mother's, disapproval of every choice I've ever made, even after telling her many times how bad it was for me, got me to that point). Still, I'm terrified of facing that beast again...

    I have met some very supportive people here, but none of them had to go through this.
    Last edited by Promethea; 11-09-2014 at 07:53 AM. Reason: Accidentally deleted half my post trying to fix some typos. Typing on an ipad sucks...
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    Rather than make a discussion to sever relations with any family, would it not be better to just be you, go on the trip. remind them that you love them regardless, and let them react how ever they want to?

    As people are thrown in to situations, their first reaction to change is to fight it, be angry with it, try to find someone to blame for it, after a while they realize fighting change is a waste of energy and they often start accepting the change for what is really is
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    Rachel, did you read the beginning, where Promethea explained the outright rejection from her parents when she thought she was intergendered (nice word)?

    If you reread what she wrote about coming out, nowhere did she say that she was starting a discussion in order to sever relations, but - in my opinion quite rightly - she did say that if her parents show the same level of hostility and rejection to the news of her transition then she will cut the ties.

    Promethea, I would like to suggest that if you are forced to cut the ties with your parents, just leave a channel of communication open in case they later change their mind and want to apologise.
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    One of the things I had a most difficult time wrapping my head around when I first found this site was simply this; live YOUR life. I think this one simple thought seems so foreign to us because for most of us we have spent the majority of our lives living them to make other people happy and not ourselves. It makes us feel selfish but in truth we are not. If the people that no longer associate with me could see how truly happy I am now they would change their disapproving attitudes but that is their loss not mine.

    I would say live YOUR life and be happy. Life is too short when you do and far to long when you don't.

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    Promethea good luck however it turns out. You are at least making decisions that
    are yours. Like Rachel said, be happy.

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    Hi Promethea,

    I think my situation is similiar to yours and I will eventually be in your shoes. I told my mother about a year ago and that didn't go down very well and now we're hardly talking to each other anymore. The DADT approach is a very insidious way of undermining any efforts in building a trusting relationship and may lead to further indifference and misunderstandings. Sometimes, I wished that my mother would just pluck some courage and ask me so I can answer her questions but she has chosen not to say anything. Maybe she wanted to avoid conflict, maybe she didn't know how to deal with it and was still processing the stuff I told her, maybe she is in denial, who knows?

    I wish to change your focus a little bit.

    I don't know about the whole "just-live-your-life-and-be-happy" philosophy because I don't believe that is possible and a person's goal in life shouldn't be to seek "happiness". I do what I do because I feel that it will help me grow and putting my life on hold for my mother/family was impeding my growth. I believe a person's goal in life should be to seek "understanding of oneself". And people like us will never understand our true selves and potential if we were held back for whatever reasons. But understanding oneself is an arduous process and there's no guarantee of happiness at the end of the tunnel, hence many people chose "happiness" over "understanding".

    I wouldn't subscribe to the fallacy that humans are born to be happy so I don't expect myself to be happy, at least not all the time. Humans wade through ups and downs in order to find meaning for themselves. It is one the existential questions all humans ask ie "what is my purpose in life?".

    I get this feeling that you wanted your family involved but was afraid of causing more harm than good. However, you did not mention "why" you wanted your family involved. Is this related to "happiness" or "personal growth"? Happiness is not always synonymous with growth.

    Either way, you are screwed (so am I). I don't know if there was a right way to approach family but I agree to what Rianna said
    Quote Originally Posted by Rianna Humble View Post
    if you are forced to cut the ties with your parents, just leave a channel of communication open in case they later change their mind and want to apologise.
    But while you're waiting for them to move past their anger and fear, you really ought to make sense of your experience because you have to grow one way or another. It won't guarantee you happiness, nothing will, but at least you would know why.

    And finally, there's nothing wrong with being sad as long as you're not on the brink of suicide. The buddha said "in time, you will realise that misery is your only friend." There are many ways to interpret this so I'll leave it up to you.

    Take care Promethea.

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    Rachelakid, it's not about the trip, but about having transitioned. I already am on my trip.

    Rianna, that will be difficullt to do, at least without my mother using it to tell me how wrong I am...

    Sarah, your words resound with me, as budhism sees things quite similar to the shammanic path, in that all of life, light and mud, is appreciated and to be lived. I understand what you mean, and I don't think Rachel and you mean different things, even if you don't agree with her choice of words. I believe that through selfless purpose we can be happy (maybe joyful is a better word). I've been studying my karma and I know my purpose, having born trans and going through with my transition (and everything that comes with it) has a role in that purpose.

    As to why I want my family involved, I am not a CD, I am trans and living as a woman, there is no way not to be involved with that, unless you're not involved with me at all. I don't want to keep hiding it from them, and while I may not be ready to visit this year (not just related to my gender issues), I don't want to put on a costume to visit them. Well, actually I do NOT want them involved in this, in the sense that I don't want them thinking they have a say in it, and I don't want to modify my behaviour because of them.

    Yet I feel I have to have consideration for my dad, because they are still stressed over the surgery, and he still needs to have some checkups to confirm they took out everything. I feel it's not a good moment to break the news, but at the same time they are getting insistent with the invitation for the holidays, and it's November already...

    Thank you all for your words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Promethea View Post
    Recently, in their emails, they started saying they were happy that I was with people that loved me and having a good time, and offered to buy me two way tickets so I can spend the holidays with them and then come back to where I am now, like if they're finally accepting one of my decisions .
    Quote Originally Posted by Promethea View Post
    they are getting insistent with the invitation for the holidays, and it's November already.
    The more independence you demonstrate, the more they panic. They want you under their thumb, and miserable. That's what gives them a sense of control, and reassures them of their place in the world. If you accept their money, they will try to make you pay it back in the emotional coins of tears and misery. The safest choice would be to wait until you can afford the trip without taking their money. If you decide to let them pay for your ticket, at least make sure they can't cancel your return flight, and make sure you have a friend you can stay with (or funds for a hotel) if / when your parents start in with the emotional torture again.

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    I remember when I came out to my entire family as transsexual back in 1989. My parents had known that I was different almost since birth. In fact, after my mother died, my dad sent me some old pictures, and the souvenir "Birth Certificate" you get from the hospital, the one with the foot and hand prints on it. It said "Ballard Boy?". It seems that even the doctors weren't quite sure what I was. I girlfriend of mine had noticed that instead of the straight seam on the sack, mine was a bit "zig-zag", like it had been sewn together. Perhaps it was.

    When I told my family, I came to the restaurant as Debbie, and was a bit too feminine and a bit to sexy. The reactions were interesting. My brother said "I always figured there was somemthing like that. My sister said "I've always thought of you as the older sister I never had. You were the one who could comb or brush out my hair, no matter how long, without hurting me. You taught me how to do make-up, how to do my hair, how to exercise, how to dance. Mom was a bit apprehensive, more like "I hope that you will be happy, i just want what's best for you. My father's reaction was "Why do you have to throw this in my face like this?". I realized in that moment that he may have been the one who wanted me to be a boy when i was born.

    My father tried to tell me I was different when I was 10 years old. I realize now it was because I would be going through changes that might be like a boy, or they might be like a girl, or maybe a bit of both. He even explained that I didn't have testes like other boys, because "they are up inside you, like ovaries, if they don't come down when you are 12, the doctor will perform a surgery to make them normal.

    It turned out it was a good thing he did. I started having periods, bleeding through my bowels, and sometimes waking them with my pain, but my testes also dropped, and since I knew that meant I would start growing hair, getting bigger, and looking like a man, which I didn't want, I tried to destroy them. I tried poaching them (scalding water on them, or dipping them, I tried strangling them, and I even tried crushing them with a board and a sledgehammer.

    I think my father blamed himself for my being transgender, because he was gender ambiguous himself. He was also the one who tried to discourage me from dressing like a girl. When my mom bought me a pair of bright blue tights, he bought me a blue t-shirt and gave me a red pillow case, telling me to be Superman instead.

    Eventually I did get to talk to my dad about it. He had been bullied as a kid and had hoped to spare me that kind of pain, but it didn't work. It was only on the last few days of his life, that he finally told me that mom's therapist had told them that the "cure" for people like me was daily shock for 3-4 months, aversion therapy (torture), and if that didn't work, a lobotomy.

    I had flown out to see him before he died, and the very first conversation he said was "If I can't give you anything else, I want you to be yourself, even if that's Debbie". He spent the rest of his life getting to know and love his daughter.

    I had been considering transition before that, and Dad found out about how important Debbie was because she had a Facebook account.and dad friended her. After that time together, I took it to heart and finally took the steps to become the woman I had always known I was. Fortunately, I had been honest with my wife from the beginning, and even though she was a bit uncomfortable - because I hadn't told her I was going to start on hormones, I went to the gender therapist, and once it was clear that I was happiest as Debbie, and should "Be Debbie!", she asked me to bring Lee. By the end of the first session, Lee was on board, and I agreed to take her coaching and learn to dress more appropriately. Today, I am full time as Debbie and have been Debbie for more than 2 1/2 years. I am so much happier. When someone says they like me, or family says they love me, I can actually experience that and enjoy it. When I get a compliment I can actually enjoy it. Before, compliments were painful, because it validated the boy, and I always feared that if they know I was Debbie (even before she had a name) that they would hate me instead.

    My family loves me more too, and my coworkers like and respect me more. I'm more willing to talk and share and be authentic, and listen. I can feel joy and share it with others, and I can even feel and share sadness - hopefully in a way that moves, touches, and inspires others. I never knew I could be this happy. I just hope that all of you get the chance to feel that - if not today, someday soon.
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    Debbie, thank you with all my heart for sharing your story with me. It brought me to tears. It puts my own story in a very different perspective. I can´t imagine hiding it for so long as you had to, and I even haven´t gone through all that pain you have, since for me, I guess I am much more detached from bodily existence, that it has never been about my body being wrong or disgusting one way, but more about being so right living in a different way.

    And still, after all those years, it turned out mostly fine for you. I may just write to them now. I tried when I first read your post half an hour ago, but I froze. I´ll try again now...

    They wrote to me after not hearing from me for 10 days, saying they were about to call to the places they thought I might be working at, and when I replied they went with some emotional blackmailing, asking if I don´t want to hear about them and the rest of the family, if I´m not interested. And saying I have been more distant in the last few weeks. In reality I have been distant for years, since I realized I couldn´t share my happiness with them (not just in relation to gender), I don´t think I´m more distant now, but that gives me a cue to tell them.

    Thank you all, but thanks to Debbie specially. If I could I would give you a hug right now.

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    And I did it... here´s the main part of the letter (I´m just not including pleasantries and a couple other irrelevant matters my mom was asking me about). Quick translation from Spanish:

    About why I´m not sharing... it´s not new, you know it. Don´t you remember that when I was in Buenos Aires you already asked me why didn´t I write more often?

    A long time ago you made me see that I can´t share with you the things I like, that are good for me, that make me happy, because they are, in appearance, very different from what you value, and you can´t understand that my frame of reference is different. That many things you deem important aren´t so for me. And I say this without judgement, it´s just that I am a different person from you, and I am the way I am thanks to you. And I´m not going to change, I´m going to the end with the things I feel as true, because that´s what I learned from you.

    But a few years ago, we had a chat that showed me more clearly that I can´t share certain things with you. It was that time in Playa Hermosa, when I told you I identified as intergendered. Nothing could have prepared me for your reaction. Everything you said hurt me a lot, it made me feel miserable, the worst piece of s*** in the world, and for something that doesn´t make me deserve that treatement. I wasn´t expecting to hear from you things my high school bullies used to tell me (yes, that was bullying, although back then it wasn´t called that, and nobody did anything to stop those kids).

    We never talked about it again, but that doesn´t mean I changed anything. I just got more and more distant from you and the rest of the family, as I never dared to share it even with my brother and sister. I did share it with a lot of people I met, and I got the great blessing that nobody else (except for a girl I was seeing with not a lot of future together) reacted that way. On the contrary, I got a lot of support and respect.

    During these years I questioned myself a lot about my gender identity and the very notion of gender, so different in different societies, and for a while I identified as agendered, not man nor woman, and I gradually modified the way I dressed and groomed myself, leaning towards and androgynous appearance. With time I felt closer and closer from the feminine gender, up to the point of being bothered if, per example, in a sacred circle dance workshop Natalia said "welcome (feminine plural form), and welcome (singular masculine form)". I did a lot of inner, spiritual search, trying to see why I was so botheres by that, and I felt there was a change close.

    Until last year, during the doula training, throgh that great connection with femininity, with maternity, that I had a lot of insights, and I was experimenting growing bigger changes, feeling better as the answers came. Just at the end of the training, I got an even bigger answer. That some day I want to be a mother. Yes, I am aware I can´t biologically, I mean the relationship. And that was what made me define that I am not intergendered, nor bigendered, nor agendered, and certainly not a man. I am a woman.

    Just over two months ago the right conditions came, I felt it was the right moment to start living as a woman. Except for a couple of people in the
    ***religion name***, I haven´t had a problem with anybody, just some people ocasionally misgender me, but that has more to do with ignorance than with anything else. The important is that I feel good. Very good. I feel myself.

    I am doing well. I´m not in prostitution (I don´t understand why I even need to say this). I don´t live in the street. I don´t have AIDS. I am not promiscuous. You should know that has nothing to do with being transgendered.
    I have friends, both men and women, in and out of
    ***religion name*** (more out of it, because I took some distance from it thanks to those two people that I did have a problem with, they unfortunately hold positions of authority even though everybody else thinks different, their loss). I don´t have a stable job because I don´t want to. I help in the inn with some cooking and reception, and every once in a while I make some food to sell and have money for some expenses.

    I didn´t get surgery. I don´t have the money and it´s not in my priorities now, although as soon as I can I will at least get electrolysis to remove the beard, that is what bothers me the most when I look at the mirror, I always have beard shadow even right after shaving. Despite that I take great care of my image.

    I´m not ready to visit in December. Depending on your reaction, I may be even less ready.
    At first I waited to tell you because of Dad´s surgery. Then the recovery... I was going to wait more, but I can´t hide it any longer, I don´t want to.

    I´m not a freak, I´m not crazy, I´m not deformed nor an aberration. You haven´t done anything wrong to cause this. You didn´t cause this. It has nothing to do with you. It´s just about me, about who I am. You were always great parents. Without you as models I would have kept burying this as I unconsciously did during all these years, under layer after layer of falseness, of lies to myself, suffering as much as I suffered for living according to the expectations others had.

    I hope you understand, you accept the fact that I am not your son but your daughter, and you can share with me my wellbeing and my happiness.

    I love you.
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