Is Sexual Orientation an Issue? (All Can Answer)

[Nicki B]

Just an observation I throw in, for comment - maybe particularly for MTFs, although you guys please feel free to shoot me down...


Many of us girls transition and stay attracted to girls, although it's by no means certain - it seems fewer start off attracted to men, but once you start taking hormones, you can never tell how you'll come out the other side.. Indeed once you start hormones, many girls seem to go through a phase when they'll jump virtually anything? (Even a broom... err....
)

So, given that a large number of girls end up still liking girls, surely it is no surprise that many of the FTMs here identify as gay?

I hope that seems obvious to you guys - but I wonder if it is for many of the girls here??




Of course there are still always those with an incurable leg fetish...

[Kieron Andrew]

Just an observation I throw in, for comment - maybe particularly for MTFs, although you guys please feel free to shoot me down...


Many of us girls transition and stay attracted to girls, although it's by no means certain - it seems fewer start off attracted to men, but once you start taking hormones, you can never tell how you'll come out the other side.. Indeed once you start hormones, many girls seem to go through a phase when they'll jump virtually anything? (Even a broom... err....
)

So, given that a large number of girls end up still liking girls, surely it is no surprise that many of the FTMs here identify as gay?

I hope that seems obvious to you guys - but I wonder if it is for many of the girls here??




Of course there are still always those with an incurable leg fetish...

Actually ive been wondering about this lately, as a few of the boys who have started to transition have expressed that they 'could' possibly go for someone that is outside the norm of their sexuality pre-transition...ie Trey has never had an inclination for GGs, but the more he become comfortable within himself the more he is open to the suggestion of it....Lex has also said he is now more open to suggestion within his sexuality too

I myself have NEVER been into GMs at all, but have wondered once i start on the road to Transition with hormones whether this will change or not, ive always preferred the sexiness of the female form, be that GG or TG....if its pleasing to the eye then i like it....men are too drab to me but maybe that will change....i wouldnt ever rule out FtMs...but at this point in time definitely not GMs

But you are right Nicki is seems a great proportion of FtMs like the boys, and those of us that like the girls is a minority, but then as 'she' i did the whole id as lesbian thing to hide the trans status

As for my incurable leg fetish! can you blame me for liking a well dressed pair of legs

[mylilsecret8]

Nice to meet you, Allie.


Yeah, I think you answered my question. So you see us as guys who were born female, right?
:

Capt Lex - Oh yes, I definately see you as guys...but as new and IMPROVED! I'm not very passable and it seems most people view me as a guy in a dress even if I have full makeup from the salon.

Nicki B - You described it perfect. I also am very attracted to the female form, so much I want to experience it too.

It does seem a lot of MTF are not into genetic males. For me, I never was in the past but a lot of times they are the only ones who pay me any attention and the attention does make me feel feminine so I think that has led to extra curricular activities. But I couldn't imagine ever falling in love with a genetic male.

I'm curious if anyone else is attracted to both ends of the spectrum like me? For example, I'm attracted to Genetic Females and FTM Transmen?

[CaptLex]

I'm curious if anyone else is attracted to both ends of the spectrum like me? For example, I'm attracted to Genetic Females and FTM Transmen?

Yeah, Allie, there's plenty of transguys who are into boys and girls and/or transboys and transgirls. For a lot of people, it's more important to have a connection to the person inside than the window dressing on the outside.

Nicki, it's been my experience that most transguys are attracted to women, but there's enough of us that are attracted to guys or both, or a combination, or even none of the above.

It's a common misconception that all transguys are into women exclusively, and that all transguys identified as lesbians at one time. It's true of many, but not all.

[Cheryl Ann]

I am not attracted to men but fantasize about being a woman with a man. Strange?

[CaptLex]

I am not attracted to men but fantasize about being a woman with a man. Strange?

Not strange in this place.

Take a seat, the nurse will call your number.

[Cai]

I'm curious if anyone else is attracted to both ends of the spectrum like me? For example, I'm attracted to Genetic Females and FTM Transmen?

Well, I'm sort of opposite, but the same thing. I've mostly been attracted to feminine (cis/trans) men (think Legolas from LOTR, etc). However, the occasional girl that gets me is usually very masculine (one friend that I've had a bit of a crush on is a genderfluid drag king, to give you an idea). So I definitely understand where you're coming from.

[Cheryl Ann]

Not strange in this place.

Take a seat, the nurse will call your number.

Thanks CaptLex!

[deja true]

I am not attracted to men but fantasize about being a woman with a man. Strange?

I acknowledge having this fantasy, CherylAnn. And if they are honest, so would virtually all MTF CDs no matter how much they protest to their SO's that that doesn't happen.

If we really want to experience femininity, then we also want the complete range of feminine experience. So the fantasy must come to the surface. For me, the clue to the honesty of the sexual attraction, though, is in the vision of the fantasy. When I close my eyes with this fantasy, there's never a recognizable face to the man. He's not anyone I know or have seen on the street or magazines. He's a sex object, pure and simple. I'm after the experience alone, not a personal relationship with a man. When I fantasize about women, there's always a face, usually someone I know.

I'm not attracted to GM's at all, no matter how Brad Pitt-ish or (who's that other guy?) Johnny Depp-ish they look or behave. But now you've got me thinking on it, I've come into contact with quite a few FTMs recently for the first time and something about their fierce and proud attitudes and knowing that they've travelled extensively on the 'gender mind map' somehow attracts me to them. Don't know if it's sexually or philosophically, though.

respect & love,

deja

Started reading this thread from the beginning yesterday, but it's so dense, I have to keep coming back to it. Thanks for starting it.

[Nicki B]

..no matter how Brad Pitt-ish or (who's that other guy?) Johnny Depp-ish

Now you've done it...

[CaptLex]

Now you've done it...

Haha, that's okay, Nicki. One less Johnny admirer works in my favor.

[deja true]

Haha, that's okay, Nicki. One less Johnny admirer works in my favor.

Ooops! Didn't mean to trash anybody's favorite fantasy bedmate. I wouldn't even think about getting serious with either of those two guys for a mill...well,um...er...


Anyway, what would they see in a hairy old bitch like me anyway!

deja


Back to topic, people!

[CaptLex]

Ooops! Didn't mean to trash anybody's favorite fantasy bedmate. I wouldn't even think about getting serious with either of those two guys for a mill...well,um...er...

Anyway, what would they see in a hairy old bitch like me anyway!

But if you run into him, you'll introduce me, right?

Back to topic, people!

Yes . . . or it's the brig for you.

[deja true]

Only if we can work a swap with Angelina or Johnny's chica! (And you get the kids!)


Mmmm..lips!



Now come on Lexie, back to the table and finish your dinner or mama's gonna spank!

[Nicki B]

Will you two get a cabin?

[CaptLex]

Now come on Lexie, back to the table and finish your dinner or mama's gonna spank!

Uh oh . . . somebody found the rum!

[Cheryl Ann]

I acknowledge having this fantasy, CherylAnn. And if they are honest, so would virtually all MTF CDs no matter how much they protest to their SO's that that doesn't happen. ...

I've come into contact with quite a few FTMs recently for the first time and something about their fierce and proud attitudes and knowing that they've travelled extensively on the 'gender mind map' somehow attracts me to them. Don't know if it's sexually or philosophically, though.

deja true, I also admit a strong attraction to FTMs.

[Leo Lane]

True, many men do love to see two women together. But the opposite is also true. Many, many women LOVE to see man on man action. Perhaps even more than the men who like lesbians. There's an entire industry of porn type materials featuring gay men that is geared specifically towards women.

That's quite correct, and very often overlooked. There are loads of women who love to write and read 'slash', which I think means man-on-man (fan)fiction. Because they're women it's more about reading and writing than about the visuals and more about romance than about sex.

[Valeria]

FWIW, I'm exclusively lesbian and so is my mate - and we both have issues with body hair, and prefer feminine women. But we do like to joke about "lesbianish" actors that we wouldn't kick out of bed - and Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom both make our top 5 list of "guys we'd play with, as long as they've waxed their chests and legs beforehand".

For that matter, I like some butch women, and I think a lot of drag kings are sexy. I think a lot of trans girls are sexy too.

On the other hand, drag queens do nothing for me, and I don't know any men in real life to whom I'm even remotely attracted. The only people I've ever met in normal life that actually turned me on were other women. Orlando Bloom is cute, but the person in the LOTR that I *really* like is Liv Tyler, and as nice as Johnny and Orlando are in the Pirates movies, I'm afraid they have to take a back seat to Keira Knightley. Antonio Banderas is welcome to come to our house to read poetry (or the phone book - I don't really care what he reads, I just want to hear his beautiful voice with that lovely accent) - but he has to keep his clothes on. So there are limits to my flexibility...

[Valeria]

I am not attracted to men but fantasize about being a woman with a man. Strange?

I acknowledge having this fantasy, CherylAnn. And if they are honest, so would virtually all MTF CDs no matter how much they protest to their SO's that that doesn't happen.

If we really want to experience femininity, then we also want the complete range of feminine experience.

As a lesbian woman, I'm not thrilled with the implication that a woman must have sex with a man to be complete.

I'm not attracted to GM's at all, no matter how Brad Pitt-ish or (who's that other guy?) Johnny Depp-ish they look or behave.

I'm almost the exact opposite - Brad Pitt is quite pretty, and Johnny Depp may be the sexiest man alive (he's quite cute in the Tom Petty music video he made when he was younger, too). But I'm not the least bit interested in sexually "being a woman with a man" with any man - not even in a fantasy, and not even if he's just some faceless abstract representation of a man.

[CaptLex]

Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom both make our top 5 list of "guys we'd play with

Noooooo . . . they're mine, all mine!!

as nice as Johnny and Orlando are in the Pirates movies, I'm afraid they have to take a back seat to Keira Knightley.

Nah honey, she's very pretty, but when the boys are on the screen, it's "Keira who?"

No contest then, you take Keira and I'll keep the boys.

[Tree GG]

Actually, this site can be fun. Where else could I bash males & hit two or more social groups at one time?

IMO, sexual orientatin in the MTF group is such a big deal because of the [SIZE="4"]M[/SIZE] in MTF. It occupies their thoughts way more than average.

[waspookie6]

I dunno Tree - the F I got slapped with from birth has been a struggle and it isn't just me.
As they say, birds of a feather...so the few female friends I have, we all have been and will be more 'male' oriented than female though we try to 'fit'. And of course our hormones fluctuate more often or maybe there hasn't been enough study on that for MtF? hmmmm

It has occupied my thoughts since I can remember. "Little girls don't do that" and such was so confusing for me. It still is. There are truly only a few years in my life I've felt "female", the rest, never ending pondering but life happens daily and so it goes. My 'sexual orientation' was lucky - the predominate years of sexuality was during the 80's when it was all the fad to dress the opposite sex and act like it, seemed no one gave much mind to it (at least not in LA anyway). Now I'm older and don't give much a flip because the ones that would care are too young for me anyway

[Leo Lane]

About the slash thing: I've just been watching the cast interviews on the Merchant Ivory DVD edition of Maurice (it's an excellent film about male homosexuality in Edwardian England, based on E. M. Forster's even better novel) and all three of the film's main actors apparently got loads of letters about it from Japanese girls. Rupert Graves says, no doubt correctly, that they "liked watching three pretty boys run around". Apparently that sort of thing is all the rage in Japan; schoolgirls read comic books about male homosexual love affairs.

[Andine]

Only read the first page so far , but wanted to say this.

At my age I have reached the attitude where I assess each individual I meet against some of my internal values, and as a result the frienship meter goes on or off. These values are ones to do with the old values of Honor , Truth, Worth ( not financial ), Intelligence is also atractive, as are a few other factors. It has nothing to do with colour, or sexual persuasion. I don't want to change people ... I want to enjoy the company and exchange views and frienship. If people have a problem with me ... it is their problem and not mine.
They just need a glass of Rum!

At the sydney Mardi gras I met a couple of gentlemen from Frankfurt and we have started conversing by Email. They are obviously very Gay, and I was Dressed at the restaurant. Their last email contained a group of photos of a well endowed and muscly young male .... for my enjoyment ..
.. I have returned a presentation of some stunning female bodybuilders! We will see where this goes!

Its good tongue in cheek stuff ..... The fact is I am comfortable with having gay friends and they seem comfortable with a CD friend.

Here we all are with the waitress who is straight. ( I think )
All good fun!