All the Olive Garden restaurants that I'm familiar withOriginally Posted by frenchie
have waitresses wearing mens white shirts, dark long ties
and pants...and nobody bats an eye...and yes, they still look
sexy and feminine. Oh Well...
All the Olive Garden restaurants that I'm familiar with
have waitresses wearing mens white shirts, dark long ties
and pants...and nobody bats an eye...and yes, they still look
sexy and feminine. Oh Well...
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That's why nobody bats an eye - 'cause they still look female and are still attractive to all those who are attracted to women. But if they didn't look "sexy and feminine", you can be sure they'd be harassed too.
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I disagree. A cute face is a cute face. A woman could wear a stack of bricks, and if she has as cute face nobody will care, though they might question her fashion sense.
What you are comparing is as if a man had to wear female attire to work, yet somehow managed to look handsome and masculine. People would stare for a bit but go about their business because they assume the man is probably psycholigically sound.
Whether a person is harrassed or not really depends on their demeanor and how they present themself and whether a second party feels threatened or mystified the person.
The last name is Warpetal.
That should have been your first clue.
No regrets.
WHEN YOU FIGHT YOU CAN LOSE
BUT WHEN YOU GIVE UP YOU'VE ALREADY LOST.
Isn't that primarily because of fear, whether or not that is reasonable?
Surely the difference is, these women are not trying to be men?
Last edited by Nicki B; 05-01-2008 at 08:21 PM.
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That's exactly my point. People don't think that they are "trying to be something they are not", just because they are wearing a suit-like uniform.Surely the difference is, these women are not trying to be men?
People have a problem with people "being things they aren't supposed to be". Best example I can think of is "wiggers", blanket term for white kids who "act black". Pretty much everyone who doesn't appreciate urban culture associates being a "wigger" as neolithic. They actually get more hate than we do.
The last name is Warpetal.
That should have been your first clue.
No regrets.
WHEN YOU FIGHT YOU CAN LOSE
BUT WHEN YOU GIVE UP YOU'VE ALREADY LOST.
I agree Ibuki
CDs wont progress so long as they are fixated on passing which at the end of the day is simply trying to deceive people that you are an actual GG. People don't like being deceived, they automatically assume the worst about the other person. It is a fun experience for us, but not for them. People feel scared and angry when they are uncertain of another person's intentions.
Passing may score maximum points on escapism, feeling the ultimate feminine feelings, and perfecting a project etc, but we lose sight on how a lay-person is going to interpret our behavior. Even if they are liberal and open-minded, they will still perceive us to be weird and different because this is not normal human behavior to deceive to this degree.
I was talking about females or female-bodied people who don't dress cute and sexy (cute face notwithstanding), and are harassed either mildly by friends, family and peers, or more violently by people who feel threatened (as you mentioned) because they want them to dress or present more feminine.
There are plenty of cute-as-a-button transguys and butch lesbians who go through incessant teasing and harassment because they won't just give in and please their parents, for example, because they won't wear a skirt or grow out their hair or wear makeup.
The demeanor doesn't guarantee anything, but I agree that it will happen if someone feels threatened (and/or revulsed).
But why is the rum gone?! - Capt. Jack Sparrow
Why is the rum always gone? - Capt. Jack Sparrow
Why is all but the rum gone? No, the rum's gone too . . .
[SIZE="3"]Lex on the Beach[/SIZE]. . . [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Joy Carter.........sound like you have a perfect case of "Sexual discrimination" that you could have brought against you company. Here in Dallas, TX the city passed anti-discrimination law that protect T-Girls in the work place and in public. If it were to happen to me, I would walk into the HR department and flat them them that I was going to file suit about it. I would see a scramble to prevent me from filing the suit. Most companies will bend over backwards not to be suied for "Sexual Harrasment" even if the company, ciry, or state does not cover T-Girls. Harrasment is illegal regaurdless of the content.
Not in Ohio. In fact after three years of being harassed at all levels, including by the department head. I went to HR and the head boss. Things got worse from there, even though I was promised something would be done. I was told that the whole thing was my fault in the first place. Maybe I ought to write a book.
I have read all of the posts in this thread and I think some of you may not be aware of whats going on.
The main reason is in my IMHO, you are not out in the greater community. Most of you need to attend an active group in your area, but especially attend many of the conferences such as Southern Comfort, Be All, IFGE and more. You will find that many organizations are active in the human rights movement. The progress that you have seen has been the result of a few and needs to be continued by the "many." When was the last time you talked to a legislater concerning your rights and beliefs? Probably never! When was the last time you attended a conference to find out how you can make a difference? Many voices DO create change and you all need to be heard.
So much for my "soap box" for today. The word is change is created by the many, not just a few. :2c:
kristine239.....Your so right. Reading about the Dallas Law, I found it took almost all the TG groups together here in Dallas to get the Mayor to agree to add protection for the TG. In fact it took almost to the dealine to get the law changed to add the protection for TG people.
My Tri-Ess chapter does out-reach. I hope to be able to help in this. They have held sminars for local police and Fire Departments, Colleges, and even High Schools. They even attended the Pride March and had a booth at the Pride Fest last year.
The problem is that most CDs cower in the closet. If you don't acknowledge and accept yourself, then how can you expect other folks to acknowledge and accept you. If you remain closeted, this will never change and progress will never be made.
You will become stronger in the ways of the Pink Fog. May the Pink Fog guide you and be with you now and forever.
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