What's the difference?

[visualdelight]

par for the course. Anything out of the ordinary creates fright for them. It's too bad.

[Bootsiegalore]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestism

Above is the link to the definition!

Tara

[tgirlinva]

I actually started a thread not so long ago asking what I was, whether TG, TV, TS, or CD. What I came to find out though is that I was a TG. But I think the most wrongly used term is "TS". A lot of people seem to think that "TS" means that you're full-time and that you have breasts, long natural hair, and perhaps are on HRT and have undergone SRS. I personally think TS and TG are as interchangeable as TV and CD are.

[Nicki B]

This thread proves that we all use these labels differently - which is why they so often cause offence.

Mind, if we can't even agree terms amongst ourselves, we can't really blame the rest of the world for not understanding us?



PS - it's rather dangerous to assume that what Wikipedia says is the truth? It's only ever the sum of people's opinions (sometimes very biased ones)..

[Emily Anderson]

With reference to Wikipedia...

Mein Gott!

I never realized I had violated heteronormative bounds. I should be spanked, like a naughty schoolgirl

Jahwohl!

[bobi jean]

all of the "research" (not really all that much) I have done would indicate that this is a crossdresser,just bobi 035 (Small).jpg
and this is a trasvestite.just bobi 034 (Small).jpg
can you see the differance.

[jaina]

Absolutly no difference, people just wanted a new word.

[MarciManseau]

all of the "research" (not really all that much) I have done would indicate that this is a crossdresser,just bobi 035 (Small).jpg
and this is a trasvestite.just bobi 034 (Small).jpg
can you see the differance.

I Knew it had something to do with plants :D

[MJ]

Where does this asshole live? I will bring along a few Marines and we'll see who's "tough." Glad you aren't his friend anymore, you don't need ignorant jerks like that in your life. Let him live in the dark. :Angry3:

I am so glad you all my friends :D

[Ressie]

It sounds like you left your door unlocked allowing your friend to let himself in. It's probable that you wanted to be discovered unconciously. Does this sound right?

TV and CD are the same as it's been explained by some of the posts so well.

[Julie York]

all of the "research" (not really all that much) I have done would indicate that this is a crossdresser,just bobi 035 (Small).jpg
and this is a trasvestite.just bobi 034 (Small).jpg
can you see the differance.

Oh ********. I just did the crossword now this.




(Ah..there's one button less on a transvestite!! HAH!)

[TSchapes]

I was home and he came over unexpectedly and let himself in as most people do.
But this time I was all dressed up!

Does this seem like a good way to break the news? Especially if he is a good friend? I posted on my blog how not to out yourself with a postcard like this:




I'll have to add this one to my list.

It's better to talk to someone first before hitting them full on. What did you expect? Talk to them first, ask them if they know what a crossdresser is. Do they know that most are heterosexual? Or just, what do you know about crossdressers? We need to be better ambassadors of our cause. Or we will continue to be in the closet.

:2c:

Tracy

[susancheerleader]

A TV is that box with the pictures and sound in your living room.

A CD is the shiney round plastic thing that you play in your stereo.

I'm a guy in a dress.

ROLMAO--- Thats great.

[susancheerleader]

It sounds like you left your door unlocked allowing your friend to let himself in. It's probable that you wanted to be discovered unconciously. Does this sound right?

I live in a small town. EVERYONE leaves thier door unlocked when they are home.
Most even leave it unlocked when they are not home. I've seen my neighbors with doors WIDE OPEN and they aren't home.

[Nicole Erin]

Another explanation -

"Transvestite" is also often a pr0n term for CD, like "she male" is the pr0n term for "transsexual".

[susancheerleader]

...like "she male" is the pr0n term for "transsexual".

Which to me is just as vulagar as being called a fagot.

I guess what bothers one person doen't bother the next.

This thread proves that we all use these labels differently - which is why they so often cause offence.

Mind, if we can't even agree terms amongst ourselves, we can't really blame the rest of the world for not understanding us? )

I couldn't agree more!

[Celeste]

Reacted with a look of horror,I think its funny,just think how he would have acted had you flashed him or something.Yea, Id mess with his head a bit,tell him you know a nice cd who thinks hes real sexy.

[Dalece]

May he was just upset you looked better in dress than he did

Labels are those who like an ordered society so let chaos reign

Your probably more man than he is well you know where. Stupid jock types anyway.

[JessieB]

Oh yeah about TV vs CD -
From what I understand, a TV is a straight guy who concentrates mostly on the smallest aspects of CD'ing like wearing undergarments but has no intention of presenting as woman, a purely sexual thing. CD's tend to want to present as women as much as we can.

So I guess it comes down to different levels. Who knows, this is just what I have always understood it to be...

Sorry, wrong answer.

I doubt he would say anything. That would put him in the spot of explaining how or why he was a (former) friend to a cross-dresser for 30+ years. He likes his "macho" image.

Of course you know the guy and we don't, but based on your description of his reaction, I would guess that you are about to be outed big time. Hope I'm wrong, but you might want to be thinking about damage control.

[Nicki B]

Sorry, wrong answer.

Perhaps, rather than just viewing our own individual definitions as the right ones, we could use this thread to progress things and agree on which ones to all use - or perhaps we need a poll..

[Daphne]

Ok I maybe wrong, and I'm sure someone will tell me. But the question I think you have to ask yourself Susan is this: Are you physicaly attracted to men or woman?
AS far as I'm concerned, that is what sepperates us from them.

[Emily Anderson]

Ok I maybe wrong, and I'm sure someone will tell me. But the question I think you have to ask yourself Susan is this: Are you physicaly attracted to men or woman?
AS far as I'm concerned, that is what sepperates us from them.

I'm not sure what the "us and them" is all about? As far as I'm concerned, whether you're TV/CD/TG/TS and others I may have missed, just about any combination of gender identity and sexual orientation is possible.

So long as we keep trying to plaster labels on everything that moves, especially amongst ourselves, we'll never achieve any recognition in the real world.

[Amy Hepker]

The old word and the new word are the only difference. I would contact him and tell him straight up I AM NOT A FAGOT!!! I AM NOT GAY!!! Yes, I am a crossdresser or transvestite, but I am not Gay!!!

Just let him know. I have a friend that I told one time and he also was a ruff and tuff guy, but since I told him he was cool about it and understood that I was not gay.

[Emily Anderson]

What's the issue with being gay? None as far as I'm concerned. Whether you are or not is irrelevant. As for faggot, it's just a derogative word.

Susan, I'm sure you know this. You can rise above name-calling and stupid behaviour. You may even find that with time, your "former friend" calms down and apologizes. He's obviously a macho guy and his ego was hurt to think that he'd been friends with you and didn't know this about you. He's probably also scared like hell (homophobic) that you may have fancied him.

[MarinaTwelve200]

Transvestite is the term from the medical establishment, and is defined by the american diagnostic manual (can't remember the right name at the moment) as having a 'fetish' involving wearing the clothes of the other gender; 'fetish' being used there in a medical sense meaning something that is necessary or virtually necessary for you in order to function sexually. But the diagnostic manual has very low standards for "diagnosing" transvestitism: if you Dress Up more than 3 times in your life, even if they have nothing to do with sexual situations, then you are so labeled.

Because the diagnostic manual is a disorder about fetishism, those for whom dressing is not a fetish (in the technical sense above) decided to create a more public-relations friendly term, and came up with "crossdresser". Crossdresser does not inherently imply fetishism. Sure lots of guys get a sexual thrill out of crossdressing, especially when they are relatively new to it, but if your dressing extends beyond sexualism, then most people around here would use the term crossdresser instead.

The Psychological definition of Transvestite I am familiar with Is that of a crossdresser who IS NOT Homosexual. Both straights and gays can and do CD, but a TV is a STRAIGHT guy who CDs

CD and TV are effectively the same term, TV being the more formal one., in less formal speech, we use TV to describe a more sexual turn-on "fetish" driven form of CD.

The fetish aspect of TV/CD however is more from the older days of the "single cause" approach to defining why straight guys want to dress as women--"They have a fetish for women's clothing". Nowadays, we know SEVERAL OTHER different reasons why guys CD,eg. "Identity escapisim", "Taboo tripping", "humiliation S/M", etc., besides Fetishes.

There is also CDing involved with "fem-sider" types, Bisexualisim, and different degrees of transsexualisim.

Many Therapists, However, especially those who dont specialize in gender related issues, usually adhere to the older literature--wherin a straight CD is a transvestite and THAT is due to "fetishisim"--and all other CDs are TS or gay.-----Indeed some Non-specialist thrapists think ALL CD is gay related. Ignorance abounds even amoung those who we think should know better---thats why its important to choose therapists carefully.

Indeed, ironically, its hard to figgure out WHY a gay guy, interested men and "manly things" would want to CD at all---but we have ALL seen it--a big mystery of life.

Bottom line TV has 3 definitions: TV=CD who is not TS or Gay. TV=a straight CD who has a fetishthat causes CDing, Or simply, TV=CD.(----this may vary on either side of the pond and in formal vs casual speech.)