Well said Bev, I feel validated now and by a GG, it doesn't get any better than that! However, it's seems to be a paradox to me (forgive the context change but I think the point is still relevant) You say, "... from a womans view point is a man who makes them feel safe and eliminates uncertainty from their lives." If that is indeed a woman's point of view that is, feeling unsafe and uncertain, then doesn't that infer the timidness many of us seem to display on this board is therefore a part of the feminine personna we strive to acheive? The second question is do other board members feel just as intimidated while in male mode, say at work with a female boss?