Crosdressing can be an irreconsilabe difference!

[Frédérique]

Heterosexual women are attracted to men! Is it really some big mystery? They are not internalizing homophobia! They are not closed minded! They are attracted to men!

[SIZE="2"]Yes, women who are attracted to men tend to be heterosexual!

Since MtF crossdressers are placed, for convenience, alongside homosexuals, is it any wonder that hetero females have a problem with the idea of crossdressing? Explaining yourself gets tiresome after a while, and few have the patience, compassion, or understanding to accept such a situation…[/SIZE]

Women do not sign up for this!

[SIZE="2"]If you happen to be married, I think there’s something called “vows,” and the words love, honor, and cherish therein may be equivalent to a signature, if that's how you worded it…[/SIZE]

[DaphneGrey]

Quote Originally Posted by DaphneGrey View Post
Heterosexual women are attracted to men! Is it really some big mystery? They are not internalizing homophobia! They are not closed minded! They are attracted to men!

Hmmm, generalizing here. I am in the Japenese visual Kei scene, and the Goth scene, and I KNOW this statement is patently untrue. There are hetero sexual women that like their men to appear feminine, and still be men. ( they are extremely rare, but I long to find one). This is the big mistake many here make. They are also falling into the trap of the thought process, "If the man puts on women's clothing and looks like a woman, then he must want to be a woman" This is exactly the same kind of thinking men had when women started to wear pants. This kinda of thought process is prevelant in many religions that forbid women from wearing pants.

It simply is not true in all cases. I have said many times, if it was not for the limitations imposed on men when it came to syle I would most likely never gotten into the full fem look. I would have just worn what I want, without changing my body shape with tucking, and breastforms. I am just me when I am in my clothing, I don't ACT feminine. I may move more feminine though...okay so?

By the way Shaved legs, not inharently feminine, it was started by the Roman Soldiers. Long hair, um...tell a scottman, or Viking, or Royal knight of old, his hair is too long. LOL

How very true Pythos! I understand exactly what you are saying and you are very correct. I just want to point out that as you have mentioned many times a man dressed in feminine attire who is still presenting male, like yourself is not at all the same thing as a MTF crossdresser or TG, or another woman. SO I think you might have miss understood what I was trying to say.

I appreciate your point of view and totally support fashion freedom as you describe it. Back in the 80s when I was in the metal scene it was hard to get a girl to notice me if I wasn't wearing makeup or had my hair teased to within an inch of its life. I wasn't Daphne back then so the women I dated took me as is, A guy who wears makeup and has long hair etc...

"Heterosexual Women are Attracted to men" was my statement. It is not in anyway untrue and quite frankly not even a generalization.

Indeed there are many women who like men who push gender lines and remain men.

[Sarah Jane]

[SIZE="2"]If you happen to be married, I think there’s something called “vows,” and the words love, honor, and cherish therein may be equivalent to a signature, if that's how you worded it…[/SIZE]

Usually those vows are exchanged between a man and a woman though - and in good faith that your future husband/wife doesn't have some major secret you know nothing about.

I have a lot of respect for any woman who decides to stay and work things out with her crossdressing partner. I'm not sure I could do the same if I were married to a woman who wanted to get a beard, male parts and real male clothing, especially not if it's not yet certain whether this might actually become permanent.

[Sara Jessica]

Quote Originally Posted by DaphneGrey "Heterosexual women are attracted to men! Is it really some big mystery? They are not internalizing homophobia! They are not closed minded! They are attracted to men!"

Hmmm, generalizing here. I am in the Japenese visual Kei scene, and the Goth scene, and I KNOW this statement is patently untrue. There are hetero sexual women that like their men to appear feminine, and still be men. ( they are extremely rare, but I long to find one).

OK, I hopped on board in support of this comment. In looking back, yes, there are exceptions to pretty much any statement or scenario. But really, I think it's fair to say that 95% (give or take your percentage, I'm simply making a point) of women who consider themselves to be heterosexual are attracted to what is considered to be the traditional male. This includes an attraction to men who display feminine features (think the Orlando Bloom type) and/or have a more feminine manner about them emotionally. Some women are attracted to the man's man, more rugged in appearance. Regardless, these are men they are attracted to and putting any of them in feminine clothing could easily be a deal-breaker. The scenes you identfy are outliers when compared to the general population.

By the way Shaved legs, not inharently feminine, it was started by the Roman Soldiers. Long hair, um...tell a scottman, or Viking, or Royal knight of old, his hair is too long. LOL

Well there aren't too many Roman soldiers, traditional Scots, Vikings or knights where I work (or anywhere else in my daily travels) so my daily presentation is in fact an outlier as well, something not demonstrated by most traditional males out there. And if a woman is attracted to a traditional male image, let's just say this woman is my wife, then it stands to reason that crossing these lines creates issues, simple as that. I do not fault her for feeling this way, it's simply what she is attracted to.

[Marissa]

As of 4pm yesterday Texas, US time, Daphne validated that my post was right on track as to what she was asking...Kimberly came on later and further validated and commented on the OP. We have discussed a lot as to why an SO does not always accept, etc, but that is not what the question is asking..and I would really like to know the answers or reasons:

Why does a cd/ts react in a mean or silly manner when the SO (or someone important to them) makes the discovery and does not accept it?????

I have seen the posts as have many of you..so why? Again, we are not talking about the reaction of the SO, its the reaction of the cd/ts.

Marissa

[Kathi Lake]

Daphne, thanks for clearing your original post up. At first, it seemed that you were saying our spouses' reactions to our dressing were mean or silly. That's what caught me off-guard. Now I understand and agree much more with what you've written.



Kathi