Why do you call yourselves GGs and GMs

[Shananigans]

I have GG on my profile to show that non-TGs also are showing support to the community and also so that I can respond defensively to stupid threads (like the ones that are showing up more and more lately) that put today's "genetic women" in a negative light. You'd be surprised to know how many on this site are sexist. I'm proud of the way I was born and see nothing wrong with saying that I was born female. If you see something wrong with it, then I cannot help you.

[Byanca]

Thanks for all your replies. That was interesting. Personally I don't use these, so wanted to hear from those who did,

Shananigans-oh yes I know.
Saying you are female is not the same as saying you are genetic girl. Genetic is a strong word. And there are just two genetic labels, girl and male. I feel like the CD, TS, TG labels are different and not in the same league. They don't have the genetic variant. Maybe they should all be updated with genetic first, to make it fair?

[Shananigans]

Thanks for all your replies. That was interesting. Personally I don't use these, so wanted to hear from those who did,

Shananigans-oh yes I know.
Saying you are female is not the same as saying you are genetic girl. Genetic is a strong word. And there are just two genetic labels, girl and male. I feel like the CD, TS, TG labels are different and not in the same league. They don't have the genetic variant. Maybe they should all be updated with genetic first, to make it fair?

GG as in "I am a female and I am not TG, but I am on the website to offer support."

Genes are genes are genes. No one is putting their chromosomes on their profile, no. But, unless you have a genetic disorder, you were born with a very black and white "male or female code." That "simple" code does not exemplify your internal thought process or gender identity. It just says, "This is the genetic card I have been dealt." If you have a problem identifying as a GM or a GG BECAUSE you are TG, then you don't have to put it on your profile.

But, that doesn't mean that you have to push your TG beliefs about the terminology onto others who are not bothered by what sex they were dealt.

I personally am not TG. I was born with external female anatomy. I have GG on my profile for the above stated reasons. My SO (for example) is under the TG umbrella, but he has no qualms identifying as GM and so he joined that private section.

It's a personal preference. If you don't like it, don't put it on your profile or join things like FAB or GM. If you like the complexity of the genetic card that you have been dealt and the fact that you may identify internally as something completely different, put it on your profile and join those forums.

At the end of the day, you could be lying about what card you have been dealt. But, that wouldn't surprise me any more than other things that people lie about on the internet.

And, yes, btw, I DID have to be phoned and had to pass a voice test to join FAB (just to make sure I was actually a GG). Not because it's an exclusive club or anything, but because it's a different support area of the forum and women who are dating CDs who want to ask questions or voice concerns that they may not want their SO to see (maybe he'll worry about it) can do so without fear that someone joined up just to spy on what they are asking on there. So, the FAB section isn't the same as putting GG on your profile, but I see these as interchangeable terms to be quite honest.

[Elle1946]

Sandra I thank you for your information.

[Momarie]

So for you ****tards that are soooooo confused:

How about I HAVE A REAL LIVE~LIVING VAGINA WITH A CERVIX and I HAVE like ovaries AND I BLEED, AS IN BLOODY, BLOODY PAINFUL CLOTS/CRAMPS EVERY MONTH AND I MOST LIKELY WILL RUIN every SAID PRETTY, PRETTY PANTIES that now, NO amount of scrubbing with any cold water or solution can ever rescue (let alone my lovely sheets!)
Or I CAN HAVE A BABY THROUGH MY CERVIX THROUGH MY VAGINIA INTO SAID DOCTORS HANDS and only if I need to I CAN DELIVER MY BABY THROUGH AN INCISION INTO MY TUMMY into said Doctors hands.
So, what part of GG do you not understand?
I cannot wait to enlighten you.

[Fab Karen]

Sometimes I'm baffled by people here mentioning affiliation with General Motors.

[Rianna Humble]

I CAN HAVE A BABY THROUGH MY CERVIX THROUGH MY VAGINIA INTO SAID DOCTORS HANDS and only if I need to I CAN DELIVER MY BABY THROUGH AN INCISION INTO MY TUMMY into said Doctors hands.

Unfortunately, although that can be an attribute of being a GG, it cannot be used to differentiate with 100% reliability. There are too many GG's who for any number of reasons are unable to bear children but that does not make them any less of a Female At Birth despite what their depression might tell them.

BTW, I am not deaf.

[Byanca]

Unfortunately, although that can be an attribute of being a GG, it cannot be used to differentiate with 100% reliability. There are too many GG's who for any number of reasons are unable to bear children but that does not make them any less of a Female At Birth despite what their depression might tell them.

BTW, I am not deaf.

How I read that was that it was the shared experience of giving childbirth that defines genetic girl. And those who have the posibility through the shared experience of menstruation .

So if you have amenorrhoea, it seems you are not GG.

Well. Okay. What about the genetic male, what are the qualifications? The discussion is a little unbalanced with to much attention on GG. I feel the genetic males have been a bit forgotten in this.

Any GMs around?

[Steph.TS]

I actually did have my chromosomes tested, because a doctor saw characteristics in my body that would indicate XXY but apparently I'm XY, chromosome wise I'm just a regular man, how then is it I want to become a woman?

[Shananigans]

AND I BLEED, AS IN BLOODY, BLOODY PAINFUL CLOTS/CRAMPS EVERY MONTH AND I MOST LIKELY WILL RUIN every SAID PRETTY, PRETTY PANTIES that now, NO amount of scrubbing with any cold water or solution can ever rescue (let alone my lovely sheets!)

Try hydrogen peroxide on the stain and then cover the stain with salt. (The salt will turn red when it is ready to wash). It usually works like a charm for me. You risk that it takes the color out of some fabrics, but how much uglier is a hydrogen peroxide stain than a period stain, you know?

JenCD, I had to work in a lab above a genetic-testing clinic. It's a good thing you don't have Klinefelter's Syndrome. Believe me those MEN are usually very unhappy to have the characteristics that they were born with and do NOT want to become a woman. They also do not want to have trouble with language skills (often requiring special schooling to help with language development), they do not want to be infertile, and they do not want to be at risk for breast cancer and osteoporosis. Of course, these symptoms vary with the individual but in general I see unhappy patients that want more out of life and not people with gender dysphoria.